Abortion is a Satanic Sacrifice

[Lost_Wanderer]

why dont you wish me to open peoples eyes to the darkness? what are your motives in trying to shut me down? Why do you doubt God’s Divine Mercy? im just trying to help. im sorry if that offends you or your sensabilities

Because you’re not the first person to make these claims in the name of Christianity.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Rivera
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Schnoebelen

Might I suggest Mr. Zachary that you open your own thread addressing why you think people should believe me. Most of the thread I’ve read has nothing to do with the actual topic in your title.

 

[InJesusItrust]

If he is a liar, what possible gain could he have by telling such a lie? What exactly is he gaining by opening himself up to ridicule?

Are we accusing him of insanity because his claims are hard to swallow?

If he is telling us the truth how could he prove it to us on the internet?

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

If he is a liar, what possible gain could he have by telling such a lie? What exactly is he gaining by opening himself up to ridicule?

Ever posed the same question to the Westboro Baptist Church? Jack Chick? YouTube Street Preachers?

There’s your answer.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

Might I suggest Mr. Zachary that you open your own thread addressing why you think people should believe you. Most of the thread I’ve read has nothing to do with the actual topic in your title.

Corrected for clarification.

 

[MtnDwellar]

I don’t find it that hard to believe at all. Somewhere out there, someone is asking Satan to accept all the aborted babies as sacrifice. That’s not an absurd statement or concept to comprehend.

I don’t find it hard to believe either.

Why do some of the posters care whether or not he is telling the truth about his background?

 

[AlanFromWichita]

Most of the thread I’ve read has nothing to do with the actual topic in your title.

Duhh. That’s because the thread was hijacked by posters demanding he comes up with evidence to prove he actually did the evil things he says he did. :whacky:

If he is a liar, what possible gain could he have by telling such a lie? What exactly is he gaining by opening himself up to ridicule?

Are we accusing him of insanity because his claims are hard to swallow?

If he is telling us the truth how could he prove it to us on the internet?

Ever posed the same question to the Westboro Baptist Church? Jack Chick? YouTube Street Preachers?

There’s your answer.

Please rest assured that if Westboro or Jack Chick came on this thread, nobody would demand evidence from them that they have done evil.

Actually, LW, prove to me that you’re human and not just a clever software bot. I bet you can’t.

I don’t find it hard to believe either.

Why do some of the posters care whether or not he is telling the truth about his background?

My personal opinion is that we are too lazy, intellectually, to actually listen to what’s being said. We want to know the credentials of who’s speaking, so we know whose “team” they are on lest we incorrectly cheer the bad guy or boo the good guy. If they aren’t for us OR against us, that’s even worse because it might require actual thought to decide how to react to what they say. I can quote Jesus and the CCC and be told I’m a liar, to someone who has made up their mind in advance that I’m not “right” somehow – this happens routinely. I’ll tell them that’s what Jesus said and they’ll say, “Jesus never said that!” Evidence does not help these kinds of people, because it isn’t about logical discussion; it’s about mob mentality.

Alan

 

[CompSciGuy]

I don’t want to sound mean, and it is not my intention, but as I read what Zachary King has wrote, I can’t help but to think that he is mentally unstable. It is similar to the kind of thing that you read from those poorly-formatted conspiracy theory websites written about UFOs, the Illuminati and the Freemasons society; this one just happens to be about the “church of Satan.” You can always recognize these types as soon as they start talking. I don’t know about you all but I have a really hard time believing that there is a literal Satanic high priest who is actively dedicating aborted babies to Satan. It seems a bit much.

 

[CompSciGuy]

If he is a liar, what possible gain could he have by telling such a lie? What exactly is he gaining by opening himself up to ridicule?

Are we accusing him of insanity because his claims are hard to swallow?

If he is telling us the truth how could he prove it to us on the internet?

Have you heard of pathological liars?
Most of us are having a hard time swallowing it because it is sensational. Like the Illuminati conspiracy theories. And usually sensational stories aren’t true. It is easy to spot them when they are present. And this one is a doozie. Skepticism is healthy, don’t just blindly accept things as they are presented to you. It is never unreasonable to expect evidence for sensational claims.

I suppose one way he could give us proof of his claims is by pointing to actual websites of the church of satan where they claim to do these things… but then again there are a lot of nutty websites out there. I don’t feel obligated to believe this guy until a.) I have evidence, or b.) he gets the approval of the Church.

 

[AlanFromWichita]

I don’t know about you all but I have a really hard time believing that there is a literal Satanic high priest who is actively dedicating aborted babies to Satan. It seems a bit much.

What’s hard to believe about that?

 

[AlanFromWichita]

Most of us are having a hard time swallowing it because it is sensational.

Jesus’s message was too sensational too, so the people did what had to be done – kill the messenger.

Luckily they couldn’t kill the Message.

Alan

PS I think maybe the reason this thread went this way, could be that it is easier and less “icky” to argue about credentials, than to face the facts the OP alleges. Next we’ll be floating toy sailboats down the river for peace, and will have forgotten all about sacrificed babies!

 

[CompSciGuy]

Jesus’s message was too sensational too, so the people did what had to be done – kill the messenger.

Luckily they couldn’t kill the Message.

Alan

PS I think maybe the reason this thread went this way, could be that it is easier and less “icky” to argue about credentials, than to face the facts the OP alleges. Next we’ll be floating toy sailboats down the river for peace, and will have forgotten all about sacrificed babies!

Jesus’ message was not sensational. He backed himself up, he knew the prophets, he performed miracles, he preached in a way that spoke to every human heart. This post does none of those things.

Also, I am astounded that you have described what the OP has posted as “facts.” Have you already drawn that conclusion? Here is my problem with the way many of the supporters in this thread have gone: I don’t like abortion, so I am willing to believe just about anything bad said about it. Lost Wanderer was right to bring up Alberto Riviera. Think about the people who believed what he said. Their thought processes were probably about the same: I don’t like the Catholic Church, I believe it is evil, so I am willing to believe Mr. Riviera’s claims about Jesuit conspiracies and the like, without questioning him.

Also to draw the conclusion that not believing Mr. King’s testimony will lead us to forget about the murdered unborn children is also false.

 

[mangy_dog]

I don’t think you understood what hes saying. He’s not saying that during every abortion there’s a black mass happening, he’s saying Satanists dedicate every abortion to Satan. That means using an Atheists abortion as a sacrifice to Satan, even if the atheist knows or could care less. The satanists are the ones doing the dedicating.

Thank you Crimson,

I’m with you on this. I think people here are not understanding what Zackin is saying.

Just as we pray for the souls in Purgatory and that prayer goes to those most in need of God’s mercy- Satanists pray so that abortions going on anywhere around the world will give glory and power to Satan.

Zackin does not need to “tone down” or “ease off”… the message should make us recoil and then, regroup and re-double our life of prayer and our life of the spirit-nurtured by the Sacraments of Confession and Communion.

Buck up catholics!!

 

[april32010]

Have you heard of pathological liars?
Most of us are having a hard time swallowing it because it is sensational. Like the Illuminati conspiracy theories. And usually sensational stories aren’t true. It is easy to spot them when they are present. And this one is a doozie. Skepticism is healthy, don’t just blindly accept things as they are presented to you. It is never unreasonable to expect evidence for sensational claims.

I suppose one way he could give us proof of his claims is by pointing to actual websites of the church of satan where they claim to do these things… but then again there are a lot of nutty websites out there. I don’t feel obligated to believe this guy until a.) I have evidence, or b.) he gets the approval of the Church.

:tiphat:

 

[Imryl]

and i would have kept a McDonalds receipt and an airline ticket from 2004 for what reason? At times I think why bother posting anything at all…but then i realize satan would like that

Airline ticket? No. But you could request the archived copies of the billing statements from your credit card company(s). You could have your friends and families - not associated with your so called global satanic group - vouch for your travels, even if they didn’t know the “true intent” behind your them.

Without much effort I could go back and find when and where I travelled, bills that resulted in my travels, and people who could vouch for where I was and the length of time I was gone. In fact, I do that every year, because it is a requirement the job I took several years back. I have to provide information from my 18th birthday forward. So please, spare me your excuses for not producing evidence of your claims.

In addition to that, if you were a satanist in a large group - secret or otherwise - you could find people who could say, yes, we knew he was into something off-beat or counter cultural. Even if they didn’t know the extent of your involvement, or the details of what you did.

Finally, you are entirely inconsistant. You make wild claims and then say something entirely different a day later. First there were 25000 “high priests” around the world, then you said there were “hundreds of thousands”. All in the context of this very thread. It would be -impossible- for an organization of that size to ensure that not even one of 25000 “high priests” didn’t go public or corroborate your story about this supposed secret satanic sect, let alone the general membership. Knowing that, in the face of Original Sin, we all have an unhealthy attachment to attention.

Your claim that even one person in a “coven” - satanists don’t call their groups covens most of the time by the way - is considered a “High Priest”. I know that’s patently false because I was a satanist for the better part of 25 years. I still know satanists of every flavor of the rainbow. I am still familiar with most of the ongoings of several of the different groups.

For those of you who keep asking why it matters whether he’s telling the truth, I ask, “What?!”

The truth is not just important, it’s necessary. That’s why you’re Catholic and not Lutheran, Baptist or Non-Demoniation right? Why is this any different?

 

[april32010]

Also to draw the conclusion that not believing Mr. King’s testimony will lead us to forget about the murdered unborn children is also false.

I don’t like abortion, so I am willing to believe just about anything bad said about it.

It is never unreasonable to expect evidence for sensational claims.

#1) i-] believe /-]know that abortion is the work of Satan #2) i don't believe the o.p. does not = i don't believe #1)

 

[mangy_dog]

Even Marx recognized that communism predated his theories. The monastic communities of the medieval Church are often cited as examples of early communism. That is just one example.

Communism is the common ownership of property and means of production. Simple as that, and it has been practiced for millennia successfully in small communities all over the world, and throughout history. There is nothing intrinsically evil about it.

Another example is the Asian practice of the entire village owning the rice paddies and the food stores, and working together. Everyone in the village gets a share of the crop, regardless of whether an elderly person, or someone doing a job not in the rice paddies. Everyone works communally. There is little in the way of private property, really just personal effects, and everyone benefits from the shared ownership and labor. I only think that this works on a small scale, as in a monastery, a small village, a commune… etc.

Maybe in it’s broadest definition and without a tyrannical dictatorship. But communism-the secular, atheistic, political type- is intrinsically evil.

The letters written by Marx and some of his authorized and unauthorized bios- clearly indicate his vicious despise for everything religious. Even organized satanism or occult societies with any type of structure. Marx favored chaos as long as he was the one causing it.

 

[Aurora_Maria]

Airline ticket? No. But you could request the archived copies of the billing statements from your credit card company(s). You could have your friends and families - not associated with your so called global satanic group - vouch for your travels, even if they didn’t know the “true intent” behind your them.

Without much effort I could go back and find when and where I travelled, bills that resulted in my travels, and people who could vouch for where I was and the length of time I was gone. In fact, I do that every year, because it is a requirement the job I took several years back. I have to provide information from my 18th birthday forward. So please, spare me your excuses for not producing evidence of your claims.

In addition to that, if you were a satanist in a large group - secret or otherwise - you could find people who could say, yes, we knew he was into something off-beat or counter cultural. Even if they didn’t know the extent of your involvement, or the details of what you did.

Finally, you are entirely inconsistant. You make wild claims and then say something entirely different a day later. First there were 25000 “high priests” around the world, then you said there were “hundreds of thousands”. All in the context of this very thread. It would be -impossible- for an organization of that size to ensure that not even one of 25000 “high priests” didn’t go public or corroborate your story about this supposed secret satanic sect, let alone the general membership. Knowing that, in the face of Original Sin, we all have an unhealthy attachment to attention.

Your claim that even one person in a “coven” - satanists don’t call their groups covens most of the time by the way - is considered a “High Priest”. I know that’s patently false because I was a satanist for the better part of 25 years. I still know satanists of every flavor of the rainbow. I am still familiar with most of the ongoings of several of the different groups.

For those of you who keep asking why it matters whether he’s telling the truth, I ask, “What?!”

The truth is not just important, it’s necessary. That’s why you’re Catholic and not Lutheran, Baptist or Non-Demoniation right? Why is this any different?

lmryl, can you prove that you were a satanist? If you can, can you prove that you are still not one now? Would you know the truth if you heard/saw it? Would you accept the truth if you heard/saw it? I see that you are still using “satanist” tactics here, which are to infiltrate and cause unrest and division, that is, if you ever were/are one…I am certainly not seeing “authentic” Catholic behavior.

 

[AlanFromWichita]

Also, I am astounded that you have described what the OP has posted as “facts.” Have you already drawn that conclusion?

Why don’t you read a little more carefully before you start being astounded at what I didn’t say? I did not say that I have concluded they are facts. I referred to them as alleged facts.

That’s what drives me nuts around here sometimes. There are cat calls for evidence when we misread what is right there in front of our faces.

Here is my problem with the way many of the supporters in this thread have gone: I don’t like abortion, so I am willing to believe just about anything bad said about it.

Actually that’s pretty close to what I was thinking, “… here’s a person saying something I haven’t heard before about abortion, and I don’t want to hear abortion is connected to satan or makes satan’s followers happy. Must squelch this voice.”

Maybe some of us have a few skeletons to work out of our closets?

Lost Wanderer was right to bring up Alberto Riviera. Think about the people who believed what he said. Their thought processes were probably about the same: I don’t like the Catholic Church, I believe it is evil, so I am willing to believe Mr. Riviera’s claims about Jesuit conspiracies and the like, without questioning him.

I don’t know or care who Alberto Riviera is. The fact that someone else in the world is a liar doesn’t imply the OP is. Actually my problem right now is not sacrificed babies. My problem right now is this nit-picky attitude. You wanted me to be wrong so you read my posts wrong. Evidence and facts are apparently not of importance when the conclusion has already been drawn.

Also to draw the conclusion that not believing Mr. King’s testimony will lead us to forget about the murdered unborn children is also false.

Who said that? I sure didn’t.

Alan

 

[mangy_dog]

“Authentic” catholic behavior…

Satanist or not:

-would that be a catholic that does the basic catholic things really, really well?

or

-would that be a catholic that has a life of prayer and a life of the spirit, nurtured by the Sacraments of Confession and Communion?

or

-a papacy criticizing; abortion agreeing; wishy washy catholic?

 

[Aurora_Maria]

Alan, you are a great asset here, God bless you!