abortion?

[LucyLight]

Well if its been about a week or whatever since you got pregnant, then no, its not a baby at all its nothing but cells. So no, it would not look like a baby at all and you could not identify any body parts.

However at this point, it does technically have a soul. I believe the christian teaching is that it gets a soul at conception, and that is why it would be important.

Celestielle,

It is a baby. Since conception it has been a baby and is now still a baby. Not just any baby but your baby. I had a scan done when I was less than 6 weeks pregnant. I saw my daughters little heart beating…she was very cute and precious. Just because they are small does not mean that it is ok to hurt and kill them. Protect your child.You are the only person that child has to defend them.

 

[BlueShadow123]

Celestielle,

It is a baby. Since conception it has been a baby and is now still a baby. Not just any baby but your baby. I had a scan done when I was less than 6 weeks pregnant. I saw my daughters little heart beating…she was very cute and precious. Just because they are small does not mean that it is ok to hurt and kill them. Protect your child.You are the only person that child has to defend them.

I said a week since she got pregnant.

 

[ouioui]

I pray for the life of your baby. You will forever regret doing this. A baby is a baby since conception. Giving the baby up for adoption doesn’t mean you get to become attached. You can ask the drs not to let you hold/see him/her. Please go to your local birthright. They can give you options and offer you help.

Heck, I’d adopt your baby if you decided to let him/her live. I’ve lost 3 and you have no idea how.much it hurts. When you kill a baby intentionally, you will hurt for life. A friend of mine aborted 2 and she’s hurting really bad inside. She now has 2 living babies, but wishes she hadn’t killed the other 2. Believe me, it will hunt you FOREVER!!!

 

[Iron_Donkey]

i dont know if i could give a baby up for adoption :\ that would be so much worse cuz you would be attached by that point. and also, ending the preg early before its even a real baby means nobody even has to know about it

Forgive me if this comes across as harsh - it’s not meant to, but probably will - but when you say putting your child up for adoption would be so much worse, what you mean is that you think it would be emotionally more difficult for you. It would certainly not be worse for the child who would be killed in the abortion process. And many people in post-abortion counseling would strongly disagree that putting their child up for abortion would have been worse for them (including, out of interest, the famous “Roe” of Roe v Wade).

Note also that your child is a “real baby” now and that God has plans for him or her now that would be prevented by his untimely death. Jeremiah 1:5 - God is speaking to one of the prophets convincing him to go out to the people: “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”

God makes knows and makes plans for people. Your child is a person.

 

[joandarc2008]

You say you cannot handle a gory video if someone were to show you one. But yet you would commit the act? What kind of logic is that.

My cousin lost a child early in her pregnancy she knew she was miscarrying and you know what when her body expelled it - it looked like a child - and she has never forgotten that.

No one else has mentioned it - abortion is an offense that is punishable by self-excommunication. That is how serious murder of the unborn is. It means that it takes Reconcilliation with a Bishop to come back to the Sacraments - it is called self-excommunication because in choosing to do the action you are choosing to leave Christ’s Grace by full knowledge of your own deeds. I honestly cannot say that I would undergo ANY medical procedure especially a surgical one with that kind of sin on my soul because there is no guarantee that you will make it to that confession. That is the truth. It is hard and it is cold. Whatever reasons you think you have there are organizations that can help you

Another thing - along with the negative affects to mental health that abortion has abortion has been shown to raise your risk of breast cancer by 150%.

You know Our Blessed Virgin Mary should by Judaic law have been stoned to death. She was placed in an impossible situation. However,she said, “Let it be done to me according to thy word.” Granted you had a part in it (maybe we don’t know your circumstances) but in this case please “Let it be done to you according to His Word.”

please contact JREducation on here he is with the Franciscan Brothers of Life. He is a Franciscan Brother with the Brothers of Life - He can help you find an organization. If you are not comfortable with that let us know what area you are in we will find you the Respect Life Office. Please do this not only for the life of your child but for your health and the sake of your soul.

God bless you and please be the mother that God wants you to be.

 

[Mojoforyeshua]

well i dont know if i really think i would be killing anybody tho… its not really a baby right now at all. but it would be in a couple months and thats when you would start to care about it

Look at your language, “I don’t know” and you are right that you don’t know. If you don’t know, then why would you take the risk of killing a human being with a soul and even if you think you know that its not, what if you’re wrong? Do you really want to have to live with that? I can’t entirely understand what you are going through because I’m not pregnant and I cannot be pregnant. However, that is not the issue here what we are focusing on is the very act of abortion and it just isn’t a good idea.

You also make another statement that is mildly disturbing, "but it would be in a couple months and thats when you would start to care about ". Do you see what you are saying? What is being implied here is that we should only protect the lives of people we care about. Does that sound right? If you could push a button to kill a Chinese adult that you didn’t know, would you? I don’t think you would. You being attached or caring about a person does not make them more or less a human being with a personal soul. An unborn child is just as much of a person as an adult that you do not know.

Please do not continue the silent holocaust that is abortion, ignore the lies you hear from planned parenthood and society. Protect life! Protect your child and that is the first duty of a mother, which you are and have been for a while now. Here is a website for you to network and talk to people who have had abortions and to talk to people to get more information to help you make the right decision: rachelsvineyard.org/index.htm

God bless and congratulations on the wonderful gift of life that you have been blessed with, I hope you love your child as much as your parents loved you and gave you the right to life.

John

 

[celestielle]

youtube.com/watch?v=kPF1FhCMPuQ
this video is wow.

yeah its a good video. it makes me feel guilty for even thinking about it :\

 

[Trishie]

Of course its is in the bible
It is a grevious sin against the fifth commandment of God,
“Thou shall not kill.”

THE FIFTH COMMANDMENT

You shall not kill.54
You have heard that it was said to the men of old, “You shall not kill: and whoever kills shall be liable to judgment.” …

2258 "Human life is sacred because from its beginning it involves the creative action of God and it remains for ever in a special relationship with the Creator, who is its sole end. God alone is the Lord of life from its beginning until its end: no one can under any circumstance claim for himself the right directly to destroy an innocent human being."56

vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a5.htm

 

[Trishie]

Catechism of the Catholic Church
Abortion

Abortion is such a serious crime that a person who procures an abortion is automatically excommunicated.

2270 Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person - among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life.72

Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you.73
My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately wrought in the depths of the earth.74

2271 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law:

You shall not kill the embryo by abortion and shall not cause the newborn to perish.75
God, the Lord of life, has entrusted to men the noble mission of safeguarding life, and men must carry it out in a manner worthy of themselves. Life must be protected with the utmost care from the moment of conception: abortion and infanticide are abominable crimes.76

2272 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae,"77 "by the very commission of the offense,"78 and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law.79 The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society.

vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a5.htm

 

[JReducation]

ty for the responses… i guess i dont know what i think about it yet.

i mean its not something anybody ever WANTS to do but sometimes there isnt really any other options

There are always other options. Placing your child for adoption by a loving set of parents is an option.

Check out this site. babyface4d.net/

You must keep in mind that this your son or daughter. Whatever the circumstances in your life, this reality does not change. You are the mother. You have a moral duty to protect your child from harm. It is always gravely sinful to attack the unborn. There are no exceptions to this moral rule.

One must also remember that none of us asked to be conceived. We were called into existence by God to show his glory and to share his glory with us. Each of us is a gift from God to humanity. Each life is God’s gift. We do not have the right to destroy what God wishes to bring to life. That places us in direct conflict with God, it becomes a battle between our will and His will.

You ask a very interesting question, “Can this sin be forgiven?” The very idea that one can commit a sin because one can later ask for forgiveness invalidates the request for forgiveness. What the person is saying is, “I can do this today and ask for forgiveness tomorrow.” Forgiveness does not work that way. Forgiveness is for those who look back and realize that they have sinned, are sorry that they have sinned and then proceed to ask God for forgiveness. One does not plan on sinning, because he can ask for forgiveness. That’s like me saying, “I’m going to step on your toe and then I’ll apologize.” Where is the credibility in that apology?

Having a crisis pregnancy is a very frightening thing for the woman and for the father, if there is father in the picture. No one denies this. But there are many of us out here who are available to walk with you and make it less frightening.

I don’t know where you live, but if you contact me, I will put you in touch with the nearest Respect Life Ministry and they will walk with you.

You can also contact the
Sisters of Life at www.sistersoflife.org

Priests for Life at www.priestsforlife.org .

You can contact our office 954-981-2922. We’ll be glad to help you. Just speak to whomever answers the telephone.

You can write me at the Franciscan Brothers of Life. We walk with people in your situation. My email is br_jay@franciscansoflife.org

I look forward to hearing from you.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[celestielle]

Are you over or under the age 18. Specifics not necessary.

How many weeks pregnant are you?

Has your PG been confirmed by a doctor?

Is this PG a result of consentual sex?

Why do you feel you have no other choice?

Who is going to be mad at you for getting PG?

no i havent been to a doctor about it… i just took some tests and they said i was. but they could be wrong even. result of “consentual sex”, i dont really know what that means sorry :\ i feel like i have no other choice because there isnt really a way for me to have a baby. and a lot of people would be mad… they would get over it, but i still dont want to make them mad

 

[celestielle]

thanks for the websites JReducation… i dont think i can call though, because i dont live in the US and it would prolly cost a lot of money. i know what you mean about the forgiveness thing, i felt stupid even when i said it lol, i was like “this doesnt make sense to ask”

 

[JReducation]

I want to add that many people here have erroneously said “the Catholic teaching is that abortion is murder, sin, wrong, etc.”

This is not the Catholic teaching. This is natural law. Catholics, Orthodox Christians, Muslims, Orthodox Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, and several Protestant denominations have discovered this natural law and have reiterated it.

It is a violation of natural law to kill a helpless human being. It’s simply a case of the stronger animal killing the weaker animal, because he can do it, not because it’s the right thing to. The ability to use our reason to understand that one cannot kills the innocent and the weak, simply because he has the power to do so, is what makes the human animal different from other animals. This is not a Catholic thing. This is a natural law. Catholics happen to be the most vocal in proclaiming natural law. That’s different.

There is an issue of justice here. Man is the only animal who can commit acts of injustice. Justice requires reasoning or thinking. There is no justice to the weaker person when he or she is attacked by a stronger person. There is no justice to the unborn child, when he is not given a chance to defend himself or the strength to defend himself. There is no justice to the unborn child when he or she is attacked by someone whom he does not even know exists. There is not justice to the unborn child to say that he is not a child, because his body is different from that of an older child. Some people never develop arms or legs. Does that make them less human?

The difference between a child in the first three weeks of pregnancy and a child who is born without arms or legs is ZERO. Are there any volunteers to kill the child without arms and legs?

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[JReducation]

thanks for the websites JReducation… i dont think i can call though, because i dont live in the US and it would prolly cost a lot of money. i know what you mean about the forgiveness thing, i felt stupid even when i said it lol, i was like “this doesnt make sense to ask”

What country are you in? I can point you to the Franciscans there. We’re in 121 countries and we speak 48 languages.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[celestielle]

i live in canada

 

[joandarc2008]

thanks for the websites JReducation… i dont think i can call though, because i dont live in the US and it would prolly cost a lot of money. i know what you mean about the forgiveness thing, i felt stupid even when i said it lol, i was like “this doesnt make sense to ask”

Brother JR is a good man - a good Consecrated Religious man. I can only guess how hard it must be for you to come on here and ask questions to a bunch of strangers and now you have people holding their hands out to you. I can tell you from my own experience that even though my life situation was different - I used to live in that same diocese and when I needed help Brother JR listened to me and emailed with me. So please know that when we say that people are out to help you - they are.

Also, I know that you say people will be mad - little babies have a way of melting a lot of anger. When my cousin got pregnant my grandmother was very upset. Once my grandmother saw her great-grandchild - she forgot what she was upset about.

 

[JReducation]

i live in canada

If you write me, with an address, I can point you in the right direction. You can also write the Sisters of Life. They also have houses in Canada, I believe in Toronto. We have houses all over Canada.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[joandarc2008]

i live in canada

Good luck to you and God bless.

“So let us confidently approach the throne of grace to receive mercy and to find grace for timely help.” -Heb 4:16 NAB

 

[JReducation]

no i havent been to a doctor about it… i just took some tests and they said i was. but they could be wrong even. result of “consentual sex”, i dont really know what that means sorry :\ i feel like i have no other choice because there isnt really a way for me to have a baby. and a lot of people would be mad… they would get over it, but i still dont want to make them mad

The only thing that matters is whether or not you’r pregnant. Your age, how many weeks, who is the father, was it rape or consentual, is irrelevant. No Catholic pro-life center will ever ask you those questions. It’s up to you to volunteer as much or as little information as you wish. If you need a place to go while you’re pregnant, the Catholic Church has homes all over for pregnant women. You can even come to the USA. We have Good Shepherd Homes here and we take in girls from all over. There are some in Canada too. The friars and the sisters help with all of the paperwork.

If someone gets angry because you’re pregnant, they’ll just have to get over it. If you and your baby’s father (if he’s in the picture) kill your son or daughter, you may never get over it.

Then there are the risks involved, begin with Post Abortion Syndrome: nightmares, anxiety, depression, eating disorders, addictions, self-destructive behaviours, restlessness and others. There is also the chance of damage to the uterus that may lead to infertility or complications with future pregnancies. Finally, if there is a loving relationship between you and the father, the relationship will suffer. Most couples who go through an abortion together finish breaking up. It distabalizes the relationship, because trust is diminished.

The risks to you and to your son or daughter far outweigh what other people will think. The worse that can happen is that someone will get angry, will shout, not speak to you for a few weeks. I have seen it all. I have seen the same people go gaga when they see the baby once it’s born and suddenly, no one remembers ever being angry or afraid of others being angry. It passes.

If you are pregnant, then YOU ARE A MOTHER. You must protect your son or daughter. We can help you. But you must take our hand.

Think of it this way. If a woman is willing to kill her son or daughter, because she’s afraid of someone being angry, what else is she capable of doing when the going gets tougher? You don’t want to have to ask yourself this question. You can avoid having to ask yourself this question by choosing life. If you choose the life of your baby, you will never have to doubt yourself. You will know one thing about yourself, that you have the courage to do what is right.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[Marysann]

Please contact Br. JREducation. People claim that Catholics only care about unborn babies, but not their mothers or what happens after they are born, but that is not true. Brother will direct you to people who can help you with your problems now, especially telling your parents and the other people who you are worried about, as well as help you make plans for the baby after it is born. They will be able to assist you in obtaining prenatal care, and what ever material goods you need during your pregnancy. They will be able to counsel you about adoption or about resources to help you if you choose to keep the baby. This situation is going to force you grow up faster than you might have liked, but it is the situation that you find yourself in. You are already a mother, nothing will ever change that. Please contact Brother. You will never regret it. And don’t forget that you have the prayers of the hundreds, maybe thousands of people who read this forum!