About Quran

[paarsurrey]

Hi everybody!
To day I used the search feature of the forum for the word Quran. I found many threads, some of which I mention below:

Who wrote the Koran? ( 1 2 3)Valke2
Giving the Koran a historyjimmy85
Parallelism between Quran and previous scriptures ( 1 2 3 4 5 … Last Page)Rodrigo Bivar
Who wrote the Koran ( 1 2 3 4 5 … Last Page)Montalban
Quran ( 1 2 3 4)inJESUS
Promise and fulfillment in the Bible, How abrogation in the Quran is different
discipleofJesus
Quran alone?Cyber Knight

This way I noted there was a lot of quest for knowing about Quran; and rightly so because , to me, it is the pristine Word of GodAllahYHWH from His mouth, authored by Him and revealed on the heart of Muhammad a peaceful true ProphetMessenger for guidance of all humanity.
I thought I also should start a thread “About Quran” for everybody’s peaceful discussion and understanding.
May GodAllahYHWH bless you all!
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[paarsurrey]

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For information of my Catholic friends I give here an excerpt from a treatize named " INTRODUCTION TO THE STUDY OF THE HOLY QURAN" written by Mirza Mahmood Ahmad 1889-1965, the famous son of the PromisedMessiahImamMahdi:
“NEED OF A NEW TRANSLATION AND A NEW COMMENTARY
IN presenting this new Translation and Commentary of the
Quran, we think it proper to point out that this is not a commer-
cial enterprise nor does its main interest lie in its being new.
Our effort has been prompted by the belief that while a new
translation is needed today by those who do not know Arabic,
a new commentary is needed by all, whether they know Arabic
or not and this for two reasons :
(i) Translations prepared by non-Muslims (with the
exception of translations into Urdu and Persian) have
all been prepared by authors who had little or no know-
ledge of the Arabic language and who were, therefore,
unable even to understand the Arabic text, not to
speak of being able to translate it. Some of them
translated from other translations, and this made the
meaning only more remote from the original.
(ii) For their interpretation of the text these translations
rely not on a knowledge of the Arabic language, but
on the older commentaries. A commentary, however,
is largely a matter of individual opinion, part of
which may be accepted by one person, part by another,
and part by none at all. A translation based on a
commentary may be said to reflect an individual
opinion, not the true meaning of the text.
In view of these defects, there is genuine and pressing need
of a new translation prepared by Arabic-knowing scholars and
firmly based on a knowledge of the Arabic language, its canon
and idiom.
PRESENT TRANSLATION FULFILS THE NEED
The present English Translation is intended to fulfil these
two requirements and, God willing, it will be followed in due
course by similar translations into other languages.
The Arabic language is a language with a philosophical
design. Its words have been designed with a purpose. Its
roots have been devised for the expression of elementary
emotions and experiences, and these by slight variations in
actual use give to Arabic words a significance both wide and
deep. To turn them adequately into any other language is
well-nigh impossible, and, as translation alone is not enough,
we have to add explanatory notes to a translation to show the
breadth of meaning hidden in the text. Our own Translation
is no exception to the rule. It cannot hope to bring out the
complete or even the approximate meaning of the original.
It may only hope to bring out one of its possible meanings.
To make up this deficiency, therefore, we have added explana-
tory notes to our Translation. But even these are not compre-
hensive. They do not bring out the full sense of the text,
but they compensate to some extent for the limitations of the
translation. Under Important Words we have indicated the
breadth of meanings which the text possesses ; and, for this, we
have drawn on lexicons regarded as standard not only by
Muslims but also by Arabic-speaking non-Muslims. We
trust that a study of this material will deepen the reader’s
insight into our Translation, and convince him that the sense
we have sought to put into the Arabic original is not arbitrary
but is based upon accepted Arabic usage and canon. The
reader with no knowledge of Arabic should feel assured that
our rendering, though unacceptable to some, is based on
sound Arabic usage and can be dismissed only if evidence of
other parts of the Quran or of sound Arabic usage points to
the contrary.
SPECIAL FEATURES OF THIS COMMENTARY
Having said so much about our Translation, we wish to say
something about our Commentary.
Commentaries of the Quran are already many, and an addition
to their number seems hard to justify. But we have good
reasons for attempting and presenting a new Commentary.
They are :
(i) As we have said, Arabic words possess an extraordinary
breadth of meaning. A translation consequently can adopt
only one of all possible meanings. It was necessary, therefore,
to append Notes to the Translation, and indicate other possible
meanings of the text.
(ii) All the large and systematic commentaries of the Quran are
in Arabic, and it should be obvious that those who cannot
read the Quran in Arabic can make no use of these commentaries.”
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[thistle]

There is no quest to know the Koran. It is a book filled with lies mixed with some truths meant to deceive. Satan and his best student Mohammad are behind the Koran.

 

[paarsurrey]

There is no quest to know the Koran. It is a book filled with lies mixed with some truths meant to deceive. Satan and his best student Mohammad are behind the Koran.

Hi
If you can discern right from the wrong, reading Quran or reading about Quran would be informative for you and won’t harm you in any way. Unless you have the right information ; how would you try convincing Muslims to Catholicism with arguments?
So read Quran or about Quran and prepare your arguments accordingly. It would be useful for you, my friend.
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Deuteronomy 18:20-22. “But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death.”
Because of his righteousness, Jesus prayers were heard, and he was saved from killing on Cross.
Hebrews 5:7 (NIV)
7During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.

 

[paarsurrey]

Hi
We continue knowing important information about Quran from the treatise “INTRODUCTION TO THE STUDY OF THE HOLY QURAN” by Mirza Mahmood Ahmad, the son of PromisedMessiahImamMahdi. This he wrote when English translation of Quran was being launched by Ahmadia- a peaceful community in Islam.
alislam.org/books/invitation/arg5.html
Please read my previous post on this thread:

“(iii) Explanatory notes added to their translations by non-
Muslim authors are inadequate for two reasons :
(a) They have been influenced by the writings of the
opponents of Islam ;
( b ) Their authors had no knowledge of Arabic, or very
little. They were unable to read the larger and more
reliable commentaries. To these commentaries, there-
fore, European translators make no reference. They
refer only to the minor and more popular commen-
taries. If there is a reference to any of the larger
works, it is taken from another work, not from the
original.
(iv) Comprehension of any systematic or scientific book
requires knowledge not only of the language in which the
book is written and of the commentaries on the book which
experts in the language or in the subject may have written.
It also requires close study of the book itself and insight into
the terminology, idiom and fundamentals which the book
employs and from which its contents derive their significance.
Those who seek to interpret the book without a study of
the book itself will have little help from the commentaries.
European translators and commentators of the Quran do not
seem to have made the necessary close study of the Holy Book.
No wonder, therefore, that their comments often border on
the ludicrous.
(v) Every age gives rise to new sciences in the light of which
every book which professes to teach anything is exposed to a
new criticism. The value of a book is either more securely
established or it becomes more doubtful than ever. The Quran
being no exception to the rule, a new commentary of it was
necessary in the light of new knowledge. Without it we
cannot judge how far the Quran is still effective as a teaching
or how far it has surpassed its own record.
When the first commentaries of the Quran were written,
the Bible in Arabic did not exist. There was not one complete
copy. The fragments which had been translated into Arabic
were not available to the commentators of the Quran. When-
ever, therefore, they had to discuss parts of the Quran con-
taining references to the Bible or the Mosaic tradition, they
had to rely on hearsay or their own speculations. Needless
to say, their comments are at times disappointing and at times
ridiculous. European writers attribute their mistakes to the
Quran and hold up the Holy Book to ridicule. They forget
that these commentators did not know the Bible. They relied
on popular accounts or on what they heard from Jewish and
Christian scholars who passed on to the unsuspecting commen-
tators of the Quran material drawn sometimes from their books
of tradition instead of the Bible and sometimes from their own
mischievous imagination. In this transaction the commen-
tators no doubt betrayed simplicity and lack of caution, but the
Jewish and Christian scholars betrayed lack of honesty and
piety. European writers of our time, therefore, have far more
reason to deplore the dishonesty of their forefathers than to
ridicule the Muslim commentators of the Quran. But now
it is different. Now knowledge of the Bible has become com-
mon. Arabic, Latin and Greek works have become accessible
to Muslim scholars and we are able to comment in a new way
upon parts of the Quran which contain references to the Bible
and the Mosaic tradition.
(vi) Until our own time controversy between one religion
and another related less to moral and social ideals and more
to belief and ritual. Because of this the teaching of the Quran
bearing on moral ideas and moral training and on social, econo-
mic, and political relations was never discussed. Today,
however, the world thinks much more in terms of these practical
matters. It was necessary, therefore, to attempt a commentary
which should deal more adequately with the practical teaching
of the Quran.”
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[Verisimilitude]

The value of a book is either more securely established or it becomes more doubtful than ever. The Quran
being no exception to the rule, a new commentary of it was
necessary in the light of new knowledge.
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Like the Energizer Bunny!

OK,
Please do not cut and paste anything for a response. Tell me in your own words. What new knowledge came about? What happened in the 600 years between Jesus and Mohammad that made what Mohamed said new knowledge?

Along with the pagans of the day there were many Jewish and Christian communities which already preached monotheism so the One God is not unique to Arabia.

All that is new is the alleged divine mandate to divide the world into two: Mohammedan and non-Mohammedan. Also new are the oppressive rules that go along with the clear separation rule. Mohamed is at best like Martin Luther, and at worst a wicked demon. What he is not is a true prophet of God.

Why isn’t it a possible that the the spirit in the cave was demonic, and not divine?

 

[paarsurrey]

Hi
We continue knowing important information about Quran from the treatise “INTRODUCTION T O THE STUDY OF THE HOLY QURAN” by Mirza Mahmood Ahmad, the son of PromisedMessiahImamMahdi. This he wrote when English translation of Quran was being launched by Ahmadia- a peaceful community in Islam.
alislam.org/books/invitation/arg5.html
Please read my previous post on this thread:

(vii) “Being a revealed Book the Quran contains prophecies.
A discussion of these prophecies is not possible until after they
have been fulfilled. For this reason also we needed a new
commentary which should enumerate prophecies of the Quran
which have been fulfilled so far and which constitute an impor-
tant part of the proof that the Quran is a revealed Book of God.
(viii) The Quran deals with all other religions and ideologies.
It incorporates in itself the best part of their teaching, points
to their wealmesses and supplies their deficiencies. Early
Muslim commentators were ignorant of what these religions and
ideologies taught and stood for. They were, therefore, unable
to appreciate completely what the Quran had to teach about
them. Now all the most obscure teachings have come to light
so that the teaching of the Quran relating to other teachings
has become evident to its devotees. T o compensate for this
shortcoming in the older commentaries, also, we needed a new
commentary of the Quran.
For these reasons we feel that our Translation and Com-
mentary not only does not call for apology but meets a genuine
and important need. In presenting it we discharge a duty.
We hope that those who read our Translation and Com-
mentary with care and without prejudice will feel constrained
to view Islam from a new angle. We hope that they will
become convinced that true Islam is not full of faults, as
Western writers imagine it to be, but that it is rather a well
laid out garden of the spirit where a visitor may dwell with
every kind of fragrance and beauty and which affords a vision
of the Paradise promised by a11 Teachers of religion.
OTHER REVEALED BOOKS
When the Quran was revealed about 1325 years ago there were
in the world many religions and many religious books. In
and near Arabia there were people who believed in the Old and
the New Testaments. Many Arabs had become Christian or
had developed a leaning towards Christianity. Arabs were
being converted to the Jewish religion. Among converts
were Ka’b b. Ashraf, a Medinite chief and a notorious enemy
of Islam, and his father. Ka’b’s father belonged to the Banu
Tai’ tribe. He became so enamoured of the Jewish faith
that the Jew, Abu Rafi’ b. Abi Haqiq, gave his daughter in
marriage to him and Ka’b was born of this marriage (Al-
Khamis, Vol I). I n Mecca itself, apart from Christian slaves,
there were Meccans who leaned towards Christianity. Waraqa
b. Naufal, cousin of Khadija, the first wife of the Holy Prophet,
entertained the Christian belief. He also had some knowledge
of Hebrew and translated the Hebrew Gospels into Arabic.
We have in Bukhari:
Waraqa b. Naufal had accepted Christianity in the period of
darkness ; and used to translate the Gospels from Hebrew into
Arabic (Bukhari, ch. on Bad’al Wahy).
At the other end of Arabia lived the Iranians, and they also
believed in a Prophet and a book. Though the Zend-Avesta
had suffered changes at human hands, it was yet held in rever-
ence by many hundreds of thousands of believers and a powerful
State was at its back. In India the Vedas had been adored for
thousands of years. There was also the Gita of Sri Krishna
and the teaching of the Buddha. Confucianism held sway in
China but the influence of the Buddha was increasing.
NEED OF THE QURAN
In the presence of all these books and teachings, did the
world need another book ? This is the question which should
occur to everyone who starts upon a study of the Quran. Its
answer will take many forms :
First, was not this division between religion and religion
reason enough for the coming of yet another religion to unite
all ? Secondly, was not the human mind to undergo a process
of evolution similar to that which the human body had already
gone through ? And, just as physical evolution had ultimately
become established, were not mental and spiritual evolution
destined towards an ultimate perfection which was the very
end of human existence ? Thirdly, had not earlier books
become so defective that a new book had now become a
universal necessity which was met by the Quran ? Fourthly,
did earlier religions regard their Messages as absolutely final ?
Did they not believe in continued spiritual progress ? Did
they not continuously assure their followers of a coming
Message which would unite mankind and lead them to their
ultimate objective ?"
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[exoflare]

I guess it’s clear how much this guy listens…

This is worth repeating:

Like the Energizer Bunny!

OK,
Please do not cut and paste anything for a response. Tell me in your own words. What new knowledge came about? What happened in the 600 years between Jesus and Mohammad that made what Mohamed said new knowledge?

 

[paarsurrey]

Hi

We continue knowing important information about Quran from the treatise “INTRODUCTION T O THE STUDY OF THE HOLY QURAN” by Mirza Mahmood Ahmad, the son of PromisedMessiahImamMahdi. This he wrote when English translation of Quran was being launched by Ahmadia- a peaceful community in Islam.
alislam.org/books/invitation/arg5.html
Please read my previous post on this thread:

"The answer to these four questions (mentioned in the previous post) is the answer to the question concerning the need of the Quran in the presence of earlier books and Messages.

We proceed to answer these questions one by one.

Was not division between religion and religion reason enough for the coming of a new Teaching which would unite all earlier teachings?

GOD OF THE BIBLE A NATIONAL GOD

Religion has a twofold purpose: (i) it enables man to meet his
Maker; and (ii) it teaches him his duty towards his fellow-men.

All religions existing at the advent of Islam were not only different but mutually contradictory. The Bible talked not of God, but of the God of Israel. We read in it again and again:

And David said to Abigail, Blessed be the Lord God of Israel, which sent thee this day to meet me (I Samuel 25: 32).
And also thus said the king,
Blessed be the Lord God of Israel, which hath given one to sit on my throne this day, mine eyes even seeing it (I Kings I : 48).
Blessed be the Lord God of Israel for ever and ever. And all the people said, Amen, and praised the Lord (I Chronicles 16: 36).

And he said,
Blessed be the Lord God of Israel, who hath with his hands fulfilled that which he spake with his mouth to my father David, saying . . . (II Chronicles 6 : 4).
“God, the God of Israel, who only doeth wondrous things”
(Psalms 72: 18).

Jesus also regarded himself as a Teacher for Bani Isra’il. If others approached him, he would send them away. In Matthew 1 5 : 21-26 we read :
Then Jesus went thence, and departed into the coasts of Tyre and Sidon. And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David ; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil. But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying,
Send her away; for she crieth after us. But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. But he answered and said,
It is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it to dogs.

Jesus also taught the apostles
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you (Matt. 7 : 6).
VEDAS ALSO A NATIONAL SCRIPTURE

Among the followers of the Vedas, the reading of the Vedas had become so exclusive a prerogative of the high castes that Gotarna Rishi says :
If a Sudra happens to hear the Vedas then it is the king’s duty to drop molten lead and wax into his ears ; if a Sudra were to recite the Vedic Mantras the king should cut off his tongue and if he try to read the Vedas, the king should cut his body
(Gotama Smrti: 12).

The teaching about “foemen” in the Vedas is extreme and barbarous.
In the Atharva-Veda the orthodox are taught to put the non-Vedics in chains and to plunder their houses:
Consume, with lion aspect, all their hamlets, ivith tiger aspect, drive away thy foemen. Sole lord and leader and allied with Indra, seize, conqueror, thine enemies’ possessions. (Atharva-Veda IV, 22 : 7).

Similarly Vedic prayers addressed to the sun, moon, fire,
Indra, and even grass, seek the destruction of the non-Vedic dharmis.
Thus we have :
Bewildering the senses of our foemen, seize thou their bodies and depart, OApva. Attack them, set their hearts on fire and burn them : so let our foes abide in utter darkness.
"Whetting thy bolt and thy sharp blade,
"O Indra, crush thou the foe and scatter “Those who hate us” (Sama-Veda Part II, ix, iii, 9).
Blind, 0 my foemen, shall ye be even as headless serpent. are : may Indra slay each best of you, when Agni’s flame hath struck you down (Sama-Veda Part I I , ix, iii, 8).
"Cleave through, 0 Darbha, amulet, my foes’, my adver-
saries’ heart ;
"Rise thou and batter down their heads " (Atharva-Veda
XIX, 28 : 4).

We also have:

“Do not hold discourses with non-Vedic dharmis” (Gotama-
dharm Sut. v).
Should anyone criticize the Vedas, turn him out of the country, that is, condemn him to a life-sentence (Manu Dharm Shastra)."

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[paarsurrey]

Originally Posted by Verisimilitude
Like the Energizer Bunny!
OK,
Please do not cut and paste anything for a response. Tell me in your own words. What new knowledge came about? What happened in the 600 years between Jesus and Mohammad that made what Mohamed said new knowledge?

I guess it’s clear how much this guy listens…
This is worth repeating:

Hi

The Quran is The prisine word of God revealed on the heart of Muhammad in Arabic, it is as secure and protected as the day it was revealed. Arabic is a sister language of Hebrew and Aramaic. in Arabic a Prophet is called a Nabi, a person who brings fresh news covering all three modes of time, past ,present and future. Quran uncovers truth in things from the unseen world of past, present and future. If you want more I would be writing more.

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[Jedda]

Hi everybody!
To day I used the search feature of the forum for the word Quran. I
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Praise be to Allaah.

Firstly:

Allaah has guaranteed to preserve this Qur’aan Himself. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur’aan) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)”

[al-Hijr 15:9]

Ibn Jareer al-Tabari said in his Tafseer, 14/8:
Allaah is saying, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (Reminder), i.e. the Qur’aan, and We will guard the Qur’aan against anything false being added to it that is not part of it, or anything that is part of it being taken away, whether that has to do with rulings, hudood punishments or matters having to do with inheritance.

Al-Sa’di said in his Tafseer (p. 696):

It is We Who have sent down the Qur’aan in which there is mention of all issues and clear evidence, and in which We remind those who want to be reminded.

“and surely, We will guard it” means, when it is being revealed and after it has been revealed. When it is revealed, We protect it from the tampering of every accursed devil, and after it has been revealed Allaah instilled it in the heart of His Messenger. Allaah protected the words from being changed and from anything being added or taken away, or from its meanings being distorted. So no one can attempt to distort its meanings but Allaah will guide someone to explain the truth of the Qur’aan. This is one of the greatest signs of Allaah and His blessing to His believing slaves. Another aspect of this protection is that Allaah protects the people of the Qur’aan against their enemies, and no enemy can overpower them and eliminate them.

The Qur’aan was revealed to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) in stages over a period of twenty-three years. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And (it is) a Qur’aan which We have divided (into parts), in order that you might recite it to men at intervals. And We have revealed it by stages”

[al-Isra’ 17:106]

al-Sa’di (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

This means, We have revealed this Qur’aan in stages, to differentiate between guidance and misguidance, between truth and falsehood.

“in order that you might recite it to men at intervals” means, slowly, so that they may ponder and think about its meanings, and understand the different branches of knowledge contained therein.

“And We have revealed it by stages” means, gradually, over a period of twenty-three years.

Tafseer al-Sa’di, p. 760.

Secondly:

Literacy was not widespread among the Arabs. Allaah described them in such terms when He said (interpretation of the meaning):

“He it is Who sent among the unlettered ones a Messenger (Muhammad) from among themselves”

[al-Jumu’ah 63:2]

They used to memorize the Qur’aan by heart, and a few of them used to write down some verses or soorahs on animal skins, thin white stones and the like.

Thirdly:

At first the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade the writing of anything other than the Qur’aan, and he forbade them to write down his words for a while, so that the Sahaabah would focus on memorizing the Qur’aan and writing it down, and so that the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) would not be confused with the words of Allaah, and so the Qur’aan was protected from anything being added or taken away.

Fourthly:

 

[Jedda]

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The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) appointed a group of his companions who were trustworthy and knowledgeable to write down the revelation. They are known in their biographies as those who wrote down the Revelation, such as the four Caliphs, ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Amr ibn al-‘Aas, Mu’aawiyah ibn Abi Sufyaan, Zayd ibn Thaabit and others – may Allaah be pleased with them all.

Fifthly:

The Qur’aan was revealed in seven dialects as was narrated in the saheeh hadeeth of ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him) from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). This was narrated by al-Bukhaari (2287) and Muslim (818); these were the dialects of the Arabs which were known for their eloquence.

Sixthly:

The Qur’aan continued to be preserved in the hearts of the Sahaabah who had memorized it, and on the skins and other materials until the time of the caliph Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq (may Allaah be pleased with him). During the Riddah wars many of the Sahaabah who had memorized the Qur’aan were killed, and Abu Bakr (may Allaah be pleased with him) was afraid that the Qur’aan would be lost. So he consulted the senior Sahaabah about compiling the Qur’aan in a single book so that it would remain preserved and would not be lost. He entrusted this mission to the chief of memorizers Zayd ibn Thaabit (may Allaah be pleased with him). Al-Bukhaari narrated in his Saheeh (4986) that Zayd ibn Thaabit (may Allaah be pleased with him) said:

Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq sent for me when the people of al-Yamaamah had been killed *. (I went to him) and found ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab sitting with him. Abu Bakr then said (to me), “ ‘Umar has come to me and said: ‘Casualties were heavy among the Qurra’ of the Qur’aan (i.e. those who knew the Qur’aan by heart) on the day of the battle of al-Yamaamah, and I am afraid that more heavy casualties may take place among the Qurra’ on other battlefields, whereby a large part of the Qur’aan may be lost. Therefore I suggest that you (Abu Bakr) order that the Qur’aan be collected.” I said to 'Umar, “How can you do something that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not do?” 'Umar said, “By Allah, this is something good.” 'Umar kept on urging me to accept his proposal till Allaah opened my heart to it and I began to realize the good in the idea which 'Umar had realized." Then Abu Bakr said (to me). “You are a wise young man and we do not have any suspicion about you, and you used to write the Divine Inspiration for the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). So search for (the fragmentary scripts of) the Qur’aan and compile it in one book." By Allah If they had ordered me to move one of the mountains, it would not have been heavier for me than this ordering me to compile the Qur’aan. Then I said (to Abu Bakr), “How can you do something that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not do?” Abu Bakr replied, “By Allaah, it is a good thing.” Abu Bakr kept on urging me to accept his idea until Allaah opened my heart to that to which He had opened the hearts of Abu Bakr and 'Umar. So I started looking for the Qur’aan and collecting it from (what it was written on) palm stalks, thin white stones and also from the men who knew it by heart, until I found the last Verse of Soorat al-Tawbah with Abu Khuzaymah al-Ansaari, and I did not find it with anybody other than him. The verse is (interpretation of the meaning):

"Verily, there has come unto you a Messenger (Muhammad) from amongst yourselves. It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty…” [al-Tawbah 9:128] until the end of Soorat Baraa’ah (i.e., al-Tawbah).

Then the complete manuscript (copy) of the Qur’aan remained with Abu Bakr until he died, then with 'Umar until the end of his life, and then with Hafsah, the daughter of 'Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him).

The Sahaabi Zayd ibn Thaabit (may Allaah be pleased with him) knew the Qur’aan by heart but he was methodical in his confirmation; he would not agree to write down any verse until two of the Sahaabah testified that they had heard it from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).*

 

[Jedda]

lastly

This Mus-haf (written copy of the Qur’aan) remained in the hands of the caliphs until the time of the Rightly-Guided Caliph ‘Uthmaan ibn ‘Affaan (may Allaah be pleased with him). The Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) had dispersed to different lands, and they used to recite the Qur’aan according to what they had heard of the seven recitations from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and each of their students used to recite according to what he had heard from his shaykh. If a student heard someone reciting in a manner different from what he knew, he would denounce him and accuse him of making a mistake, and this went on until the Sahaabah feared that there would be fitnah (trouble) between the Taabi’een and successive generations. So they thought that they should unite the people in following one recitation, which was in the dialect of Quraysh in which the Qur’aan had first been revealed, so as to dispel any disputes and resolve the matter. ‘Uthmaan (may Allaah be pleased with him) was consulted, and he agreed with this opinion.

Al-Bukhaari narrated in his Saheeh (4988) from Anas ibn Maalik that Hudhayfah ibn al-Yamaan came to ‘Uthmaan at the time when the people of Shaam (Syria) and the people of Iraq were waging war to conquer Armenia and Azerbaijan. Hudhayfah was alarmed by their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur’aan, so he said to 'Uthmaan, “O Ameer al-Mu’mineen! Save this nation before they dispute about the Book (Qur’aan) as the Jews and the Christians did before.” So 'Uthmaan sent a message to Hafsah saying, “Send us the manuscript of the Qur’aan so that we may make copies of the Mus-haf and we will return the manuscript to you.”

Hafsah sent it to 'Uthmaan. Then 'Uthmaan ordered Zayd ibn Thaabit, 'Abdullah ibn al-Zubayr, Sa’eed ibn al-‘Aas and ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn Haarith ibn Hishaam to copy out the manuscripts. 'Uthmaan said to the three men who were from Quraysh (the tribe of which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was a member), “In case you disagree with Zayd ibn Thaabit on any point in the Qur’aan, then write it in the dialect of Quraysh, for the Qur’aan was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, 'Uthmaan returned the original manuscripts to Hafsah.

'Uthmaan sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur’aanic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt.

Ibn Shihaab said: Khaarijah ibn Zayd ibn Thaabit told me that he heard Zayd ibn Thaabit say: “When we made copies of the Mus-haf I missed a verse of al-Ahzaab that I used to hear the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) recite. So we searched for it and we found it with Khuzaymah ibn Thaabit al-Ansaari. (The verse was) ‘Among the believers are men who have been true to their covenant with Allaah’ [al-Ahzaab 33:23 – interpretation of the meaning]. So we put it in its place in its soorah in the Mus-haf.”

Thus an end was put to dispute and the Muslims were united. The Qur’aan has remained and will remain narrated from generation to generation and preserved in men’s hearts until the Day of Resurrection. This is how Allaah has preserved His Book, in confirmation of the verse in which He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur’aan) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)”

[al-Hijr 15:9]

And Allaah knows best.

 

[Verisimilitude]

And Allaah knows best.

Are you Ahmadi as well?

 

[Jedda]

Are you Ahmadi as well?

I am sure our IP’s will say…NO.

 

[Booklover]

Hi

The Quran is The prisine word of God revealed on the heart of Muhammad in Arabic, it is as secure and protected as the day it was revealed. Arabic is a sister language of Hebrew and Aramaic. in Arabic a Prophet is called a Nabi, a person who brings fresh news covering all three modes of time, past ,present and future. Quran uncovers truth in things from the unseen world of past, present and future. If you want more I would be writing more.

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Where is the proof that it was actually revealed to Muhammad??

In this article about the sun and the Quran it can be seen that the observations in the Quran are of human not divine origin.

Vickie

 

[inJESUS]

What is the Quran? it is a collection of apocryphic gospels, Judeo-Christians legends, some orthodox Christian teachings and some Gnostic doctrines in addition to the words of some rabbis. In other words, It’s a salad of doctrines and passages taken from here and there for a period of 23 years or evn before, adding to them some special “privileges” to Muhammad regarding women and sexual relations et voila. Ever word written in this passage can be verified when one reads how many books Muhammad took his ideas from.

 

[inJESUS]

Where is the proof that it was actually revealed to Muhammad??

Vickie

oh it was Khadija. She was give the authority from Allah to teach Muhammad the difference between being demon-possessed and seeing angels.

“Would you please tell me when the spirit comes to you? When Muhammad told her of the spirit’s arrival Khadija said, ‘Muhammad sit on my left thigh.’ Muhammad sat on her left thigh. ‘Do you see the spirit?’ she asked. ‘yes.’ ‘Then sit on my right thigh.’ Muhammad sat on her right thigh. ‘Do you see the spirit?’ ‘yes,’ he answered. ‘Then sit on my lap.’ Muhammad sat on her lap. ‘Do you see the spirit?’ she asked. ‘yes,’ he answered. Khadija uncovered a feminine part of her body while Muhammad was sitting on her lap. ‘Do you see the spirit?’ ‘no,’ he answered. Then Khadija said, ‘Muhammad, that spirit is an angel, not a devil.’” (Hisham, Vol. 2, pp.74-75)

why would an angel feel not ashamed of the thighs but feel ashamed of a face?

and wasn’t he ashamed of coming to Muhammad in the following situation?

He then said to her, “Do not hurt me regarding Aisha, as the Divine Inspirations do not come to me on **any of the beds except that of Aisha.” **On that Um Salama said, “I repent to Allah for hurting you.”

Well Vicky, if Khadija said it was an angel it means it was an angel. No other witness is needed.

 

[exoflare]

Praise be to Allaah.

Firstly:

Allaah has guaranteed to preserve this Qur’aan Himself. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur’aan) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)”

Same old, same old…

How do you know the Quran is from God…?
…it says so, in the Quran.

 

[paarsurrey]

Hi

We continue learning important information about Quran from the treatise “INTRODUCTION TO THE STUDY OF THE HOLY QURAN” by Mirza Mahmood Ahmad, the son of PromisedMessiah. This he wrote when English translation of Quran was being launched by Ahmadia- a peaceful community in Islam.
alislam.org/books/invitation/arg5.html
Please read my previous post on this thread:

The answer to the four questions (mentioned in the previous post) is the answer to the question concerning the need of the Quran in the presence of earlier books and Messages.

We proceed to answer these questions one by one.

“Confucianism and Zoroastrianism also were national religions.
They did not address their Messages to the whole world, nor did they try to teach on any large scale. Just as Hinduism regards India as God’s favoured land, so does Confucianism regard China as God’s own kingdom. There are only two ways to resolve this division and disagreement between religions : either we must hold that there are several gods, or, if God is one, we must prove Him so. Or we must have these conflicting religions replaced by one Teaching. GOD IS ONE
The world is far advanced now. We do not need to labour
over the point that if the world has a Maker, He is and can only
be one Maker.

The God of Israel, the God of the Hindus,
the God of China and the God of Iran are not different. Nor
is the God of Arabia, of Afghanistan and of Europe different.
Nor is the God of the Mongols and the God of the Semites
different. God is one, even as the law to which the world is
subject is one law, and the system which links one part of it
to another is one system.

Science builds itself on the belief
that all natural and mechanical changes are expressions of one
law. The world has one principle-motion, as the materialistic
philosophers assert. Or, it has one Maker. If this is true,
expressions like the God of Israel, the God of the Arabs, the
God of the Hindus, are meaningless. But if God is one, why
should we have so many different religions ? Were they the
product of the human brain ? Was it because of this that every
people worshipped its own God ? If these
religions were not a human product, why and how came this
division between religion and religion ? If ever there was
reason for this division, was it proper that the division should
continue ?

RELIGION NOT A PRODUCT OF HUMAN IMAGINATION
As for the question whether these religions were the product
of human -imagination, the answer is certainly that they were
not and this for several reasons.

Religions well established in the world reveal some dis-
tinguishing features :

First, according to all ordinary standards the Founders were
men of slender means. They had no power or prestige. Yet
they addressed themselves to the great as well as the small and
in due course they and their followers rose from a humble to a
high position in the world. This proves that they were
sustained and supported by a great Power.

Secondly, all Founders of religions have been persons highly
honoured and valued for the purity of their lives even by those
who later, on the announcement of their claims, became their
enemies. I t is inconceivable that those who did not lie about
men, began suddenly to lie about God. The universal acknow-
ledgement of the purity of their lives before the announcement
of their claims is proof of the truth of these claims. The
Quran stresses this point :” Unquote

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