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angel12
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You said in your opening post that it’s murder. How does that not answer the question?
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tuscany
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Izzy, it’s great that you are here seeking answers to your questions and gaining knowledge of your religion. With you being surrounded SO greatly by non Christians and being only 17, I admire your fortitude. Asking questions is how we learn.
Lets look at this logically. Would an abortion un-rape a rape victim? Whether a victim of rape gets pregnant or not, the assault itself is a trauma that an abortion won’t take away. It comes down to one being an innocent who was hurt, or the innocent one now being the one hurting another innocent. The pure evil of an aggressor hurting an innocent victim turning that victim into the aggressor hurting another innocent victim. The evil has to stop. A child conceived from a rape will ultimately need to come out of the rape victim’s body one way or another. Which is better, to remove the innocent child piece by piece dead or alive with their whole life ahead of them?
Lets look at this logically. Would an abortion un-rape a rape victim? Whether a victim of rape gets pregnant or not, the assault itself is a trauma that an abortion won’t take away. It comes down to one being an innocent who was hurt, or the innocent one now being the one hurting another innocent. The pure evil of an aggressor hurting an innocent victim turning that victim into the aggressor hurting another innocent victim. The evil has to stop. A child conceived from a rape will ultimately need to come out of the rape victim’s body one way or another. Which is better, to remove the innocent child piece by piece dead or alive with their whole life ahead of them?
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dbranch
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This very sentence admits that the child exists.But the child is not born yet
blackforest
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Most of us here are pro-life. So of course we’re going to say it’s “that bad.” Are you asking why we think it’s bad? That’s been outlined for you well here.. I’m not pro choice or pro life , I just feel like we should have a say , yes after abortion going to confession and asking for the fathers forgiveness is key .
But what do YOU think? How seriously do you take abortion? Do you consider it the unjust killing of a human being? Or is the act of abortion not that big of a deal to you?
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PolarExpress975
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I never really thought of it that way when I think of abortion but yes now that I see it from both of those perspectives that is indeed a another loophole in the system.
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vern_humphrey
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Is the deliberate and pre-meditating killing of a totally innocent living human being bad? If not, how can we claim to have a right to our lives?With the recent talk about abortion , as a Christian and a follower of Christ is it really that bad?
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Gab123
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So you’re not pro-murder or against-murder, you just don’t want to have laws against murder. You don’t think new human beings should be protected from those who want to kill them?I’m not pro choice or pro life , I just feel like we should have a say , yes after abortion going to confession and asking for the fathers forgiveness
Already they are making post-birth abortion a right.
I think everyone has the right to live and experience the privilege of life on earth, the chance to celebrate birthdays, to know what it means to smile, to laugh, to love and to hope, without others deciding that they must be deprived of becoming citizens of this world and treating them as if they are unwanted cockroaches.
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GiftofMercy
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I dont murder my neighbour because I am a victim of crime.
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Brendan_64
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So you seem to be saying that, “I know it’s murder, but let’s just do it anyway because the child is causing a lot of inconvenience by continuing to be alive”? So it’s OK to murder the weak if it is in the interests of those who have more power?I mean I know that it’s basically murder which is a grave mortal sin but then again what is someone is raped and becomes pregnant and that person is very young and not ready for a baby , let alone have a rapeist baby, shouldn’t such a person abort their child.
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GiftofMercy
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We also should not and cannot use the Sacrament of confession like
You are in my prayers.
keep asking questions. The difference between the secular world ideas and our Catholic world can be a minefield to navigate .
That is abusing the mercy and forgiveness of God.life , I just feel like we should have a say , yes after abortion going to confession and asking for the fathers forgiveness is key
You are in my prayers.
keep asking questions. The difference between the secular world ideas and our Catholic world can be a minefield to navigate .
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Fauken
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Guys, the OP already admitted he was wrong and plans to talk to his priest. There’s no need to continually dog pile on him points that have already been made.
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TheLittleLady
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When a person is raped, they deserve the best spiritual, medical, emotional, legal, financial, help we can provide. We ought to see to it that she has not one bit of fear, so, if she is pregnant, she can bring the child to term and be lauded as a hero whether she chooses to raise the child or if she places the child for adoption.
I think that every human being, regardless of their religion or gender or disability, regardless of how law abiding or moral their parents are, if they are rich or poor or black or white or yellow or red or any shade of beige, every human being has innate value, we ought to respect them and protect them and love them.
Let us imagine the rapist has a 2 hour old child at home when the rape is committed. Does the mother of that child want to grow the child of a rapist into an adult? What about a 2 month old, a 2 year old. Rapists may have children. No child ought be punished for the crimes of their father.But think about it from the mothers point of view !!! I’m sure she wouldn’t want to grow a baby who is the child of a rapist
Examining your beliefs does help you grow.No I’m not saying that, but recently I’ve just started questioning my faith and the last time I checked that’s not a bad thing. Healthy doubts are good for me to grow
I think that every human being, regardless of their religion or gender or disability, regardless of how law abiding or moral their parents are, if they are rich or poor or black or white or yellow or red or any shade of beige, every human being has innate value, we ought to respect them and protect them and love them.
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TheLittleLady
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At 17, I’d imagine you know someone who has had an abortion. It is natural to hurt for them, to want to protect your friends, and you would never call your friend a murderer. If you know someone who has had an abortion, or who has been victim of sexual assault, they need your love and support and compassion.
It is also important for you, and all of your friends (if you live in the US) to know about the Safe Haven Laws. If someone is pregnant and is afraid for any reason, she can have the baby and allow it to be placed for adoption and no one has to know, ever.
https://www.childwelfare.gov/topics/systemwide/laws-policies/statutes/safehaven/
It is also important for you, and all of your friends (if you live in the US) to know about the Safe Haven Laws. If someone is pregnant and is afraid for any reason, she can have the baby and allow it to be placed for adoption and no one has to know, ever.
https://www.childwelfare.gov/topics/systemwide/laws-policies/statutes/safehaven/
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vern_humphrey
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Pregnancies from rape are rare.Let us imagine the rapist has a 2 hour old child at home when the rape is committed. Does the mother of that child want to grow the child of a rapist into an adult? What about a 2 month old, a 2 year old. Rapists may have children. No child ought be punished for the crimes of their father.
The most widely cited study of this question (embedded below) was published in 1996 by the American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology, which determined a national rape-related pregnancy rate of 5.0 percent per rape among victims between the ages of 12 and 45.
Given there were about 100,000 rapes in 2017
then 5 % would b e about 5,000 rape-related pregnancies.
There were about 630,000 abortions in about the same period, So about 625,00 abortions were NOT rape related.
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stpurl
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The mother does not have to keep the child. There are thousands and thousands of people who would be happy to adopt a child.
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PennyinCanada
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Abortion is a private and hidden thing. A young woman goes into a building, comes out of a building. Nothing seems to be different.
Let’s say your neighbor was tired of the cat that always came and pooped in his flower bed. One day he caught it, put it in a sack, and smashed it flat with a baseball. You would be screaming if you saw that, and rightly so.
Abortion activists change the words to ‘products of conception’ but it’s a baby. There is nothing more vulnerable or innocent than a baby that with time will grow and be born. Every day at the abortion building they get their limbs pulled off and put in a bag to go in the trash. Very quietly.
It’s a lie they are selling, that they are helping the mother. How did it come about that helping a mother is to kill her child? It’s such upside down thinking!
Let’s say your neighbor was tired of the cat that always came and pooped in his flower bed. One day he caught it, put it in a sack, and smashed it flat with a baseball. You would be screaming if you saw that, and rightly so.
Abortion activists change the words to ‘products of conception’ but it’s a baby. There is nothing more vulnerable or innocent than a baby that with time will grow and be born. Every day at the abortion building they get their limbs pulled off and put in a bag to go in the trash. Very quietly.
It’s a lie they are selling, that they are helping the mother. How did it come about that helping a mother is to kill her child? It’s such upside down thinking!
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BearingCross
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You’re right, women should be able to have a say in whether it’s a good time to have babies. If you look far enough down your family line, you may discover that one of your ancestors made the choice to have a child for the sole reason that society thought it was a good idea!!!
Should society also pay for child support programs for these children when they grow up???
Should society also pay for child support programs for these children when they grow up???
Putting aside the topic of abortion for a moment, what you describe here is the sin of presumption. It’s a sin in and of itself to deliberately commit a sin with the mindset of “I’ll do this and then go to Confession.”yes after abortion going to confession and asking for the fathers forgiveness is key
Going back to the topic of abortion, yes it really is that bad. Killing babies in the womb is murder and a grave sin against the 5th Commandment.
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esieffe
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With all due respect, these two thoughts don’t belong in the same sentence.as a Christian and a follower of Christ is it really that bad? I mean I know that it’s basically murder
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