Abortion is a Satanic Sacrifice

[Imryl]

I’m still waiting for the contact name and number’s. You can send them privately by clicking on my name.

I really don’t mind doing the leg work. Feel free to just send me the names and I will contact them through the archdiocese with which they are associated and approved.

 

[doormouse73]

Imryl

if i may,could i ask you this question please…

do you think that peodphillia exists within the high ranking police officers and court room judges in the UK?

This is leading to the topic of the OP. im not rambling or going off topic…bare with me please…

edit…for missing out a word.sorry.

 

[Aurora_Maria]

How would you prove to non-Catholics that if they weigh the testimony of others carefully, like scientists and doctors who have encountered strange phenomenon, they would accept that miraculous phenomenon exists? You tell them that the Church does verification, and they claim the Church is unreliable. You give them names of people who testify to it, and they insist that these people are frauds because something miraculous will be well known. You tell them that people do not get air time because most people would not believe them, and they want scientific proof.

How do you know that this is not sensationalism? youtube.com/watch?v=qbg_dhI4XCs

Do you think that skeptics will ever accept this, even if scientific proof was given? Or would they try to find ways to hold their position of disbelief? wdtprs.com/blog/2009/10/possible-eucharistic-miracle-in-poland/

Thank you for sharing these wonderful links!

God bless you

 

[erine]

I don’t want to sound mean, and it is not my intention, but as I read what Zachary King has wrote, I can’t help but to think that he is mentally unstable. It is similar to the kind of thing that you read from those poorly-formatted conspiracy theory websites written about UFOs, the Illuminati and the Freemasons society; this one just happens to be about the “church of Satan.” You can always recognize these types as soon as they start talking. I don’t know about you all but I have a really hard time believing that there is a literal Satanic high priest who is actively dedicating aborted babies to Satan. It seems a bit much.

In the words of Flannery O’Connor, “The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it.”

This is just a general saying for skeptics to remember. I have survived very disturbing things in my life and my experience is that people simply go into denial if they can’t handle how it affects their understanding of reality. But this doesn’t change the truth. It does mean we all must have great faith and trust in the Lord, even if we know great evils do occur.
Calling people who have survived great trials mentally unstable is hurtful although I can completely understand why many would say it. But it is a way of not helping the person in need and abdicating responsibility. Adding insult to injury.
Sorry to pick on you in particular; this is really meant as my general response to all skeptics and your post just summarized it.

 

[erine]

Like back in the 80’s when there was all the press about “Satanic Ritual Abuse”, or whatever it was called.

I don’t have proof, and I’m not interested in a debate, but for the sake of anyone reading this I’m stating for the record that if you think satanic ritual abuse was made up you are wrong. Take this information for what you will.

 

[erine]

Not sure about Zach, no reason not to believe him. Vincent Crowley had trouble with the police some years back at his band’s “live ritual” where apparently something highly ilegal,oh about the lines of human sacrifice, was about to take place. And Vincent Crowley is apart of the more sensationalistic and selfist type of satanism, yet they still perform rituals and sacrifice.

I want to piggyback on this point…I am in no ways an expert though I’ve survived bad stuff, so I have a theory. Isn’t it possible that satanists can be doing great evils, rituals etc but seem ironic or tongue in cheek about it because evil itself and Satan both lack sincerity and earnestness? So while devout Catholics might be God-fearing and deadly earnest, it would be a mistake to expect true satanists to act the same towards Satan, especially publicly. That would suggest satan is just the opposite of God, the evil mirror or alternative, when in fact he is a vastly inferior creature than Almighty God (yet still more powerful than us, hence our need for protection.)
Satan doesn’t encourage sincere devotion of any sort, he would prefer people to glorify themselves and think it’s all a big fun harmless radical rock n roll party, and if somebody gets murdered its all just part of the show, it was all just a big production anyways, lots of irony and jest, nothing done in earnest. That’s also probably how people get deceived into it.

And then people can say wait, come on, that band/person/group/church of Satan isn’t even that organized, and they are over the top and goofy, and mostly just doing it for show. They aren’t SERIOUS like devout Catholics.

And falsely conclude they must therefore be harmless.

If Jesus would prefer us to be hot or cold or else He spits us out of his mouth, wouldn’t satan prefer us to never be earnest about anything? Wouldn’t he call satanists not to be super “cold” against the Lord, but always lukewarm and always acting in jest and slight irony? Of course Satan 100% hates the Lord but he usually deceives people by convincing them things are harmless or not a big deal. He usually doesn’t approach them saying “hey let’s do some super dark evil things right now so I can have your soul.”. Only a few if any people would go for that.

Honestly I think pointing out that satanist groups are disorganized or that satanist rock stars are just acting to get ratings or whatever doesn’t make satanism and less real or harmful. If anything it is proof of it’s reality.

I would be interested in what zack thinks of this point, or anyone else.

 

[zackin]

I want to piggyback on this point…I am in no ways an expert though I’ve survived bad stuff, so I have a theory. Isn’t it possible that satanists can be doing great evils, rituals etc but seem ironic or tongue in cheek about it because evil itself and Satan both lack sincerity and earnestness? So while devout Catholics might be God-fearing and deadly earnest, it would be a mistake to expect true satanists to act the same towards Satan, especially publicly. That would suggest satan is just the opposite of God, the evil mirror or alternative, when in fact he is a vastly inferior creature than Almighty God (yet still more powerful than us, hence our need for protection.)
Satan doesn’t encourage sincere devotion of any sort, he would prefer people to glorify themselves and think it’s all a big fun harmless radical rock n roll party, and if somebody gets murdered its all just part of the show, it was all just a big production anyways, lots of irony and jest, nothing done in earnest. That’s also probably how people get deceived into it.

And then people can say wait, come on, that band/person/group/church of Satan isn’t even that organized, and they are over the top and goofy, and mostly just doing it for show. They aren’t SERIOUS like devout Catholics.

And falsely conclude they must therefore be harmless.

If Jesus would prefer us to be hot or cold or else He spits is out of his mouth, wouldn’t satan prefer us to never be earnest about anything? Wouldn’t he call satanists not to be super “cold” against the Lord, but always lukewarm and always acting in jest and slight irony? Of course Satan 100% hates the Lord but he usually deceives people by convincing them things are harmless or not a big deal. He usually doesn’t approach them saying “hey let’s do some super dark evil things right now so I can have your soul.”. Only a few if any people would go for that.

Honestly I think pointing out that satanist groups are disorganized or that satanist rock stars are just acting to get ratings or whatever doesn’t make satanism and less real or harmful. If anything it is proof of it’s reality.

I would be interested in what zack thinks of this point, or anyone else./QUOTI think you are onto to something. Stay strong in the faith

 

[CrimsonThorn]

I want to piggyback on this point…I am in no ways an expert though I’ve survived bad stuff, so I have a theory. Isn’t it possible that satanists can be doing great evils, rituals etc but seem ironic or tongue in cheek about it because evil itself and Satan both lack sincerity and earnestness? So while devout Catholics might be God-fearing and deadly earnest, it would be a mistake to expect true satanists to act the same towards Satan, especially publicly. That would suggest satan is just the opposite of God, the evil mirror or alternative, when in fact he is a vastly inferior creature than Almighty God (yet still more powerful than us, hence our need for protection.)
Satan doesn’t encourage sincere devotion of any sort, he would prefer people to glorify themselves and think it’s all a big fun harmless radical rock n roll party, and if somebody gets murdered its all just part of the show, it was all just a big production anyways, lots of irony and jest, nothing done in earnest. That’s also probably how people get deceived into it.

And then people can say wait, come on, that band/person/group/church of Satan isn’t even that organized, and they are over the top and goofy, and mostly just doing it for show. They aren’t SERIOUS like devout Catholics.

And falsely conclude they must therefore be harmless.

If Jesus would prefer us to be hot or cold or else He spits us out of his mouth, wouldn’t satan prefer us to never be earnest about anything? Wouldn’t he call satanists not to be super “cold” against the Lord, but always lukewarm and always acting in jest and slight irony? Of course Satan 100% hates the Lord but he usually deceives people by convincing them things are harmless or not a big deal. He usually doesn’t approach them saying “hey let’s do some super dark evil things right now so I can have your soul.”. Only a few if any people would go for that.

Honestly I think pointing out that satanist groups are disorganized or that satanist rock stars are just acting to get ratings or whatever doesn’t make satanism and less real or harmful. If anything it is proof of it’s reality.

I would be interested in what zack thinks of this point, or anyone else.

Heh well Vincent isn’t just a “rockstar” he’s also the nephew or somethig of Anton LaVey and holds some high position in the CoS. His band’s, Acheron, “live ritual” was an invitation only type of thing, but since humans are so bad at keeping secrets, word got out as to what was taking place that night lol. I only know because I used to be friends with many death and black metal bands.

As far as some of the “metalhead satanists”: many of them are as Imryl described; lazy, drunkards, uneducated, etc Most just rebellious for the sake of it, not really knowing anything profoundly spiritual.

Although there is a more serious side to the bands too (some of them) who are very “orthodox” with their satanism. “Rockstar” Jon Nodveit (Dissection) took his own life while in some satanic ritual, since his body was found inside a pentagram with candles lit and some sort of satanic literature/bible next to him. Its clear he didn’t care much about dumbing his satanism down to harmless.

 

[Imryl]

do you think that peodphillia exists within the high ranking police officers and court room judges in the UK?.

You’ll have to get to the point I’m afraid.

Just because the possibility exists that someone, a high level law enforcement official or unemployed homeless man, could be involved in something as egregious as pedophila doesn’t mean we believe the accuser without some evidence. It doesn’t have to be DNA evidence of course, but times, dates and opportunity all have to be verified.

I’m still waiting for the names Zach said he could provide. I should also add I’m willing to eat crow if I’ve misjudged you too. I’ve no problem admitting when I’m wrong.

 

[erine]

Heh well Vincent isn’t just a “rockstar” he’s also the nephew or somethig of Anton LaVey and holds some high position in the CoS. His band’s, Acheron, “live ritual” was an invitation only type of thing, but since humans are so bad at keeping secrets, word got out as to what was taking place that night lol. I only know because I used to be friends with many death and black metal bands.

As far as some of the “metalhead satanists”: many of them are as Imryl described; lazy, drunkards, uneducated, etc Most just rebellious for the sake of it, not really knowing anything profoundly spiritual.

Although there is a more serious side to the bands too (some of them) who are very “orthodox” with their satanism. “Rockstar” Jon Nodveit (Dissection) took his own life while in some satanic ritual, since his body was found inside a pentagram with candles lit and some sort of satanic literature/bible next to him. Its clear he didn’t care much about dumbing his satanism down to harmless.

Ok but I was piggybacking on the general point not the specific example, and proposing a general theory. My whole point is that making it all a big production without anything apparently “profoundly spiritual” is how Satan tricks people, and how people justify getting into it. Not unlike how Ouija boards are extremely unsafe spiritually, even as they are packaged as toys for children. Using it as merely a toy doesn’t make it safe.

And my point is that people who worship God are always going to be more in earnest in their faith than people who follow Satan…since Satan is a liar and God is the Truth. But it doesn’t make what they do any less dangerous.

And again, I don’t know of kids who buy pretend mass kits and pretend to be priests or anything like that…because God is true and earnest, but you definitely see tarot cards, Ouija boards, rock stars, etc all as toys / entertainment / art / just ironically. Why is this the case, and where does onedraw the line between sensationalist entertainment and real satanism? And more importantly, does Satan care?

 

[Imryl]

I want to piggyback on this point…I am in no ways an expert though I’ve survived bad stuff, so I have a theory. Isn’t it possible that satanists can be doing great evils, rituals etc but seem ironic or tongue in cheek about it because evil :itself and Satan both lack sincerity and earnestness?

That would suggest satan is just the opposite of God, the evil mirror or alternative, when in fact he is a vastly inferior creature than Almighty God.

Satan doesn’t encourage sincere devotion of any sort

Honestly I think pointing out that satanist groups are disorganized or that satanist rock stars are just acting to get ratings or whatever doesn’t make satanism and less real or harmful. If anything it is proof of it’s reality.

Erine, what makes you think Satan lacks sincerity or earnestness? Why do you think the possession of these attributes sets Satan up as equal and opposite of God?

Also the only people who have asserted that it is less harmful because those involved are dabblers, the kids who do it for theatrical reasons, or the lonely, or disorganized, is Zach and the people who want to believe him.

The reality is that this is the state of affairs, only those subscribing to this much more sensational testimony seem to think a more mundane account is less harmful. On the contrary, it is quite serious and harmful, as all sin is. It is perhaps more serious and harmful than any other sin since it is a breach of the very first commandment… it directly attacks our relationship with the all-good and all-loving Creator.

 

[AlanFromWichita]

I’m still waiting for the contact name and number’s. You can send them privately by clicking on my name.

I really don’t mind doing the leg work. Feel free to just send me the names and I will contact them through the archdiocese with which they are associated and approved.

I’m still waiting for the names Zach said he could provide. I should also add I’m willing to eat crow if I’ve misjudged you too. I’ve no problem admitting when I’m wrong.

I think it’s clear by now that you will accept personal information from Zach, but each time you post it again I’m tempted to remind you of spirituality forum banned topic #11 which is “Solicitation of personal information (e.g., age, income, or location), beyond that freely offered by members through inclusion in their public profiles”

Of course, based on the way you answered my previous posts, I’m guessing you’ll choose to ignore the “e.g.” part and protest that you didn’t ask for age income or location.

But if you continue to ask, just be warned “somebody” (not me I promise) just might report your post.

Alan

 

[april32010]

I think it’s clear by now that you will accept personal information from Zach, but each time you post it again I’m tempted to remind you of spirituality forum banned topic #11 which is “Solicitation of personal information (e.g., age, income, or location), beyond that freely offered by members through inclusion in their public profiles”

Of course, based on the way you answered my previous posts, I’m guessing you’ll choose to ignore the “e.g.” part and protest that you didn’t ask for age income or location.

But if you continue to ask, just be warned “somebody” (not me I promise) just might report your post.

Alan

nothing to report! no violation of any rules!
this is not personal information!

 

[AlanFromWichita]

I don’t have proof, and I’m not interested in a debate, but for the sake of anyone reading this I’m stating for the record that if you think satanic ritual abuse was made up you are wrong. Take this information for what you will.

I’m with you on this. Well said.

 

[AlanFromWichita]

nothing to report! no violation of any rules!
this is not personal information!

Boy, aren’t you quick to defend “Imryl” … I wonder if I should pronounce it, “I’m real?”

Sigh. Must we ALWAYS go back to square 1 with you people?

Let’s see what was asked for:

If you’re priests and bishops are willing to stand up and say this is true, ok. Please PM me their names and contact information. I know bishops are busy, but I’m willing to set up a phone appointment with the necessary points of contact.

So we’re asking for a real name, and for the names of bishops – for without the real name, how is the bishop supposed to verify it? That is personal information that as a minimum reveals location, which is explicitly one of the examples of the banned topics. :newidea:

How can we believe anything you say, if you can’t get such a simple thing straight? :whacky:

Gosh, are we all working for the same team? :bigyikes:

Alan

Hmmm… why am I thinking of the term, “sock puppet?”

 

[Imryl]

I think it’s clear by now that you will accept personal information from Zach, but each time you post it again I’m tempted to remind you of spirituality forum banned topic #11 which is “Solicitation of personal information (e.g., age, income, or location), beyond that freely offered by members through inclusion in their public profiles”

Of course, based on the way you answered my previous posts, I’m guessing you’ll choose to ignore the “e.g.” part and protest that you didn’t ask for age income or location.

But if you continue to ask, just be warned “somebody” (not me I promise) just might report your post.

Alan

Again Alan I have not solicited any personal information from our friend Zach. If I wanted to contact Zach his information is already in the public domain - including his location. I don’t need his personal address or number.

Nor am I asking for the private/personal information of the references he offered to provide. He said he had six letters; one from his Bishop. People don’t offer letters of reference and expect not to be contacted.

As an engineer who’s likely looked for a job, you know that.

 

[AlanFromWichita]

Again Alan I have not solicited any personal information from our friend Zach. If I wanted to contact Zach his information is already in the public domain - including his location. I don’t need his personal address or number.

Nor am I asking for the private/personal information of the references he offered to provide. He said he had six letters; one from his Bishop. People don’t offer letters of reference and expect not to be contacted.

As an engineer who’s likely looked for a job, you know that.

Thanks for the info, but I’m out of the loop now on that issue. I’m free! … :takeoff:

Alan

 

[april32010]

How can we believe anything you say, if you can’t get such a simple thing straight?

that makes two personal attacks in one thread.

 

[AlanFromWichita]

that makes two personal attacks in one thread.

Your posts can feel like :banghead: and might be able to drive me :whacky: … IMHO

Does that make 3, or did I use enough disclaimers?

God bless, and Have a Nice Day!

Alan

 

[zackin]

Again Alan I have not solicited any personal information from our friend Zach. If I wanted to contact Zach his information is already in the public domain - including his location. I don’t need his personal address or number.

Nor am I asking for the private/personal information of the references he offered to provide. He said he had six letters; one from his Bishop. People don’t offer letters of reference and expect not to be contacted.

As an engineer who’s likely looked for a job, you know that.

Since youve almost metioned a resume…i said i had references. I didn’t say id provide them