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Former Belgium’s Bruges Bishop Roger Vangheluwe has admitted to
new sex abuse offences. Photo: Reuters


A year after his resignation plunged Belgium’s Catholic Church into crisis, the former bishop of Bruges has provoked almost universal condemnation by admitting to new sex-abuse offences.

Roger Vangheluwe told Belgian television that he abused one nephew for 13 years and another for nearly a year - but he did not think he was a paedophile.


Read more: smh.com.au/world/abuse-confession-20110416-1diu6.html#ixzz1JhIUCRlT
 
The Roman Catholic Church was back in the dock on Friday as Belgium reacted with fury to new child sex abuse horrors admitted by an ex-bishop sent into French exile rather than facing justice.

Roger Vangheluwe told Dutch-language Belgian VT4 television on Thursday night that he abused one nephew for 13 years and another for nearly 12 months, but that there was “no penetration” and he didn’t think he was a paedophile.

news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/church-backlash-over-new-child-sex-charges-20110415-1dhv4.html
 
The Roman Catholic Church was back in the dock on Friday as Belgium reacted with fury to new child sex abuse horrors admitted by an ex-bishop sent into French exile rather than facing justice.

Roger Vangheluwe told Dutch-language Belgian VT4 television on Thursday night that he abused one nephew for 13 years and another for nearly 12 months, but that there was “no penetration” and he didn’t think he was a paedophile.

news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/church-backlash-over-new-child-sex-charges-20110415-1dhv4.html
Sent into exile?

Is the man actually facing secular legal charges? If so, can’t they ‘round him up?’
I think he is a sad sick man but really, why are they blaming the Church? The Church didn’t teach him to do these things and so far as I can tell, the Church wouldn’t stop any government from bringing him in on criminal charges, right?
 
Sent into exile?

Is the man actually facing secular legal charges? If so, can’t they ‘round him up?’
I don’t know anything about the case. However, it appears he can’t be charged because the crimes occurred so long ago:
Church officials said that Mr Vangheluwe would not be prosecuted because the crime had not been reported within the country’s statute of limitations, understood to be ten years after the victim turns 18 for cases of child sex abuse.
timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article7106284.ece
 
Roger Vangheluwe told Dutch-language Belgian VT4 television on Thursday night that he abused one nephew for 13 years and another for nearly 12 months, but that there was “no penetration” and he didn’t think he was a paedophile.
Disgusting… what went wrong in the church?? I blame the communist infiltration of the church.
 
“He said the abuse ended when one of the nephews told his family, but that it was agreed it would remain within the family and Vangheluwe says he paid millions of old Belgian francs to the victim.”

Why would the victim’s family – the ex-bishop’s family – keep silent? Where did the money come from?

The church should severe ties with this man, and do everything it can to make things right.
 
“He said the abuse ended when one of the nephews told his family, but that it was agreed it would remain within the family and Vangheluwe says he paid millions of old Belgian francs to the victim.”

Why would the victim’s family – the ex-bishop’s family – keep silent? Where did the money come from?

The church should severe ties with this man, and do everything it can to make things right.
The Church can’t sever ties with Bishop Vangheluwe. He is a Catholic and a bishop ad-aeternum. Bishop Vangheluwe needs to repent and reconcile with the Church in the Sacrament of Reconciliation. He is subject to whatever civil and criminal laws are applicable.
 
I don’t know anything about the case. However, it appears he can’t be charged because the crimes occurred so long ago:

timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article7106284.ece
But the Church wasn’t the institution that decided on the statute of limitations, right?

I mean, I get so tired of seeing “Church backlash over abuse charges” when it’s not like the Church was ‘stealing the guy away and hiding him from justice’. Yet that’s the impression one often gets from the media --that somehow the Church is this huge evil empire with ‘safe houses’ and that people who would otherwise be in prison somewhere (<<cough, Cardinal Law, cough>>) are not only evil because the Church promoted the abuse, condoned the abuse, hid the abuse, etc. but that the Church is also promoting, condoning, and hiding the abusers FROM justice. Bah.

Why aren’t the people demanding that the Belgian government do something about the law?
 
“He said the abuse ended when one of the nephews told his family, but that it was agreed it would remain within the family and Vangheluwe says he paid millions of old Belgian francs to the victim.”

Why would the victim’s family – the ex-bishop’s family – keep silent? Where did the money come from?

The church should severe ties with this man, and do everything it can to make things right.
It was, an possibly still is, common to keep this sort of thing “quiet” so as not to further traumatize the child by having to recount the crimes or perhaps even testify.

A lot of the Church’s actions were taken on then-current psychological advice regarding both victims and perpetrators.
 
I always love hearing the phrase "It’s not about the money"this is an obvious case where the parents didn’t want the scandal so took the money as a silencer and now the victims are old enough to talk for themselves and have noticed the huge monetary settlements in other countries , and feel cheated (by the way ,what did their parents use the original money for ?)…,.The litigation lawyers all over the world are having a field day with these accusations and in my opinion it’s not the Church they should be suing it’s their own parents ,because they were complicit in the coverups.Amazing how the family honor can be soothed with money blankets
 
“He said the abuse ended when one of the nephews told his family, but that it was agreed it would remain within the family and Vangheluwe says he paid millions of old Belgian francs to the victim.”

Why would the victim’s family – the ex-bishop’s family – keep silent? Where did the money come from?

The church should severe ties with this man, and do everything it can to make things right.
The Church can’t sever ties with Bishop Vangheluwe. He is a Catholic and a bishop ad-aeternum. Bishop Vangheluwe needs to repent and reconcile with the Church in the Sacrament of Reconciliation. He is subject to whatever civil and criminal laws are applicable.
I understand the church can’t disconnect spiritually with the man anymore than it can with any other sinner. But legally (in some respects), morally and ethically the church can demonstrate it will not stand with the disturbing (“no penetration”) comments made by him.
The church should not hide behind it’s own legalism, either. Like “bishop ad-aetemum”, although that is something you mentioned here, not a church official.
The man said he had repented, but his published public statements didn’t strike me as contrite, only infuriating.
Apparently, criminal charges are not in the cards, but I hope so. Let a criminal court decide. Civilally, I wonder who will foot the bill for him playing non-penetrating footsy with a child nephew.
Speaking of money… I still wonder where did the millions of francs come from?

The fact of the matter is that public perception matters. The scandal – and how it is handled – potential keeps souls from finding salvation. Deal with it truthfully and ethically in public as much as possible; the results will only be good.
It was, an possibly still is, common to keep this sort of thing “quiet” so as not to further traumatize the child by having to recount the crimes or perhaps even testify.

A lot of the Church’s actions were taken on then-current psychological advice regarding both victims and perpetrators.
Yes, in many cases that is true, at least to some degree. That fact should be explained and discussed. It should be because I think at times some perps and their enablers used it to avoid accountablity. We’re walking a fine line there.
I always love hearing the phrase "It’s not about the money"this is an obvious case where the parents didn’t want the scandal so took the money as a silencer and now the victims are old enough to talk for themselves and have noticed the huge monetary settlements in other countries , and feel cheated (by the way ,what did their parents use the original money for ?)…,.The litigation lawyers all over the world are having a field day with these accusations and in my opinion it’s not the Church they should be suing it’s their own parents ,because they were complicit in the coverups.Amazing how the family honor can be soothed with money blankets
You said what I was thinking but maybe was afraid to say. I think some parents cashed in on the tragedies.
Many parents, however, honestly believed it was best or were swayed, as poster StFrancis pointed out, with what was believed to be the correct information at the time.

But your opinion is one of the 800-pound gorillas in the room and one of my pet peeves in the scandal – why are not some parents not being taken to task for not protecting their kids from these pedophile priests. It is not just the church that should be blamed.
 
I understand the church can’t disconnect spiritually with the man anymore than it can with any other sinner. But legally (in some respects), morally and ethically the church can demonstrate it will not stand with the disturbing (“no penetration”) comments made by him.
The church should not hide behind it’s own legalism, either. Like “bishop ad-aetemum”, although that is something you mentioned here, not a church official.
That’s not legalism, it’s dogma.
 
“He said the abuse ended when one of the nephews told his family, but that it was agreed it would remain within the family and Vangheluwe says he paid millions of old Belgian francs to the victim.”

Why would the victim’s family – the ex-bishop’s family – keep silent? Where did the money come from?

The church should severe ties with this man, and do everything it can to make things right.
Makes you hanker for the days when we would have burned him at the stake!
 
I understand the church can’t disconnect spiritually with the man anymore than it can with any other sinner. But legally (in some respects), morally and ethically the church can demonstrate it will not stand with the disturbing (“no penetration”) comments made by him.
The church should not hide behind it’s own legalism, either. Like “bishop ad-aetemum”, although that is something you mentioned here, not a church official.
The man said he had repented, but his published public statements didn’t strike me as contrite, only infuriating.
Apparently, criminal charges are not in the cards, but I hope so. Let a criminal court decide. Civilally, I wonder who will foot the bill for him playing non-penetrating footsy with a child nephew.
Speaking of money… I still wonder where did the millions of francs come from?

The fact of the matter is that public perception matters. The scandal – and how it is handled – potential keeps souls from finding salvation. Deal with it truthfully and ethically in public as much as possible; the results will only be good.

Yes, in many cases that is true, at least to some degree. That fact should be explained and discussed. It should be because I think at times some perps and their enablers used it to avoid accountablity. We’re walking a fine line there.

You said what I was thinking but maybe was afraid to say. I think some parents cashed in on the tragedies.
Many parents, however, honestly believed it was best or were swayed, as poster StFrancis pointed out, with what was believed to be the correct information at the time.

But your opinion is one of the 800-pound gorillas in the room and one of my pet peeves in the scandal – why are not some parents not being taken to task for not protecting their kids from these pedophile priests. It is not just the church that should be blamed.
Firstly, in the “old days”, people were raised to respect and trust their priests explicitly. They didn’t discuss sexual molestation with children very much, and they certainly would NOT discuss the possibility of a holy priest and uncle, mind you, would possibly molest them. When the child returned from the retreat, the parents would not ask if dear Uncle Father whatshisname touched him inappropriately. Please. It is not the parents fault the children were molested. Talk about blaming the victim.

However, the money thing… well, money talks. And on top of it, the disgrace and scandal on the entire family (molested people were very much shunned back then), along with money (possibly much needed), tempted them to do the wrong thing. Heck, I have to wrestle with myself when a cashier gives me too much change. Its a very hard thing for people.

But the behavior of this man, it is beyond disgusting.

Sometimes it just feels like it will never end. Praying so hard that the Church handles all this well. We sure should - can’t say we haven’t had enough practice.
 
I understand what you’re saying, sojo. I am not blamong the victim, however. I am wondering aloud on the motivation of some of the people that were supposed to protect the children.
I “Get it” that things were different back in the 50s, 60s and 70s. We should not judge people back then by today’s sensabilities.

Here’s what I think but haven’t said to critics of the church, peoplke that would likely say what you stated regarding parents, kids and sex decades ago:

If the news media, for example, is not going to question the parents behavior because of the prevailing attitudes of the day, why then be so critical of the church, which was often just following the advise of mental health experts and lawyers?
 
Dogma smogma. The church should stand for what is right and distance itself from ad aetemum’s disgusting remarks.
The Church has not endorsed the bishop’s remarks. I’m pointing out the fact that he is a Catholic bishop forever.
 
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