Abortion

[Al_Masetti]

Try an easier “composite exercise”.

Figure out how the human mind works and integrates with the body.

The human brain only weighs a couple of pounds and can fit in the palms of two hands.

Yet … it can “compute” morals and ethics … speak and translate many languages and create new ones [math and computer science] … it can feel emotions ranging from anger to guilt … from lust to envy … and … creativity … what is “human creativity?”.

It can dream … in color and in black and white. Haven’t yet figured out how to program a computer to dream.

It can invent several hundred schools of psychotherapy and 40,000 religious denominations/ sects.

 

[limerick]

We have a “life force” within us. When our body shuts down to the extent organs no longer work to support “life”, the spiritual part of us, call it soul, or life force, leaves. The life force is the spiritual part of our existence. Without it, the body decays. New age folks claim there is an aura of light which surrounds each of us, the strength and color of which varies depending on our state of being. Animals and plants also have this “aura”. That has been scientifically proven. Don’t know about the human aspect of this claim as to whether it has been “seen” by scientific machines, or not.

All I can glean from observation, is this life force can sometimes become weaker with individuals until it fades out in death. Or it could be gone in a heartbeat.

Have you ever seen a person die? From one nanosecond to the next, there is life, then nothingness. No life force.

What you need Lim., is Faith. Ask for it.

**
I believe it is possible for a human being to exist without a “life force”, without an aura, without interest in continuing to live but knowing that suicide is a business class ticket to hell. It is an unsatisfying life, like moving through the dance on life support. In other words, I don’t think everyone has the will to live or the tolerance for life, but once we’re here most of us keep truckin because the alternative is a toasty afterlife.

I also believe that before one even dares contemplating asking for faith, one must be willing to trust. Aye, there’s the rub.

Limerick**

 

[grannymh]

I believe it is possible for a human being to exist without a “life force”, without an aura, without interest in continuing to live but knowing that suicide is a business class ticket to hell. It is an unsatisfying life, like moving through the dance on life support. In other words, I don’t think everyone has the will to live or the tolerance for life, but once we’re here most of us keep truckin because the alternative is a toasty afterlife.

I also believe that before one even dares contemplating asking for faith, one must be willing to trust. Aye, there’s the rub.

Limerick

I can relate to that. Only I would add that some of us are dang stubborn.
Aye, there’s the rub. It is most difficult to trust when one’s trust has been betrayed.

 

[limerick]

I can relate to that. Only I would add that some of us are dang stubborn.
Aye, there’s the rub. It is most difficult to trust when one’s trust has been betrayed.

**How right you are.

Limerick**

 

[Gabriella_San_S]

I can relate to that. Only I would add that some of us are dang stubborn.
Aye, there’s the rub. It is most difficult to trust when one’s trust has been betrayed.

I’ve struggled most of my life with a lack of trust. I had trouble as a young child feeling “safe”.
I had trouble as a student trusting that I could ever become “somebody”. I struggled for most of my marriage with trust in my husband’s love for me-exclusively. And I still struggle with trusting my children;doctors;politicians and the people that consider me a friend.
But the hardest battle is trusting that God would forgive my sins and that I could ever be “good” enough to get to heaven. That is changing with my devotion to the **Divine **Mercy, and the simple, yet profound message that Our Lord Himself gave to mankind as a last hope, “Jesus, I trust in You.” Praise the unfathomable Mercy of God…it is His greatest attribute!!!

 

[allhers]

I’ve struggled most of my life with a lack of trust. I had trouble as a young child feeling “safe”.
I had trouble as a student trusting that I could ever become “somebody”. I struggled for most of my marriage with trust in my husband’s love for me-exclusively. And I still struggle with trusting my children;doctors;politicians and the people that consider me a friend.
But the hardest battle is trusting that God would forgive my sins and that I could ever be “good” enough to get to heaven. That is changing with my devotion to the **Divine **Mercy, and the simple, yet profound message that Our Lord Himself gave to mankind as a last hope, “Jesus, I trust in You.” Praise the unfathomable Mercy of God…it is His greatest attribute!!!

Interesting, I pretty much felt the same way except when you got to trusting God. God is the only one I ever really did trust (besides my Mother and Grandmother), I’ve always had a fear of men, and for a time, I feared my father and God, but…my father was such a good man, that eventually I learned to trust both him and God…as a small child.

Things happened when I was little that my father had nothing to do with, but other men did and that is why I feared him…he was a man. God, to me, was man, but…God was different than other men, in time I figured out that my father was too. My father was a kind and loving man, very forgiving but yet he also was firm and consistant and punishment was never abuse, he made it easy for me to know that God was kind and loving too.

I also trust my children because they are also very kind and loving. I have a hard time trusting people who aren’t kind. I have no trouble trusting in God’s mercy, His mercy is ever lasting…Jesus, I trust in you. I read about Saints when I was very young, they know God’s love and express it very well. They are funny, kind, loving, merciful, prayful, joy filled and yet they don’t have any problem telling people when they are wrong either, but they do it in such a kind manner that its hard to feel “bad” afterwards. (which is good, you aren’t suppose to feel bad after you realize and confess the error of your ways.)

I guess I always knew that I wasn’t “good” enough to deserve heaven, but I’ve always had a hope that with God’s grace, I could possibly maybe get there. Still working on that, isn’t that I think I’m there, just that I can see the light at the end of the tunnel (and its not a train waiting to hit me.)

As Pope John Paul II always said: Be not afraid. (at first I was like, ut oh, what is it that we are suppose to be afraid of?? Obvioiusly I missed that part, I was fearless for a time, but now I’m working on humbleness, thats a hard one for me.) I don’t really understand it.

I do understand that our soul lives on into eternity and that some day, when the last day is here, we, who make it, will be reunited body and soul. That’s why its easy for me to understand the Blessed Mother being in heaven, she make it, she is there, body and soul.
Someday, we all hope to be.

Thats why I think its so important that people understand about abortion, God created a soul, He gave life to a body and soul. Those souls live on into eternity.

 

[jake23]

**I’m not making this stuff up. Look it up under human gestation, biology or pregnancy.

I’ve had two spontaneous abortions myself and held that tissue in my hands. I never considered them “my babies”. They were each a fetus, likely from blighted ova.

It doesn’t matter to me if you refer to one as “Little Johnny”, but you would be in error to call it a baby.

Limerick**

You are a vein person to decide the difference of life and non-life or to accpet anothers opinion! It is un-christ like which is no suprise coming from someone who is not of the church! I am glad you where not my Grandmother. My saintly grandmother persuade my mother not to abort me when she wished to do so. I hope that your children and grand children have more of a heart than you do! Like it or not you killed your children and you will have that to face during judgemnt! I will pray for the souls of the children that you failed as a mother to protect!

 

[limerick]

You are a vein person to decide the difference of life and non-life or to accpet anothers opinion! It is un-christ like which is no suprise coming from someone who is not of the church! I am glad you where not my Grandmother. My saintly grandmother persuade my mother not to abort me when she wished to do so. I hope that your children and grand children have more of a heart than you do! Like it or not you killed your children and you will have that to face during judgemnt! I will pray for the souls of the children that you failed as a mother to protect!

**

1. I am not a phlebotomist.
2. I have not decided “the difference of life and non-life”. I have never claimed that conception does not signify life. And nothing on these forum rules or in life outside CAF requires or demands that I accept another’s opinion.**

3. Be careful whom you are designating “Christ-like” and “un-Christ-like”; you will find both on this forum, but many non-Catholics who participate here present a more Christ-like demeanor and position than some of the dyed-in-the-wool “true” Catholics we find posting on this board. For instance, “Like it or not you killed your children and you will have that to face during judgemnt! I will pray for the souls of the children that you failed as a mother to protect!” **Now, I believe you are operating under the assumption that I have had multiple abortions. I have not. I have experienced four pregnancies: one surgical abortion, two spontaneous abortions (also known as miscarriages) and one live birth. So, I’m not really on the hook for having “failed as a mother to protect” all of these souls. God actually took two of them back and I had no say in it. I know what abortion is, I understand the process, I understand that in having an abortion I ended the life that would have grown to be today’s 37-year-old son or daughter. Your fury at this comes a little late to the table. I confessed the abortion, was given absolution and penance, and never repeated the act. I do understand that God and I will have a sit-down over the surgical abortion when my life is over; there again, you’re not telling me anything I don’t already know. So what is the purpose of your rage? And how do you think your attitude, your language, your sanctimony will change my life or effect any change in general? I can answer that for you. It won’t. But if you are representative of today’s practicing Catholic, then I thank you from the bottom of my heart for so clearly illustrating to me why Catholicism has failed me and why there has to be a better option out there for people searching for God, for forgiveness, for love.

Limerick**

 

[grannymh]

**But if you are representative of today’s practicing Catholic, **
Limerick

In my humble opinion, post 263 is not representative of true Catholicism.

 

[jake23]

**You can call the fetus whatever you want, but that cannot change the fact that abortion is legal in the United States of America at this time; so every woman who has one is within the laws made by man and every woman who has one will be judged by the only One qualified to judge her actions, and that One is not you, not me, not any other human being.

Limerick**

You can beat and or kill your wife in some parts of the middle east, does that make it OK because it is legal? A woman should not have the right to kill a child even if it is in her body! Maybe I should have the right to kill the grandma of my kids living downstairs her life has less worth in her old age over a young unborn baby with its whole life ahead of him or her! Foolishness and Ignorance! I am ashamed of most of the citizens of america today! No real values!

 

[limerick]

You can beat and or kill your wife in some parts of the middle east, does that make it OK because it is legal? A woman should not have the right to kill a child even if it is in her body! Maybe I should have the right to kill the grandma of my kids living downstairs her life has less worth in her old age over a young unborn baby with its whole life ahead of him or her! Foolishness and Ignorance! I am ashamed of most of the citizens of america today! No real values!

**
Perhaps you’d like to live in another country, one where nobody** has rights.

Such a long way around my response to your vengeful post …

Limerick

 

[jake23]

**A baby is a human if it comes from a human being. A human fetus is also human. My only disagreement is over the word “baby” when discussing a fetus. It will become a baby if it is given birth to; until that time it is a fetus.

This is where I find pro-life people melodramatic, but in view of the larger picture it is of lesser significance. I just don’t like being manipulated by the Sarah Bernhardt approach to the subject, and I find it curious that pro-life people are offended by the term “fetus”, which accurately describes the gestational point of most conceptions that are threatened by abortion.

Limerick**

You are truly a fool! May God help you find salvation and a little common sense

 

[limerick]

You are truly a fool! May God help you find salvation and a little common sense

**It is my opinion that you should choose your battles more carefully.

Limerick**

 

[jake23]

**It is my opinion that you should choose your battles more carefully.

Limerick**

A childs life is a battle I will take on anyday along with any real Christian! You should repent carefuly before youre life is over! As I said before, I am ashamed of poeple like you! May God show you the way!

 

[limerick]

A childs life is a battle I will take on anyday along with any real Christian! You should repent carefuly before youre life is over! As I said before, I am ashamed of poeple like you! May God show you the way!

**
You call it baby and I call it fetus
Not gonna let old semantics beat us
You can’t feel ashamed of another’s disdain
Let’s call the whole thing off.

Limerick**

 

[jake23]

**
You call it baby and I call it fetus
Not gonna let old semantics beat us
You can’t feel ashamed of another’s disdain
Let’s call the whole thing off.

Limerick**

OK lets not call it a baby! Lets call it a human life, a creation from God, a responsability of a mother and a human who deserves equal rights! keep lying to yourself! You are one of the Blind that will stay Blind! PS Disdain is not correctly used in that sentence! you really are a fool!

 

[limerick]

OK lets not call it a baby! Lets call it a human life, a creation from God, a responsability of a mother and a human who deserves equal rights! keep lying to yourself! You are one of the Blind that will stay Blind! PS Disdain is not correctly used in that sentence! you really are a fool!

**Sorry, jake, but you are the fool if you think the fetus is the sole responsibility of the mother.

I used disdain to mean “scornfulness”, as in I scorn(ed) your attitude. You said you were “ashamed of people like [me]”. Then feel shame for yourself, brother. You take the scorn cake.

Limerick**

 

[WillieWonka]

If the single cell fertilezed egg is a baby, does anyone know when a baby leaves the baby stage and enters the next developmental stage?

 

[limerick]

If the single cell fertilezed egg is a baby, does anyone know when a baby leaves the baby stage and enters the next developmental stage?

**
It depends on when he gets his briefcase.

Limerick**

 

[limerick]

I read through about 12 pages of posts before I got tired. Not once in the posts I read did anyone mention birth control. In my mind birth control=no abortion. I know birth control is against catholic teachings, but I do not see it as abortion. Any of you who are catholic, do you really actually know the biblical reason it is not allowed??? The story of Onan, is the reason we are not allowed to use birth control even in life or death situations!
Genesis 38:7-10: “Er, Judith’s firstborn, was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so the Lord put him to death. Then Judith said to Onan, ‘Lie with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to produce offspring for your brother.’ But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so whenever he lay with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so he put him to death also.” scborromeo.org/glad/c4.htm
I wonder, what a priest would do if a man came to him and asked if he could have sex with his sister in law since his brother died without giving her children? In my mind you have to follow it all or not at all. People of the Jewish faith, follow this also, but they allow birth control pills, they only disapprove of anything that wastes the seed, as in condoms. I think they have it right.
You talk about options for pregnant women to keep them from having abortions, if they were on birth control, odds are they would have never gotten pregnant in the first place. I know you say the problem is premarital sex, you seem to forget not everyone is catholic (or religious) and worrying about sin. You can’t turn everyone catholic, you have to either promote abortion or promote birth control. Promoting abstinence will not work. I thought we obey Jesus’ teachings, and He never said to go forth and multiply.

**
Abortion is** birth control, the most violent and senseless form of it. But you will not find a Catholic on this forum who condones artificial birth control of any kind. Use of any of these methods does not allow what they call “Openness to Life”, which is much like roulette but with a strong possibility of more staggering consequences. No, what you will find on this forum is enthusiastic endorsement of a method called Natural Family Planning.

Twenty-seven percent of all abortions performed annually in the United States are performed on women who identify themselves as Catholic.* They may or may not be Catholic, but it seems that it would be in their better interests if they were to refuse to disclose their Catholicism, which leads me to believe that perhaps the percentage of Catholic women having abortions annually in the U.S. is higher rather than what Guttmacher* has quoted.

Stick around. You’ll see.

Limerick