Abortion is a Satanic Sacrifice

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zackin said:
Since youve almost metioned a resume…i said i had references. I didn’t say id provide them
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References and resumes are clearly not the same thing. Why bother mentioning the references at all if you were unable - or in this case, unwilling - to provide them? That seems quite odd.

Another thing I was thinking about - this would be easy for your spiritual director to verify on your behalf, an impartial third party - would be to ask for your W-4 and or tax return which would, at minimum, verify you worked at this mall kiosk when you had your “come to Jesus moment”, as the protestants say.

These are simple things that could easily alleviate peoples doubts and apprehensions. These are not attacks, as you claim. They are reasonable expectations.
 
Imryl said:
Another thing I was thinking about - this would be easy for your spiritual director to verify on your behalf, an impartial third party - would be to ask for your W-4 and or tax return which would, at minimum, verify you worked at this mall kiosk when you had your “come to Jesus moment”, as the protestants say.

These are simple things that could easily alleviate peoples doubts and apprehensions. These are not attacks, as you claim. They are reasonable expectations.
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Does anyone other than you, think it’s such utmost importance that you personally review his credentials and report the results to this thread?

I’m pretty sure I’m not among them. At this point it matter zip whether you have accepted Zack into your circle or whatever this is about.

Just my personal opinion …

Alan
 
Venerable Fulton Sheen once gave an excellent talk on the Diabolic. You can watch it here: youtube.com/watch?v=7z3-F71abro

I will just summarize some of his points:

He talks about the Devil from the Psychiatric and from the Biblical perspectives.

From the Psychiatric perspective he cites Rollo May who analyzes the word “Diabolic.” The word Diabolic comes from the Greek “diabolos” and literally means “to tear apart” (dia-bollein). Anything, therefore, that breaks pattern, that destroys unity, that corrupts gestalt, produces discord - that is the diabolic. Rollo May analyzes the way in which the diabolic works. And he mentions three things: 1. Love of nudity, 2. Violence/Aggressiveness, 3. Split Personalities/No Inner Peace/Disjointed Minds.

From the Biblical Perspective, Sheen recalls the story of the Gerasene demoniac from the Gospels. Sheen recounts how Jesus went across the lake to land of the Gerasenes and there he found a man possessed by the devil. The Gospel mentions three characteristics of this young man. First, he was nude. Second, he was violent and aggressive - they could not even keep him in chains. And thirdly, his mind was split. Our Lord said to him, “What is your name?” The possessed man replied, “My name is Legion, for we are many.” Now, in the time of Jesus, a Legion was 6000 men in the Roman army. The man’s mind and personality was no longer unified.

Fulton Sheen notes that at the most basic level, the diabolic disrupts. And whenever you have a great manifestation of the Holy Spirit you always get the Devil working. When for instance Moses in the OT worked miracles against Pharoh, Pharoh’s agents simulated a few miracles. When the Holy Spirit came upon the early Church at Pentacost, there was the persecution of Saint Stephen. There was the outpouring and blessing of the Holy Spirit at Vatican II and immediately we had a manifestation of the evil spirit. Etc.
 
Imryl said:
Erine, what makes you think Satan lacks sincerity or earnestness? Why do you think the possession of these attributes sets Satan up as equal and opposite of God?

Also the only people who have asserted that it is less harmful because those involved are dabblers, the kids who do it for theatrical reasons, or the lonely, or disorganized, is Zach and the people who want to believe him.

The reality is that this is the state of affairs, only those subscribing to this much more sensational testimony seem to think a more mundane account is less harmful. On the contrary, it is quite serious and harmful, as all sin is. It is perhaps more serious and harmful than any other sin since it is a breach of the very first commandment… it directly attacks our relationship with the all-good and all-loving Creator.
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You are misunderstanding what I wrote.

The devil is earnestly evil but doesn’t encourage people to behave in a sincere way. And Satan can’t be earnest and true the way God is. Good and evil are not just opposing forces like hot and cold; they also have objective values (one is good one is evil) that never change. Therefore by definition to be earnestly and sincerely evil cannot ever be the same as (or a mirror image of) being earnestly and sincerely good. Good is simply greater, evil a false mimicry of good. So while Satan is earnestly evil, there can be no satanic equivalent to a saint only in the sense of sincerity and true devotion. So even the most evil and serious satanist is also glorifying himself and cannot have earnest devotion the way a saint would to God. The main reason for that is that devotion requires the free submission of self in a loving communion. That is not possible with Satan although unwilling slavery and abuse is possible.

I believe also Satan wants people to think he is as powerful as God just working for the opposite side. This is a lie, of course.

As for harm from dabbling–depends on what we are talking about. Those who unknowingly dabble may not be guilty of serious sin since they lack knowledge and consent. But spirits can still come. Still, my point is not about dabblers in particular but about Satan convincing everyone it’s all a joke or ironic or edgy; proof of one’s own sophistication. You are missing this larger point which my examples are serving to illustrate, not meant to be topics in themselves.

I don’t see any sensationalism here. I know you believe SRA never happened which is definitely not true. I do see a lot of people who can’t handle the truth which is understandable. But it doesn’t change facts. Also last time I checked, Jesus actually told us to fear him who could kill the soul. He didn’t say to stop worrying so much about the devil and be reasonable. So I err on the side of being vigilant.
 
Imryl said:
You’ll have to get to the point I’m afraid.

Just because the possibility exists that someone, a high level law enforcement official or unemployed homeless man, could be involved in something as egregious as pedophila doesn’t mean we believe the accuser without some evidence. It doesn’t have to be DNA evidence of course, but times, dates and opportunity all have to be verified.

I’m still waiting for the names Zach said he could provide. I should also add I’m willing to eat crow if I’ve misjudged you too. I’ve no problem admitting when I’m wrong.
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could you answer the question ive asked please? post #198.

then we can see where we can go from your reply.

a straight yes or will be suffice.
 
Imryl said:
References and resumes are clearly not the same thing. Why bother mentioning the references at all if you were unable - or in this case, unwilling - to provide them? That seems quite odd.

Another thing I was thinking about - this would be easy for your spiritual director to verify on your behalf, an impartial third party - would be to ask for your W-4 and or tax return which would, at minimum, verify you worked at this mall kiosk when you had your “come to Jesus moment”, as the protestants say.

These are simple things that could easily alleviate peoples doubts and apprehensions. These are not attacks, as you claim. They are reasonable expectations.
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My W4 tax return is a “Reasonable Expectation”? My private confessor is your business why exactly? I think you’ve crossed a line trying to invade my privacy.
My ministry is very transparent. I openly confess to everything ive done. I tell places ive worked. I name the business and tell what city and state it was in when the woman gave me the Miraculous Medal . Nothing of what i say glorifies me. Everything is told to glorify God. God’s awesome forgiveness, God’s Divine Mercy. How that God can take a broken vessel and still use it to draw more to Him. How powerful the Blessed Mother is. How satan like to think of himself as all powerful but the Our Lady was able to draw me straight to her.
I get that you have a personal vendetta against me ,(i think everyone in here gets it) but that doesn’t allow you to keep harassing me. This thread was supposed to draw peoples attention to ABORTION BEING A SATANIC SACRIFICE. But you have made the thread to be about me and the personal information i refuse to give you. If you don’t like the thread or the topic , leave. If i offend you in some way (satan is offended by me too) go find a thread you like better. Stop trying to throw red herrings out here. Look at the name of the thread. Abortion Is A Satanic Sacrifice doesn’t sound or read anything like Can Imryl Get Zachary King To Provide His W-4 Tax Return, Private Confessor, and Whatever other Private Information I can Get Out Of Him. Maybe Im wrong. Maybe to you they look exactly the same.
Satan being the liar he is…how do you know you weren’t lied to? How do you know there’s not a world wide conspiracy of satanists, how do you know there’s not an Illuminati and other secret societies working with satanists around the world, how do you know satan’s not rich, how do you know Abortion’s not a satanic sacrifice? These are things I know and I was only a satanist for 1 year longer than you. How is it you don’t KNOW all this to be true?
Peace through Christ
zac
 
erine said:
You are misunderstanding what I wrote.
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I did not misunderstand what you wrote Erine. You weren’t clear. That’s ok of course, it takes time to learn how to articulate thoughts and ideas to each other.
And Satan can’t be earnest and true the way God is.
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This is obvious to the both of us Erine, since everything exists in God perfectly. Now, if you’d really like to have this conversation. You’ll have to make a new thread, and I would happily participate. It’s a good conversation to have and I’m sure we could hash some of the terminology and distinctions out so that we could have a more fruitful conversation.

Again, I’m happy to do so. Just not on this thread, since this doesn’t really have much to do with Zach specifically.
doormouse73 said:
could you answer the question ive asked please? post #198.
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I answered your question very clearly and very concisely. If, from my above quoted answer, you do not know where I stand, then there’s very little I can do for you.
 
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could you answer the question ive asked please? post #198.

Imryl

I answered your question very clearly and very concisely. If, from my above quoted answer, you do not know where I stand, then there’s very little I can do for you.

you put in the post sixty three words,not one was a yes or no.

now would it be asking to much for you to choose one of the two words,yes or no?

then we can move on…its not a not a catch question,just a simple honest answer will do.
 
zackin said:
My W4 tax return is a “Reasonable Expectation”? My private confessor is your business why exactly? I think you’ve crossed a line trying to invade my privacy.
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Zack, my dear boy, what do you think happens in the Catholic church when extraordinary claims are made? I am not asking for your personal information. I’m suggesting to you ways you might mitigate the overwhelming skepticism you have, and will continue to encounter without proper documentation. These are things you should submit to the church, or your spiritual director who can then submit them on your behalf. (I might add that spiritual direction is NOT confession, although your confessor might also be your spiritual director.)

These things are very easy to do; old pay stubs, W-4’s, tax returns, old bills archived by the credit card companies, and since you flew all over the world as a Satanist, I’m sure you collected quite a bit of frequent flier miles. These in addition to the references you have would be sufficient to convince people, myself included, that at least part of your story is true.

(Just so this is clear though, since you seem to only read only portions of my posts)
You should submit them through the proper channels so that when someone calls into question your claims, you’ll have these things called -references-.

But one wonders if this was so verifiable, why you have not been charged with practicing medicine without a license… Among some other very serious charges who’s statutes of limitations are not likely expired as of yet.
My ministry is very transparent.
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As transparent as mud, since any request for proof from you by others is rebuffed.
I openly confess to everything ive done. I tell places ive worked. I name the business and tell what city and state it was in when the woman gave me the Miraculous Medal.
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Yes well I could claim to have worked for the Vatican and be the spiritual director of the Pope, but what good is that if I can’t produce any evidence? Extraordinary claims require verification.
Nothing of what i say glorifies me. Everything is told to glorify God.
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The very first time you came here, I commented because everything you said started with yourself. How lucky you were, how you fought off the devil, and only when I brought it up, did you mention God’s help at all.
I get that you have a personal vendetta against me ,(i think everyone in here gets it) but that doesn’t allow you to keep harassing me
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I’ve got no personal vendetta. I’ve been very courteous, if a little short. Please stop attempting to deflect these very simple and direct questions with accusations that I’m out to get you.
But you have made the thread to be about me and the personal information i refuse to give you.
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Please quote for me where I’ve asked for your personal information. You offered up that you had 6 references. Why mention that you have them at all if you had no intention of supplying them to those who inquired? That’s what references are after all… they are contacts to be used to verify someone’s testimony and personal integrity. I’ve also suggested that you submit this information to a third impartial party - such as your spiritual director. Again, I’ve asked for nothing from you.

I don’t need any of your personal information because you have placed it all in the public domain on the websites with whom you are affiliated. So why, again, would I need to ask you here on CAF for your personal contact information? I don’t, you’re just making baseless accusations again.

This is the sort of thing that happens when someone can’t pony up because they’ve been caught doing something they’re not supposed to do. They deflect and attack.
These are things I know and I was only a satanist for 1 year longer than you. How is it you don’t KNOW all this to be true?
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As Father Mitch Pacwa says, “Show me the data.” The onus is on you because you are making the positive claim that this exists and you have been part of it.
 
doormouse73 said:
you put in the post sixty three words,not one was a yes or no.

now would it be asking to much for you to choose one of the two words,yes or no?

then we can move on…its not a not a catch question,just a simple honest answer will do.
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You can either get to the point or I simply won’t respond to you anymore. It’s that simple.
 
By the way, I’m outta here until Tuesday. So you can have some relief.

See ya then!
 
Abortion is a Satanic Sacrifice.

that is the topic heading isnt it?

and you are saying it isnt,right?

well lets look at it this way then,the total opposite…

Abortion is a sacrifice for God.

now how stupid is that for a thought or reality???

but there is reality for the title for this thread on its heading…

now,you do not show your religion on your profile/you dont like what an ex satanist is saying. he has seen and knows that is going on/you attack him personally(in my eyes)/hijack the thread from its main story.i could go on and on really.but i think everybody can see what you are doing.you say you are a ex satanist yourself?please forgive me if im wrong saying that if you were not,but you sound as though you are defending satanism with what you are saying and doing to this thread.

now the question i asked you could you give me a yes or a no please…
 
Abortion Is A Satanic Sacrifice

Is anyone still interested in the subject of the thread?
 
This is a forum on the internet. We are not in a court of law. Each witness is not cross examined and testimony is largely taken at face value. Readers of this thread understand that information on the internet is not always verifiable and take the dubious nature of internet forums into account.

I have never seen anyone grilled for verification on a forum like the OP.

I wonder what the motive is? :confused:
 
zackin said:
Abortion Is A Satanic Sacrifice

Is anyone still interested in the subject of the thread?
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I’ll bite.

As a Christian, I know that I can offer my own suffering, good works, and my life to the Lord. I also know that I cannot offer the suffering of another person. Each of us has a free will and if a person does not offer his own sufferings, I cannot do it for him.

Before Christ gave us the perfect sacrifice to offer, old testament folks offered something that they owned to God as a sacrifice. They did not borrow a neighbor’s lamb, bring it to the temple and then sacrifice it. We cannot sacrifice that which we don’t have.

What are these Satanists thinking?
 
MtnDwellar said:
I’ll bite.

As a Christian, I know that I can offer my own suffering, good works, and my life to the Lord. I also know that I cannot offer the suffering of another person. Each of us has a free will and if a person does not offer his own sufferings, I cannot do it for him.

Before Christ gave us the perfect sacrifice to offer, old testament folks offered something that they owned to God as a sacrifice. They did not borrow a neighbor’s lamb, bring it to the temple and then sacrifice it. We cannot sacrifice that which we don’t have.

What are these Satanists thinking?
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To truly become a satnist or to attract satan there must be a blood sacrifice. This is one way to become a satanist without making the blood sacrifice yourself. Perhaps the satanist lives somewhere it would be too difficult to kill a small animal or anything else for that matter. But a dedication spell, such as dedicating abortions to satan would be your blood sacrifice.

Plus satanists believe he will “bless” them with what they want , generally power but sometimes money, possessions or sex. they also know to get what they want they have to give satan something he wants. He wants destruction of innocents and he needs a blood sacrifice. He wants something that will slap God in the face and what better way then with an abortion?

Have you followed the whole thread? Have you seen the videos ive posted in the past? If not i’ll re post them for you to watch at your convenience. Thank you for your interest in this thread

zac
 
Imryl said:
You can either get to the point or I simply won’t respond to you anymore. It’s that simple.
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If it’s that simple, then please consider me, too, as never having gotten to the point. 😉

Alan
 
MtnDwellar said:
This is a forum on the internet. We are not in a court of law. Each witness is not cross examined and testimony is largely taken at face value. Readers of this thread understand that information on the internet is not always verifiable and take the dubious nature of internet forums into account.

I have never seen anyone grilled for verification on a forum like the OP.

I wonder what the motive is? :confused:
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First, I have zero doubt that these rituals take place as the OP has stated. Between the videos he posted and the testimony offered in this thread, it is extremely remote chance he is putting us on. And if so, to what end? And regardless of to what end, what is the effect of being warned against something that does happen, even if not as organized.

Now if I were working for satan, with no specific formal experience but lots of impish times of my life I’ve done “some stuff,” I would think the way to do it is to dissociate evil from satan any way possible. For example, I would try to convince people that these rituals don’t take place, or if they do it’s on an ad hoc basis somewhere on the other side of the planet. I would convince people that abortion is wrong because the Church says it’s so, and turn the conversation against satan getting pleasure from it. Because if satan gets pleasure from it, then his followers will automatically be led to do the evil. But to recruit new workers for satan, we have to turn them against the Church once and for all, and one way I can think of is to paint the Church as hopelessly hysterical over the evils of abortion. It’s not satanic, it’s just a controversial issues. Yes, it’s a sin, but nothing special to get dramatic and excited about. You know, kind of like missing Mass. Who even goes to confession anyway for missing Mass?

Next I think I might try to discourage those who have been involved in abortion from confessing it. I might tell them, “don’t you know they will excommunicate you if they find out what you’ve done?” Again, we need to make the Church the bad guy, so people can go to where they are made to feel comfortable with their choices. Come to satan, who will treat you kindly and not the Church who will judge you.

In summary, I think satan could be well served by discrediting the OP, and making it seem as if Catholics are just making up wild fantasies about how horrible abortion is, rather than discuss abortion with “cooler heads,” and of course we know who that would be.

Alan
 
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