Absorbing Evil and Fr. Richard Rohr

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I don’t know how much longer I’m going to be here, as I am looking to start a new phase of my own spiritual growth and giving up forums might be part of that at some point.
There are times these forums have helped me, and times I got carried away with them. I usually post a lot for a while then go away for several months. Then it’s fun again when I come back.
What I know for myself is: ego and pride are really about fear. It could be that in losing what we thought we were, we’ll find what we really are and that will be God’s workmanship, which has to be be greater than any of our puny efforts.
I agree that ego and pride are driven by fear – the fear of letting go of the “false self” or ego, so that our True Selves may emerge. The false self is just who the ego thinks we are.

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I have listened to many of Fr. Rohr’s talks, read many of his books and attended a few of his conferences. NOT ONCE have I ever heard him indicate that Jesus is not God’s son. Jesus was a guru, he was a great prophet and leader. He was also God’s son. I don’t know how anyone would have gotten that he was not from Father Richard. He talks about the Trinity a lot and that it is of great importance.
 
Fr. Rohr is a voice or reason for individuals of any religion who are seeking a close relationship with God. As a youngster raised in the Catholic Church I learned Catholic principals from the Baltimore Catechism and did not fully understand the necessity of having a close relationship with Jesus Christ. Fr. Rohr’s books and videos simply lead us to an understanding of who we are and why “dual” thinking doesn’t work. He has helped me understand who I am (as a work in progress) and knowing the love of God is paramount in living the life He wants me to live. I find nothing scrupulous in Fr. Rohr’s messages. The term mystic frightens many people. It’s simply surrendering self to God and asking Him to lead the way. So simple yet so hard for those of us who always try to find the answers ourselves. His teachings on contemplation are an important tool in uncovering the why of our existence. How many of us, including our religious leaders, know how to be “still and listen to that still small voice”?
Not many I’m afraid. I believe Pope Francis would enjoy a conversation with Fr. Rohr. I’d love to be in the audience for that one.
 
Fr. Rohr is a voice or reason for individuals of any religion who are seeking a close relationship with God. As a youngster raised in the Catholic Church I learned Catholic principals from the Baltimore Catechism and did not fully understand the necessity of having a close relationship with Jesus Christ. Fr. Rohr’s books and videos simply lead us to an understanding of who we are and why “dual” thinking doesn’t work. He has helped me understand who I am (as a work in progress) and knowing the love of God is paramount in living the life He wants me to live. I find nothing scrupulous in Fr. Rohr’s messages. The term mystic frightens many people. It’s simply surrendering self to God and asking Him to lead the way. So simple yet so hard for those of us who always try to find the answers ourselves. His teachings on contemplation are an important tool in uncovering the why of our existence. How many of us, including our religious leaders, know how to be “still and listen to that still small voice”?
Not many I’m afraid. I believe Pope Francis would enjoy a conversation with Fr. Rohr. I’d love to be in the audience for that one.
Thank you. I will not debate this post.

However, I will add that mixed in with the good are some basic disagreements regarding annoying Catholic fundamental truths. Teaching or preaching dissent of Catholic doctrines may work with the Emerging or New (improved) Christianity or in the Big Tent. However, the idea that anything goes as long as it is sincere is not part of the Catholic Church. Divine Revelation trumps.
 
Absorbing evil means avoiding fueling it by confrontation. We must love not only in thought and in word, but in deed. "If thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst give him to drink (Rom. 12:20) Nowhere is service more necessary or more blessed than when we serve our enemies. How does love conquer? By asking not how the enemy treats her but only how Jesus treated her. The love of our enemies takes us along the way of the cross and into fellowship with the Crucified. As Thomas Merton says: “Our job is to Love without stopping to inquire whether or not they are worthy - that is not our business, and in fact, it is nobody’s business. What we are asked to do is love and this love itself will render both ourselves and our neighbors (or enemies) worthy, if anything can.”
Thank you for that explanation

“Absorbing evil means avoiding fueling it by confrontation.” sounds like an acceptable definition especially when it is followed by “We must love not only in thought and in word, but in deed.” which is the teaching of Jesus Christ.

However, with all the words about love, I wonder how many readers recognized that “Absorbing evil means avoiding fueling it by confrontation.” is clearly inconsistent with the purpose of the Catholic Church.
 
Thank you for that explanation

“Absorbing evil means avoiding fueling it by confrontation.” sounds like an acceptable definition especially when it is followed by “We must love not only in thought and in word, but in deed.” which is the teaching of Jesus Christ.

However, with all the words about love, I wonder how many readers recognized that “Absorbing evil means avoiding fueling it by confrontation.” is clearly inconsistent with the purpose of the Catholic Church.
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Being spiritually strong regarding stealth attacks against our Faith
 
If Richard Rohr was completely orthodox in his teaching, I doubt there would be a 12 page thread about him on this forum. . .
 
If Richard Rohr was completely orthodox in his teaching, I doubt there would be a 12 page thread about him on this forum. . .
I think I’ll stick with the Bible and those that write according to the Bible.
 
I think that article is absolutely correct. I have read most of Fr. Rohr’s books and tapes and even re-read them when I was in University. The result was I was spiritually misguided by his teachings. His ideas are influenced by New Age philosophy and thinking. He sounds very original and authoritative, and has a gentle and talented speaking voice, which helps his message spread.

He intentionally makes himself look like an (objective) outsider to the Church. He paints a picture of him versus the structure of the Church, of which he claims Jesus Himself would oppose. The main problem with Father Richard Rohr is the way he uses language, and doesn’t express himself clearly. He has said many things which can be taken many different ways, and it is not clear which way he means. His language is unclear, at times illogical and contradictory.

For example, he often says that Jesus dying on the cross was not neccesary, he tries to explain why, but the fact is that from any perspective is false according to the Catholic faith.

I just watched a youtube sermon of Fr. Rohr and he said a few times, “God is Mother”.
This is not the faith we got from the apostles, and it certainly isn’t in the scriptures. He is inventing new things and since no one opposes Him, he simply gets away with making up things about God and the Church which are not in accord with God or the Church.

His teaching on sexuality is also dangerous, he claims that God doesn’t care so much about sexual sin. Fr. Rohr’s downplaying of the gravity of sexual sins is scandalous to weak souls.

He also downplays the distinction between man and woman, which is natural considering he calls God “mother”. He supports people who condemn calling homosexual activity a sin. He claims that the church as a whole has “excluded” and “judged” homosexuals, as if it were Church policy to do so, rather than individuals who did so. Therein lies another fault, he piles together the failures of individuals to the Church as a whole. He dislikes the clarity of Church documents and say they are ineffective and don’t convert anyone because they are “too clear”. He believes vague and unclear things are more effective to convert and produce good effects.

One of the things to understand about Fr. Rohr is his positions don’t make logical sense, but he tries to excuse the fact that they don’t. He calls his exceptions to the rules of logic and reason the “tension of opposites” or the “dualistic mind”. There is no clear right and wrong with Fr. Rohr, it is all about the emotions and the will. To him, being absolutely clear on what is right and wrong is wrong. To think there is a clear right and wrong is wrong.

He prides himself though on being learned and reading many books, but somehow missed the fact that something cannot be true and false at the same time.

He seems to claim that he is speaking from his own experience and “inner authority” but actually his authority comes from eastern religions, and new age spirituality/ the occult “the enneagram” . He talks like he is Jesus himself, saying he is a radical, a reformer, an outsider persecuted, but how prideful is that? Is that holiness or pride that labels oneself in such a way?

One of the most devasting things spiritually for me personally was his introducing me to the enneagram.

I became addicted to studying it and thought I knew everything about everyone I knew, all about why they do the things they do etc. But it was all false, there is no scientific proof for it. The enneagram is indeed like all too many of the ideas Fr. Rohr advocates, either made up or simply wrong.

Don’t get sucked in to his books or teachings, they seem to have solid Catholic teaching, as well as ideas that make you feel good and seem rather esoteric, like a secret spirituality and way of thinking that the Church somehow left out, but it’s nothing but new age spirituality mixed with other heresies, sprinkled here and there with truths about Christ and the Church. Father Rohr will initiate you into a world not of the true Church, not of God, while seeming Catholic and good.

Let us pray for Fr. Rohr, and pray that he gets some good sense to give up all that nonsense and come back to reason, and for all he has misguided through his preaching.
 
I think that article is absolutely correct. I have read most of Fr. Rohr’s books and tapes and even re-read them when I was in University. The result was I was spiritually misguided by his teachings. His ideas are influenced by New Age philosophy and thinking. He sounds very original and authoritative, and has a gentle and talented speaking voice, which helps his message spread.

He intentionally makes himself look like an (objective) outsider to the Church. He paints a picture of him versus the structure of the Church, of which he claims Jesus Himself would oppose. The main problem with Father Richard Rohr is the way he uses language, and doesn’t express himself clearly. He has said many things which can be taken many different ways, and it is not clear which way he means. His language is unclear, at times illogical and contradictory.

For example, he often says that Jesus dying on the cross was not neccesary, he tries to explain why, but the fact is that from any perspective is false according to the Catholic faith.

I just watched a youtube sermon of Fr. Rohr and he said a few times, “God is Mother”.
This is not the faith we got from the apostles, and it certainly isn’t in the scriptures. He is inventing new things and since no one opposes Him, he simply gets away with making up things about God and the Church which are not in accord with God or the Church.

His teaching on sexuality is also dangerous, he claims that God doesn’t care so much about sexual sin. Fr. Rohr’s downplaying of the gravity of sexual sins is scandalous to weak souls.

He also downplays the distinction between man and woman, which is natural considering he calls God “mother”. He supports people who condemn calling homosexual activity a sin. He claims that the church as a whole has “excluded” and “judged” homosexuals, as if it were Church policy to do so, rather than individuals who did so. Therein lies another fault, he piles together the failures of individuals to the Church as a whole. He dislikes the clarity of Church documents and say they are ineffective and don’t convert anyone because they are “too clear”. He believes vague and unclear things are more effective to convert and produce good effects.

One of the things to understand about Fr. Rohr is his positions don’t make logical sense, but he tries to excuse the fact that they don’t. He calls his exceptions to the rules of logic and reason the “tension of opposites” or the “dualistic mind”. There is no clear right and wrong with Fr. Rohr, it is all about the emotions and the will. To him, being absolutely clear on what is right and wrong is wrong. To think there is a clear right and wrong is wrong.

He prides himself though on being learned and reading many books, but somehow missed the fact that something cannot be true and false at the same time.

He seems to claim that he is speaking from his own experience and “inner authority” but actually his authority comes from eastern religions, and new age spirituality/ the occult “the enneagram” . He talks like he is Jesus himself, saying he is a radical, a reformer, an outsider persecuted, but how prideful is that? Is that holiness or pride that labels oneself in such a way?

One of the most devasting things spiritually for me personally was his introducing me to the enneagram.

I became addicted to studying it and thought I knew everything about everyone I knew, all about why they do the things they do etc. But it was all false, there is no scientific proof for it. The enneagram is indeed like all too many of the ideas Fr. Rohr advocates, either made up or simply wrong.

Don’t get sucked in to his books or teachings, they seem to have solid Catholic teaching, as well as ideas that make you feel good and seem rather esoteric, like a secret spirituality and way of thinking that the Church somehow left out, but it’s nothing but new age spirituality mixed with other heresies, sprinkled here and there with truths about Christ and the Church. Father Rohr will initiate you into a world not of the true Church, not of God, while seeming Catholic and good.

Let us pray for Fr. Rohr, and pray that he gets some good sense to give up all that nonsense and come back to reason, and for all he has misguided through his preaching.
Prayers are ascending.
 
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