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I address this post to those who may be following this thread, yet not posting to same.
I leave specific replies, to the OP’s questions, to those who are Christians.
I defer to them, in this instance.
In thinking about “Why does God not answer me?” I would comment on the existential questions - that arise from our experience, in traversing human existence.

It is so human, to wonder why no one seems to hears us - often for long periods, in life.
Or why we feel that we, and our need, are not even seen. Not even acknowledged.

Existential pain - the pain that exists, by dint of our mere existence =

-enduring myriad frustrations, that may seem unending
-enduring the hard questions of life
-enduring, when life seems empty, when life seems to have no meaning.
And, from a religious stance:
To be puzzled - when one is, in essence, saying to God - as did the prophet Isaiah:
“Here I am God. Send me.” Followed by a great silence.

*Why? *The great cry of human beings, faced with the losses and the perplexities of human existence.
The existentialist, Albert Camus, stated that life has no intrinsic meaning.
That man creates his/her own meaning, from a stance of revolt againt the absurdity of life.
He called this stance: *L’Homme révolté. *Man, in revolt, against both meaninglessness, and the absurd condition that men and women find themselves in - they having been born into human existence.

From the monotheistic stance, existential pain - the pain inherent in human existence - can only *be *endured, because God hymns an answer. I AM.
[A Christian would state that I AM became incarnate.]

God reaching out to us - in ways that perhaps we will never recognize, here - or at least not recognize until many decades may have passed. Staying by us, all through life. Even when we are in too much pain and frustration to even know this. Maybe particularly, then. For years - for decades, if need be.

To the question ‘Why don’t You answer me?’ - God does not reply, “I do.”
Yet He does reply, eternally - with great mercy: I AM. Which is to say:
“Be still, and know that I am God.” It is in this stillness, that great trust may begin. It’s not so much that the questions fall away, as it is the experience of being held in His heart.
Our own heart quiets, as we rest, like a little bird, in the warmth of His heart.
This requires, of course, that we do not choose to think, with Camus, that life itself is both meaningless and absurd.

reen12
 
Oh this reminds me of the girls who talk about their relationships…

“Oh, I’m not going to marry X because I just don’t feel he is the right one”

Ooookey dokey then.

Feelings might help in small times and places. But you need to be at a certain level of discernment before going with your feelings.

Personally, you’ve mentioned feelings so many times that I’m inclined to say you’ve probably passed up God’s will several times because it didn’t square with your feelings.

God can be logical, too you know. He’s not all about feelings.
 
Oh this reminds me of the girls who talk about their relationships…

“Oh, I’m not going to marry X because I just don’t feel he is the right one”

Ooookey dokey then.

Feelings might help in small times and places. But you need to be at a certain level of discernment before going with your feelings.

Personally, you’ve mentioned feelings so many times that I’m inclined to say you’ve probably passed up God’s will several times because it didn’t square with your feelings.

God can be logical, too you know. He’s not all about feelings.
and in which post exactly have i mentioned feelings?
 
I address this post to those who may be following this thread, yet not posting to same.
I leave specific replies, to the OP’s questions, to those who are Christians.
I defer to them, in this instance.
In thinking about “Why does God not answer me?” I would comment on the existential questions - that arise from our experience, in traversing human existence.

It is so human, to wonder why no one seems to hears us - often for long periods, in life.
Or why we feel that we, and our need, are not even seen. Not even acknowledged.

Existential pain - the pain that exists, by dint of our mere existence =

-enduring myriad frustrations, that may seem unending
-enduring the hard questions of life
-enduring, when life seems empty, when life seems to have no meaning.
And, from a religious stance:
To be puzzled - when one is, in essence, saying to God - as did the prophet Isaiah:
“Here I am God. Send me.” Followed by a great silence.

*Why? *The great cry of human beings, faced with the losses and the perplexities of human existence.
The existentialist, Albert Camus, stated that life has no intrinsic meaning.
That man creates his/her own meaning, from a stance of revolt againt the absurdity of life.
He called this stance: *L’Homme révolté. *Man, in revolt, against both meaninglessness, and the absurd condition that men and women find themselves in - they having been born into human existence.

From the monotheistic stance, existential pain - the pain inherent in human existence - can only *be *endured, because God hymns an answer. I AM.
[A Christian would state that I AM became incarnate.]

God reaching out to us - in ways that perhaps we will never recognize, here - or at least not recognize until many decades may have passed. Staying by us, all through life. Even when we are in too much pain and frustration to even know this. Maybe particularly, then. For years - for decades, if need be.

To the question ‘Why don’t You answer me?’ - God does not reply, “I do.”
Yet He does reply, eternally - with great mercy: I AM. Which is to say:
“Be still, and know that I am God.” It is in this stillness, that great trust may begin. It’s not so much that the questions fall away, as it is the experience of being held in His heart.
Our own heart quiets, as we rest, like a little bird, in the warmth of His heart.
This requires, of course, that we do not choose to think, with Camus, that life itself is both meaningless and absurd.

reen12
you and i are just not from the same planet. i apologize for being the trailer trash, alcoholic, drug addict idiot that i am, and this intamalectual stuff just sounds like it’s from pluto.
 
and in which post exactly have i mentioned feelings?
What are you looking for then when you pray? Do you want Jesus to descend before you and point in a certain direction, or utter a potential spouse’s name?
 
quote: dang71
…this intamalectual stuff just sounds like it’s from pluto.
That what I wrote did not speak to you, is OK.
“Different strokes, for different folks” - as Sly and the
Family Stone assured us.

youtube.com/watch?v=kjX2MKaZ-rg

*[ooooo, sha shah… ] *

quote: dang71
you and i are just not from the same planet. i apologize for being the trailer trash, alcoholic, drug addict idiot that i am…
With regard to your words, above, I do need to tell you that
I’m looney as they come. Spent time on a psych ward,
and in a psych facility, twice. [practicing my vocabulary 😃 -
and how to talk like I come from pluto.] http://bestsmileys.com/cool/1.gif

-and after those experiences, I don’t get wrapped around the axle by much, in life -

Having grown up in the South End, of our area,
I find it hard to take an interest in where anyone else lives.
**
it cost to buy milk in school, 54 years ago.]

I don’t think that God listens, but I pray anyway.
Don’t do Christianity. It’s way too complex for me.

I’m not sending this message from pluto, but neither
am I sending it from Planet Cute.
Life can hurt a lot for a very long time.
The hurt takes different forms, but the heart hurts the same.



reen12
 
Quoting Dang71
How long do i have to wait? i have been praying for some things for almost a DECADE, is that patient enough? prayer has been nothing but useless for me.
Hello again Dang71, I am truly sorry that you are find this so difficult, and it is. I cannot answer your question, Scripture says “My ways are not your ways” and often in my life I find that this is so.
let me tell you about parish priests. when my mom was on her deathbed in the hospital, i called up THREE different priests. not one of them could get up off their lazy posterior to go and give her last rites, simply because she was not an official member of their parish. bunch of jerks.
Again, I am sorry that you and your mother and family had to go through this, and I know of a very similar case.

You are angry and I cannot say that you have no right to be so. All I can say, is talk to God about it all and in your own words and even telling Him of how angry you are. I wrote you tonight into my Daily Intentions book and so will think of you prayerfully every night. I wish I could do more and do feel for you.

Barb:)
 
truthfully, i have absolutely no idea.
As one of the previous posters said, if you don’t even know what your question is, how on earth will you know when you get the answer?

Which particular things in your life are you uncertain of? Which do you want to know God’s will for? Is it career, is it study, is it relationships, is it help to beat a particular problem (sounds like that’s an area where you, along with most of us, can do with prayer) - what?
 
GOD is giving us answers, it’s just that we don’t understand it. We don’t see it beacause, we are are being mislead/blocked by materials, lies, physical. Be simple in life. And don’t worry just keep praying, for the truth is about to overthrown the lies of satan and the evils are doing their last moment to mislead us all and be captured by their lies. Hope is always there and our never ending glorious days is about to come. GOD is With Us.
 
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Dang71 posted:

i am not seeking advice on any one specific thing, but on anything. if God has a plan, then i want to follow that plan. it seems to me there is nothing more important. in each and every decision we make, we need to be choosing God. just randomly choosing a path and hoping God steered me to that path seems way too haphazard for me. risking salvation is not something i want to do.
All God asks is set out for us in The Commandments and what The Church teaches and as longas we are not in the state of Mortal Sin, we can be confident that our good desires etc. are God’s Will for us at a particular time and it is a good desire to want to resolve one’s confusion…we can be very confident that the duties of our state in life are God’s Will for us.

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Dang71 posted:

maybe god is sending me answers and i am just resistant. i am just really frustrated that there is no real clear answer. how do i know it is God speaking to me? how do i know if it is just me fooling myself? how do i know it is not the devil fooling me? it doesn’t seem logical that, for something as important as following God’s will, that there would not be a precise way of determining this.
There is no way for us I don’t think, perhaps a spiritual director could, to determine if you are resisting God’s Will, although if you are in the state of Grace to your knowledge, you are traveling a safe path. I think you need spiritual direction or make an appointment with a priest to talk things out. And from time to time we all need this and some of us have a regular spiritual director we see more or less regularly, some more often than others, and a good decision to have one if it is feasible.

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Dang 71 posted:

the gist of what i am reading here is that, so long as i am not committing mortal sin, then i can pretty much do whatever i want. it still doesn’t make sense to me that there is not a clear way of discerning God’s will. it is so easy to fool ourselves into certain paths that are not good, and although i trust God, i just don’t trust myself. i don’t mean to be resistive, but i just want to do what is right.
*Some truth in what you have to say above and the way to go is to seek spiritual direction or an appointment with a priest or perhaps someone in your parish who may undertake officially something similar to spiritual direction within your parish. *

I think without seeking spiritual advice in some way, there is a potential /possibility for questions to keep occuring to you (or the answers given do not settle right with you) and possibly quite just and even logical type questions, and for you to perhaps just go round in circles more or less without resolving anything, at least in this thread; although I hope I may be wrong and other posters will be helpful to you. If not, seek some kind of spiritual advice as I mentioned above. God bless and resolve all your questions for you.

*Blessings and my regards…Barb:) *
 
I wrote you tonight into my Daily Intentions book and so will think of you prayerfully every night. I wish I could do more and do feel for you.

Barb:)
you are truly a great soul.

from our readings this morning at Mass:
James 5:16
Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The fervent prayer of a righteous person is very powerful.

thank you, may God bless you as well.
 
thanks to everyone for your answers, and i am sorry if sometimes i am a little difficult to play with 😊 there seems to be very good advice here and i will need some time to absorb this into my dull, slow brain. thanks again and i will add all of you to my prayers.
 
quote: dang71 [addressing BarbaraTherese]
you are truly a great soul.
Yes she is, dang71. She is a great soul.

quote: dang71
and i am sorry if sometimes i am a little difficult to play with 😊
No. I don’t find that to be the case, dang71.
I think the idea is to recognize that
we all share the planet, and that
others have hurt and problems, too.

“I am no better and neither are you
We are the same whatever we do.”
-Everyday People. [Sly and the Family Stone]

reen12
 
truthfully, i have absolutely no idea.
Grace builds on nature.

If you do not know what you are looking for, a good place to start is to go towards what you like and offer your good intentions to the Lord. If you do that with an open heart, doors will open and affirmations will occur.

Bring up your concerns when you go to confession; a good priest can help you with your discernment. Basically, if what you desire is NOT sinful, and even better, if it is grounded in charity, you won’t go far wrong.
 
you and i are just not from the same planet. i apologize for being the trailer trash, alcoholic, drug addict idiot that i am, and this intamalectual stuff just sounds like it’s from pluto.
Hold the phone.

Are you alcoholic or drug addicted – recovering or otherwise? If not, please do not toss this out as a joke. On a forum like this, it is very easy to misunderstand. If you are in a 12-step recovery program, you would have access to a lot of support in your discernment.

Are you joking about this or are you serious?
 
quote: mercygate, addressing dang71
Hold the phone.

Are you alcoholic or drug addicted – recovering or otherwise? If not, please do not toss this out as a joke. On a forum like this, it is very easy to misunderstand. If you are in a 12-step recovery program, you would have access to a lot of support in your discernment.

Are you joking about this or are you serious?
Why, in the name of heaven, would anyone “joke”
about such serious matters?

I may make a joke, on life with mental illness, but
I would never “joke” about the existence of same -
nor would I, for a moment, think that another poster
would “joke” about other serious matters, either.

I thought that Barb spoke well to dang71:

quote: BarbaraTherese, addressing dang71
*
I think without seeking spiritual advice in some way, there is a potential /possibility for questions to keep occuring to you (or the answers given do not settle right with you) and possibly quite just and even logical type questions, and for you to perhaps just go round in circles more or less without resolving anything, at least in this thread; although I hope I may be wrong and other posters will be helpful to you. If not, seek some kind of spiritual advice as I mentioned above. God bless and resolve all your questions for you.
I have found, in life, that those with a highly developed
spirituality, are often those who know a great deal about
suffering, and they draw from both their experience - and
from God’s gift of grace - in reaching out to others - and treating
other hurting human beings with the mercy and compassion of God.
And that, to me, is the definition of both sanctity and “spirituality.”

Just my thought.

reen12
 
thanks to everyone for your answers, and i am sorry if sometimes i am a little difficult to play with 😊 there seems to be very good advice here and i will need some time to absorb this into my dull, slow brain. thanks again and i will add all of you to my prayers.
Thank you for the prayers for us D71! I responded to the above in another post into a thread into which you are also posting. Not “difficult” methinks, possibly straightforward and to the point with openhearted honesty. I have a sneaking suspicion that your prayers are powerful. 🙂
 
When things go right for me or upon me, I am always without fail conscious that probably some little contemplative sweating away mopping the brow and happily scrubbing cloister floors for the twentieth time in the day (exaggeration but similar to that - it can happen!) has won the Grace - not me…and I am only the unlikely channel for the Grace - since Grace shines the more brightly the more lowly and dark, unlikely, the channel. Or perhaps some person struggling with great difficulties and praying for self and others has won the Grace. Something like that:thumbsup:
 
For the interested re “Faith Seeking Understanding”. Had a quick look at Catholic Answers front pages and could not find the quote.
Came up with this after a very quick search on the internet:
Theology is “faith seeking understanding (fides quaerens intellectum).” - Anselm of Canterbury
If you put “Faith seeking Understanding” into your browser some really interesting, if quite complex, sites do come up.

Barb:)
 
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