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erine
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Yes let’s think constructively! Good point here. This is what we need to be thinking about. How to improve our battle strategy.
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pnewton
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Believe it. I am quite capable of typing and even using capitalization. You speak of “BS”, but I would be willing to bet that no one here has heard where groups like Planned Parenthood use the argument that their child will make a good satanic sacrifice. If you want, I can quote some of the sales pitches these abortion advocates use. I do not want to because, in my opinion, they tend to use compassion, not satanism.
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doormouse73
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forgive me if im seeing things here but did you write this in your post #303…
I guess I will have to go down as a doubter of this one. It is too “Chick-ish”. I think we sometimes can be too focused on the sensationalism of Satanism and forget that Satan operates more subtley an almost always as an angel of light. The “compassionate” abortionist is the one we need fear the most.
post #303.
The “compassionate” abortionist is the one we need fear the most
post #314
** I do not want to because, in my opinion, they tend to use compassion, not satanism…
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with all due respect to you but are you having a laugh???
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pnewton
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Puzzled is closer to the mark.
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doormouse73
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you are not the only one who is like this,millions upon millions yearly around the world are mislead by this evil tongue that speaks falsely in a warm touch.
its called spin,the whole concept of life in society is living like that and speaking like it also…
my young lad come home the other day and said some thing like"thats sick"
…he meant, thats good…
so i said to him if you phone your boss up tomorrow and tell him that you cant come to work today because you feel great,what do you think he will say??
its a mr topsy turvey world… thats why the world is in such danger with this nonscence…
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pnewton
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It is your posts that have left me puzzled. I do not understand them, but I do not think it is because of any evil spin.
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doormouse73
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ok ,lets look at the posts of #303 and #314,what you posted in this thread…
post #303
I guess I will have to go down as a doubter of this one. It is too “Chick-ish”. I think we sometimes can be too focused on the sensationalism of Satanism and forget that Satan operates more subtley an almost always as an angel of light. The “compassionate” abortionist is the one we need fear the most.
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Believe it. I am quite capable of typing and even using capitalization. You speak of “BS”, but I would be willing to bet that no one here has heard where groups like Planned Parenthood use the argument that their child will make a good satanic sacrifice. If you want, I can quote some of the sales pitches these abortion advocates use. I do not want to because, in my opinion, they tend to use compassion, not satanism.
now can you tell me if this is confusion in my posts?? im not being obnoxious,please dont think i am.
is this spin/confusion/or (blind)ignorance??
do the words…
come into my parlour said the spider to the fly… ring any bells with the compassion planned parenthood use???
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ljsedivy
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I have always said that satan’s #1 tool to deceive is LANGUAGE and the best lie is 99% truth.
Through language, he markets evil as a good, as compassion, as a benefit…as a CHOICE and even as GAY (or ALTERNATIVE life style).
I believe that the more you strive to grow in your faith and in holiness, your spiritual radar becomes sharper and you are able to better spot that 1%.
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april32010
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doormouse ,is english your first language.no offense ,because you and pnewton are not on the same page.
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TEPO
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This evil tongue you speak of, that “speaks falsely in a warm touch” is exactly what pnewton was describing when he said “compassionate abortionist”…
You’re both making the same exact point I think -which is that evil can be blatant and ‘in your face’, or it can be subtle, almost seeming “compassionate”, the latter being just as bad as the former but possibly even worse because of its added deceitfulness.
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AlanFromWichita
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“You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.”
But evil hasn’t a chance because we have on our side:
The Care Bear Stare!
Luke 18:16-17
Jesus, however, called the children to himself and said, “Let the children come to me and do not prevent them; for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. Amen, I say to you, whoever does not accept the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it.”
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TEPO
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Hahaha…“You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.”
But evil hasn’t a chance because we have on our side:
The Care Bear Stare!
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Luke 18:16-17
Jesus, however, called the children to himself and said, “Let the children come to me and do not prevent them; for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. Amen, I say to you, whoever does not accept the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it.”
Your posts are hilarious Allen!
(informative too… I do see your point. .
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MtnDwellar
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I believe that abortion can only be legally performed by a licensed MD or in some states an NP. Were these abortions legal?
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ljsedivy
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I don’t think satanists are all that concerned with being legal…but I think you are asking if the practicing satanist was a legal MD in a clinic and the answer I can assure you is no.
The ones that Zachary is talking about …that are done ritualistically…are done behind the scenes in formal rituals. There is a difference … these ritual abortions and all the rest that others offer to satan in prayer (the “legal”) ones done in formal clinics.
So abortions performed AS a ritual BY satanists (whether a high wizard or not) vs. all the legal abortions performed in legal clinics throughout the world that satanists offer up to their “dark lord” through the power of prayer.
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doormouse73
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yes it is april,but im sure that if you look closely at mine and pnewtons posts they ARE beeing song from the same hymn sheet.also they are in line with the OP.
now, i misundertood pnewtons posts,sat back and took in what he has said.i thought there was a glitch in what he said between one post, then the other.there wasnt,my fault.
pnewton i said i was not beeing obnoxious and i meant it.forgive me for jumping the gun with your posts.
TEPO thanks for the heads up.
just one thing is bothering me if we are singing from the same sheet is this.
I guess I will have to go down as a doubter of this one. It is too “Chick-ish”
who or what is pnewton doubting??? and why?
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april32010
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it doesn’t seem so,can’t tell to be fair.
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zackin
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Every abortion was legal. Some took place at a Planned Parenthood site and some took place at temples or private homes. But all had an attending physician with all the necessary tool , machines, etc
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ljsedivy
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OH!!! I did not know that, Zac. I stand corrected. I would never had guessed that. Just thought it was behind some dark doors.
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Imryl
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The topic of the thread is not really why Zach came and posted here. He spent one line, and two sentences commenting on the title. The rest of his post was talking about himself and his past, about how people attack him, pointing everyone to these video’s, and then inviting people, whether they agree with him or not, to comment.
Doormouse, abortion is satanic in that it is evil and contrary to God’s goodness and will. I have said this explicitly at least once before in this very thread. I’m not going to go back and read every post again to link you to it, but if you’d like to do so you may. It’s clear to me you ought to go read several of the posts over, mine included, because you either 1) haven’t been following along for the entire thread or 2) haven’t been reading the posts thoroughly.
The above comment, similar to that of Samson’s and ljsedivy’s, shows again that you have either not followed the entire thread, or haven’t read the posts thoroughly before jumping into the fray. I have stated quite clearly where I stand in previous posts on this thread. The absence of religion in my profile means nothing at all.
Again, no one has hijacked this thread. This post is more about him and his (unsubstantiated) past then it ever was about abortion. If it was meant to be about abortion he would have spent more time talking about that and it’s connections to the devil and even satanism then spending 90% of the time talking about himself. He is here trying to sell himself as an insider of a secret Satanic organization. He is trying to assert that he has some unique knowledge and experience that the Catholic church has somehow lacked or missed in it’s two thousand years of existence, in addition to it’s historical Judeo roots.
You are absolutely correct MtnDweller. Information is not always verifiable, especially on the internet. But in this case, it could very easily be verified. That is one of the wonderful things about Catholicism. There is already a system set up in the church for investigating extraordinary claims. In Zach’s case, just substantiating simple things like places traveled and ex-employers would go a long way in making sure all sides - including Zach of course - are protected from deceptions and abuse.
What has thrown me for a loop is, quite frankly, his profound willingness to make extraordinary claims, but his utter hostility toward anyone who asks for impartial evidence. For me, that is a huge neon red sign that reads “BEWARE”. One wonders if he has any idea what rigorous review apparitions, miracles and those being considered for sainthood have to undergo, and why he thinks he should be exempt from it.
You should check out the story “The Miracle Detective” by Randell Sulivan for a good read on the subject. It applies to both sides of the spectrum, the divine and the diabolical.
There are people in this world who are easily taken advantage of by unscrupulous people. In this case I do not know what Zach’s motives are, but I have decided I should speak up because of the subject matter. You correctly pointed out a very serious misunderstanding he has of the nature of Original Sin and how it is understood that it is passed on to each human person, as well of the implications such an error has on other dogmas of the Faith - namely the Immaculate Conception. That is not his first mistake on such a fundamental aspect of the faith. It speaks to his credibility, but also to the sort of review he is subject to. Who would send a “baby Catholic” or someone very new to the faith out to talk to others where they could inadvertently lead many people astray?I wonder what the motive is?
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Imryl
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To become a satanist all one needs to do is willfully reject God and follow, devote him/herself to, Satan. No blood sacrifice is necessary. It is an act of the will that can be expressed in a ritual. A ritual is simply a way of externally expressing or representing what is going on internally. (Note: Do not confuse ritual with sacrament.) This is the way it is for worship in general.
Erine, this is not a correct understanding. Allow me to quote a portion from “The Mass: The Presence of the Sacrifice of the Cross” by Charles Cardinal Jornet. These snippets are from Chapter 5: The Offering of the Mass.
**Section 5: Who offers the Mass in the Line of Worship? ** (pg. 96)
- If we consider the redemptive bloody sacrifice of the Cross, made present at each Mass, Christ was the only one able to offer it, He being the only one able to give His life and take it up again.
- Such is not the case if we consider the unbloody sacrifice of the Mass, which is a true and proper sacrifice, not through multiplying the one redemptive sacrifice, but through multiplying its real presence. This unbloody sacrifice, where the bread and wine are transubstantiated into the Body and Blood of Christ, is offered in the line of worship simultaneously, but on essentially different levels: by Christ, by the priests, and by the faithful.
On the role of the priest in the offering of the sacrifice, the encyclical Mediator Dei (AAS, 1947 553) makes reference to St. Robert Bellarmine (De Missa, II, chap. 4)
The holy doctor, considering the offering of transubstantiation, distinguishes three agents: Christ, the priest, the Church. Christ is the principle priest; the priest is His minister in the proper sense. And the Church? He considers her only in the line of worship and by abstracting from her hierarchical powers of order and jurisdiction. She is simply the faithful people. Restricted to this point of view, the priest is superior to the Church, that is to say, to the people: the Church, the people, offer through the priest as the inferior through the superior.
The encyclical distinguishes two offerings of the people: the one which is made through the hands of the priest; the other which is made at the same time as the priest: 1) Concerning the first, it is said that the priest does not represent the people (vices gerit), except by the fact that he acts in the person of Christ (personam gerit), Who, being the Head of all the members, offers Himself for them (p. 553); and that the faithful offer the sacrifice through the hands of the priest, for the latter acts in the person of Christ the Head, Who offers in the name of all His members, “such that the entire Church is said with good reason to present the offering of the Victim through Christ” (p.556)
So why bother with quoting the above? Here is the reason.
As you know Baptism is a sacrament, the gateway to the other sacraments. Two of the sacramental characters of Baptism are 1) participation in Christ’s priestly power (common priesthood) and, 2) unite themselves to the priest in order to offer with him the unbloody sacrifice of the Mass. Baptism incorporates you into the Body of Christ through His death and resurrection. … But Satanists do not have sacraments. You are not, somehow, incorporated into the “Body of Satan”. There is no “Head”, so there are no members. There is no High Priest, or High Wizard, which gathers the prayers of “satan’s faithful”, or the sins of humanity, to offer up to Satan. There is no sacramental Priesthood to which Satan has conferred the power to pray through or unite with. Baptism, Holy Orders and the Mass cannot be aped because they are neither the same in degree or kind.
Because there is not a “connectedness” in Satan, because there is no “Body”, there is no corporate (in, with and through) worship. What one member does, will not effect the others. Therefore, anything you offer to satan must be your own. Prayers to Satan are limited to time and space, unlike in Christianity. In Christianity, what one member does can be “applied” to others. Both the fruit of good work, and the stain of sin. We will be a witness to that at the general judgement, when we know how our actions effected all those who came after us.
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