Abortion is a Satanic Sacrifice

[Imryl]

I am interested. I want to know more about the “enemy” and the tactics, and what better way to do that, than to hang around them at the water cooler?

You won’t find them at the water cooler, but you will find them on Facebook. Search for satanism or theistic satanism or Diane Vera (she’s got a lot of people who buy into her “theology”, though I shudder to call it theology, because it’s not really). There are numerous groups. All are “invite only”, but they’ll gladly invite you on so they can drill you.

It used to be email chains, then yahoo/google groups, now it’s social networking.

After all, if satan’s people can infiltrate our church, why can’t I infiltrate theirs? I’d like to go in stealth, or at least read what they’re saying. Please feel free to PM me with the information.

Make a bogus facebook account then, join and read. I’m sorry to say you’ll be pretty disappointed though.

That raises the question of just how organized satan’s churches are. If we look at Catholicism, we have bitter debates every hour about what Catholics think and do and say, among Catholics who were raised in different areas.

The point is that yes, there are small “congregations” of satanists. They do say they have “churches”, there has been a movement for as long as I remember to “unite” but it won’t happen. Can you imagine all 30-thousand+ non-denomination/protestant churches, who’s members all decide what they believe, just suddenly making one big church? That’s what satanism is, it’s fragmented, and small. Satanists are horribly disorganized and generally relativistic.

When I was reading your questions, I didn’t get the “obviousness” you see. Unless satan is one heck of a lot more organized with his churches than God, then the variations from one section to another seem like they would make it hard to press such an assertion.

Again, consider how easy you’d be able to pick out someone who spoke authoritively about Catholicism who really doesn’t know anything about it. There are innumerable variations of Satanism. But they’re all highly relativistic, and almost entirely lack any cohesive, coherent theology of any sort. They can’t defend their beliefs, the only thing that unites most of them is the desire to do -what they want- with or without any regard for another person.

For example: One person says, “when I was Catholic, we all knelt for Communion and we’d get whacked if we weren’t kneeling perfectly straight, hands folded, eyes forward and slightly lowered.” A younger person would say, “what? They do nothing of the sort. The only time we EVER kneel is when we are in our pews.”

I deal with this when it comes to my mother actually. You can tell by looking back at the tradition of the church, how these things developed, and whether there has been sanctioned developments over this generation. Look to the history and the teach authority of the church. For Catholicism this is easy. For satanism there is no long history for one group, because they are all new every generation.

So what about your observations are sufficiently universal that they appear to you as if they apply? That’s what the rest of us aren’t getting. Just a bunch of fanstastic claims and disclaimers.

Good question. They apply at least over the last couple of decades and specifically America. I bet in Africa, somewhere in a third world country somewhere on that continent, only recently introduced to Christianity, probably has far more grotesque representations of specifically satanic worship.

I don’t believe everything I hear, but I do tentatively “accept” (with a yellow flag) that these things haven’t been verified.

There has been no indication, at least to me, that some of the people here are accepting with skeptisim this man’s claims. -That- seems reasonable. If I had seen that I likely wouldn’t have weighed in at all. It’s what appeared to be the sudden jump on the bandwagon, “This guy must be authentic!” mentality that I saw that raised my hackles.

The engineer in me was screaming.

So are you claiming that there are not satanists who have rituals in which there is a doctor who performs an abortion, and then the dead baby’s body and blood are divided and shared? Yes that is pretty sensational, but is it false?

Here in America? Over in the UK? As a corporate, organized action? Yes it’s false.

 

[CrimsonThorn]

i believe we are not on the same page

I don’t believe you. I believe we are. Where is your proof of your claim that we are not?

Edit: lol I realize how foolish I sound, sorry I can no longer play this game with you.

 

[AlanFromWichita]

I don’t believe you. I believe we are. Where is your proof of your claim that we are not?

Edit: lol I realize how foolish I sound, sorry I can no longer play this game with you.

Then how about the Gratitude Alphabet Game?

 

[CrimsonThorn]

imryl, another question sorry…if satanism is just about gratifying the self, why do you need to formally call yourself a satanist? Why not just a selfist? Or nothing at all? Also, mostly all humans in the world are satanists then, since they all care only for themselves without any regard for anyone else.

Also, it is my understanding that there are Luciferian satanists, who worship the actual devil as a deity.

 

[Imryl]

Question… How do you know for certain there is no “global conspiracy” to satanism? Like we see with the freemasons and other groups, the lower ranking members often do not have access or even know about the true mission and goals of the group and are just used as.pawns by the top tier members. So could it be that you’re just as unaware as the rest of us? I have seen interactions between freemasons and satanists in the workplace, I believe there is something more to it.

Experience. I’m comfortable sending even a novice Christian into the fray with the typical Satanist, so if you doubt me… go strike up a conversation with any and all satanists you can find. You’ll come to the same conclusion.

Trust me, I -wish- there had been more serious satanists that could hold serious intellectual and spiritual conversations.

 

[Samson01]

imryl, another question sorry…if satanism is just about gratifying the self, why do you need to formally call yourself a satanist? Why not just a selfist? Or nothing at all? Also, mostly all humans in the world are satanists then, since they all care only for themselves without any regard for anyone else.

Also, it is my understanding that there are Luciferian satanists, who worship the actual devil as a deity.

Regardless, I have a hard time buying that satanist don’t believe in satan, just self…sounds like a lie to me.lol.

 

[Imryl]

imryl, another question sorry…if satanism is just about gratifying the self, why do you need to formally call yourself a satanist? Why not just a selfist? Or nothing at all? Also, mostly all humans in the world are satanists then, since they all care only for themselves without any regard for anyone else.

Also, it is my understanding that there are Luciferian satanists, who worship the actual devil as a deity.

I never said satanism was about just gratifying one’s self. I said that most satanists are really only interested in doing what they want.

But satanism is a true and complete devotion to Satan. Some understand Satan as one among many (polytheistic), or some force of nature (pantheistic), and others are like me, monotheistic and take que’s from Catholicism/Christianity. Luciferian’s can be either polytheistic or duelistic or even atheistic.

I called myself a diabolist by the way, but I’m neither that or a satanist anymore.

 

[Samson01]

I called myself a diabolist by the way, but I’m neither that or a satanist anymore.

Have you considered any faith? Are you baptised? I sure hope you can consider it if not.

 

[AlanFromWichita]

Make a bogus facebook account then, join and read. I’m sorry to say you’ll be pretty disappointed though.

Actually I’m getting all tingly about starting a bogus facebook account. That seems kind of sinful in and of itself.

I just might do it!

Alan

 

[CrimsonThorn]

Experience. I’m comfortable sending even a novice Christian into the fray with the typical Satanist, so if you doubt me… go strike up a conversation with any and all satanists you can find. You’ll come to the same conclusion.

Trust me, I -wish- there had been more serious satanists that could hold serious intellectual and spiritual conversations.

Yes, but experience as a top ranking member with the inside scoop?

 

[april32010]

Yes, but experience as a top ranking member with the inside scoop?

does zach?

 

[Aurora_Maria]

There’s no tactic here. This is common sense. You should be reading my posts with the sense of astonishment that they are written. I have only been curt to Zachary, and that is because I know when he’s just feeding the frenzy vs. when he’s saying something true.

I have a lot of common sense, and also am very good at discerning spirits. I also know more than you think about the subject at hand, and how to judge if something is authentic or not. You should be very careful about calling someone a liar without knowing the facts, as you are doing with Zachary

I’m not saying satanists are flower girls/boys and sorely misunderstood. I’m saying this guy is playing with your imagination. Like back in the 80’s when there was all the press about “Satanic Ritual Abuse”, or whatever it was called.

So you are denying the fact of Satanic Ritual Abuse? Playing with my imagination? I have worked with victims of SRA abuse in my ministry, and I don’t know what form of satanism that you were/are involved in, but you should know that this is a reality, and is unfortunately happening, and has been happening in high numbers for years.

 

[zackin]

Alan stay away from all things satanic. Don’t try to infiltrate. Don’t try to get close to them. They all (or most) have demons attached to them. This is not what you want to have happen to you. And what if they learn why you’re there? Some sects won’t do anything to you but they wont let you into their inner circle of trust so you still wont learn what you want to know. And some might try to harm or kill you and neither option would be very pleasant.

Imryl stop trying to make yourself out to be the authority when you clearly are not. I do not know if you are making false claims out of ignorance or to be nefarious. Everyone on this thread can look at our 2 warnings. I’m warning people about the evils of Satan. How he attacks us. That yes there is a global conspiracy, an organized side of satanism. Satan is rich and he rules this planet. There are doctors and nurses that perform abortions that are satanists. And your warnings are that im lying and none of this stuff ive said about satanism is true. Your warning takes the evil out of satanism and makes it seem like something benign and harmless.

None of my claims elevate me as you claim. I dont get rich doing this. Plus i get abused by people. Some don’t wish to believe these things can be true and some know them to be true and wish the truth to be halted. If my agenda moves forward, peoples eyes are opened to satanism being real, satan being real, satanic practices being real & God’s Divine Mercy being real, there is great power in the Miraculous Medal, The Blessed Mother is a force to contend with, God is all merciful and all powerful.

And if your agenda moves forward youve taken all the evil and bluster out of satanism. Made it a harmless religion that no one need to fear or be careful of. And if satan and satanism arent to be warned against then maybe parts of the Bible that warn against him are false. Maybe God isn’t real. And maybe satan doesn’t exist after all.

There are over 10,000 satanic sects in the world. I’m not an expert on all of them. Practically of of them do borrow parts from each other. I don’t know what group you belonged to and what your practiced (or still practice), but if you weren’t a member of my group how would you know what we did, what we practiced, what spells, curses, hexes etc we committed. How would you know how many abortions we committed , or helped commit or dedicated to satan? How would you know anything about the satanic organization i belonged to? Yet here you are claiming me to be a liar and asserting your knowledge of me.

Everyone heed the warnings of someone with 26 years of satanism. Pray about me and for me. Go before the Blessed Sacrament and ask Jesus Himself what you should feel about my warnings and me. Before you do that go to Confession so you can be in a state of Grace when you go. For those of you that care, I have 6 reference letters, including a Bishop’s Letter. Those are not just handed out at random to anyone. I was investigated before i got even any one of them but especially the Bishop’s Letter. And I have many priests that seek counsel with me including Exorcism Priests. Yes those that would know what im saying to be true seek my advice.

This thread has taken many turns but we seem to have lost the original thought somewhere along the way. Too bad as i think that is, i think peoples true colors show through after they’ve posted a few times and if you pray for discernment i think you’ll realize who’s telling the truth and who the liar is.

Peace through Christ
z@k

 

[CrimsonThorn]

does zach?

Not sure about Zach, no reason not to believe him. Vincent Crowley had trouble with the police some years back at his band’s “live ritual” where apparently something highly ilegal,oh about the lines of human sacrifice, was about to take place. And Vincent Crowley is apart of the more sensationalistic and selfist type of satanism, yet they still perform rituals and sacrifice.

 

[Imryl]

So you are denying the fact of Satanic Ritual Abuse? Playing with my imagination? I have worked with victims of SRA abuse in my ministry, and I don’t know what form of satanism that you were/are involved in, but you should know that this is a reality, and is unfortunately happening, and has been happening in high numbers for years.

Am I denying the existance of wide scale, organized groups commiting satanic ritual abuse? (Usually sexual in nature) Yes. Can I say that individual groups don’t try to indotrinate their children into their religious philosophies? Of course not. I know they do, there’s plenty of satanists that introduce their children to the practice.

But none of these things is what is at issue here and entirely off topic.

 

[AlanFromWichita]

Alan stay away from all things satanic. Don’t try to infiltrate. Don’t try to get close to them. They all (or most) have demons attached to them. This is not what you want to have happen to you. And what if they learn why you’re there? Some sects won’t do anything to you but they wont let you into their inner circle of trust so you still wont learn what you want to know. And some might try to harm or kill you and neither option would be very pleasant.

I probably can’t be too scared of the demon thing because I basically have invited all demons anyway, through my journey through the Dark Night and my mania. I’ll spare you the details, but let’s just say I’ve gotten beaten up by some of the best of them.

However I am afraid of physical violence.

As far as going to infiltrate, I was hoping lmryl had a specific site in mind, because I understood he had a great deal of “insider” information. I’m not going to start trolling facebook for satanists. I have about every kind of religion in my facebook friends already – I have priests, criminals, new agers, among them so I watch what they say. I try to stay under the radar around all of them, like St. Paul. That way I can befriend them and offer them Christian advice, with or without Christian “packaging” depending on what will get through their receiving inspection.

And if your agenda moves forward youve taken all the evil and bluster out of satanism. Made it a harmless religion that no one need to fear or be careful of. And if satan and satanism arent to be warned against then maybe parts of the Bible that warn against him are false. Maybe God isn’t real. And maybe satan doesn’t exist after all.

See, this is what I’m struggling with. If I were working for satan, trying to infiltrate catholic.com with ideas that he would like to have spread out, I’m thinking would I:

a) convince people there is terrible evil when there really isn’t, or

b) convince people there is nothing to worry about when there really is.

So lmryl is accusing Zach of doing the first. Chicken Little yelling “the sky is falling.”

The second, I’m having a hard time with. I know enough about evil people that these things are most certainly done. Whether Zach has been a participant is something I don’t need proof of to be convinced that it happens.

This thread has taken many turns but we seem to have lost the original thought somewhere along the way. Too bad as i think that is, i think peoples true colors show through after they’ve posted a few times and if you pray for discernment i think you’ll realize who’s telling the truth and who the liar is.

Peace through Christ
z@k

I think it has been a very interesting thread. It has given a number of us a way to look at things about ourselves and others we would have otherwise had. I, for one, and glad you started it.

Alan

 

[AlanFromWichita]

Am I denying the existance of wide scale, organized groups commiting satanic ritual abuse? (Usually sexual in nature) Yes. Can I say that individual groups don’t try to indotrinate their children into their religious philosophies? Of course not. I know they do, there’s plenty of satanists that introduce their children to the practice.

But none of these things is what is at issue here and entirely off topic.

Whether these are done are entirely on topic. I see how you are. We’ve been getting the impression you’re trying to discredit not only the OP, but the message he brought to us. To the point you denied these sacrifices actually happen. But wait … did you?

From your earlier post:

Here in America? Over in the UK? As a corporate, organized action? Yes it’s false.

Oh. I see. The joke’s on me.

I thought you were saying they didn’t happen in America. Boy was I deceived. I suppose you will say that the “yes” applies to the AND-ing of the three questions. Pretty crafty. Until you just clarified it, I was under the impression you were denying they happened in America.

This raises the real question: why are you tearing apart the OP for bringing us valid information – by questioning whether he did it? What was your purpose?

And you say you are an engineer? Can you prove it? You don’t argue like an engineer, but I might believe lawyer. I’ll give you my credentials: BSEE, 1981 from RHIT in Terre Haute, and MSEE from Wichita State University in 1994. There. I’m the first person to give credentials. Do I win?

Alan

 

[Imryl]

Imryl stop trying to make yourself out to be the authority when you clearly are not.

Authority? I’m not making myself out as anything. I’m not making sensational claims which I can’t back up.

And your warnings are that im lying and none of this stuff ive said about satanism is true. Your warning takes the evil out of satanism and makes it seem like something benign and harmless.

You haven’t been reading my posts then, because I haven’t said either of those things.

I dont get rich doing this.

Who said anything about money? This is more about attention I’m certain.

And if your agenda moves forward youve taken all the evil and bluster out of satanism. Made it a harmless religion that no one need to fear or be careful of. And if satan and satanism arent to be warned against then maybe parts of the Bible that warn against him are false. Maybe God isn’t real. And maybe satan doesn’t exist after all.

Please, don’t be so melodramatic.

but if you weren’t a member of my group how would you know what we did, what we practiced, what spells, curses, hexes etc we committed. How would you know how many abortions we committed , or helped commit or dedicated to satan? How would you know anything about the satanic organization i belonged to? Yet here you are claiming me to be a liar and asserting your knowledge of me.

Spells, curses, hexes? Many words loaded with meaning which you’re just throwing about. You were a satanist were you? What of anything about your relationship with Satan and how it shaped you and your relationships rather then all the nifty “magick” tricks you could perform? Sensationalism.

I haven’t yet insulted you, but I certainly question your claims. With good reason.

Pray about me and for me. Go before the Blessed Sacrament and ask Jesus Himself **what you should feel **about my warnings and me.

This is a huge red flag to me. You know who else says, pray about it and your **feelings **will tell you whether it’s authentic? Mormons. Many other sects too. Feelings have little to nothing to do with it.

If you’re priests and bishops are willing to stand up and say this is true, ok. Please PM me their names and contact information. I know bishops are busy, but I’m willing to set up a phone appointment with the necessary points of contact.

 

[Imryl]

And you say you are an engineer? Can you prove it? You don’t argue like an engineer, but I might believe lawyer. I’ll give you my credentials: BSEE, 1981 from RHIT in Terre Haute, and MSEE from Wichita State University in 1994. There. I’m the first person to give credentials. Do I win?

Sure. You can always PM me your questions. I’m a specialized electrical engineer, microelectronics. I bet we would have a lot to talk about!

 

[AlanFromWichita]

If you’re priests and bishops are willing to stand up and say this is true, ok. Please PM me their names and contact information. I know bishops are busy, but I’m willing to set up a phone appointment with the necessary points of contact.

Spirituality forum rule 11 bans: “Solicitation of personal information (e.g., age, income, or location), beyond that freely offered by members through inclusion in their public profiles”

Shucks. I wanted to ask you to post a photo of your baptismal certificate and send me the phone number of the parish where you went to RCIA, so I could verify you’ve become Catholic and are no longer satanist.