Acceptible prejudice

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Gemma, that was probably the only food the poor girl had in like a week.
Assuming she kept it down…
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Besides which, no one can eat that badly on a consistent basis and it not catch up with them. Maybe she won’t gain weight but she’ll definitely have health problems.
Too true. She might also gain weight later, when her metab slows down, becomes less active, whatever. Even if not, the trans-fats, cholesterol, sodium, carcinogens etc will do wonders for her life expectancy – NOT.

I’ve known athletic types in school who go to pot (pun intended) when they get out into the 9-5 world. They no longer work out like athletes, but they still eat like athletes.

I also know of others who are rail-thin and eat what they want. Metabolism and heredity play powerful roles, and “husky” types who try desperately to lose just a few pounds.

I also know too many people who are obsessed with *weight *and not health and fitness. They’ll “diet” by eating tiny portions of particular foods from a very restricted selection, ignoring large sections of nutrients that are necessary for life and proper bodily functioning.
 
I’ve been overweight my entire life. I have been picked on my entire life as well. I am trying now to lose weight (Lost about fifteen pounds so far) by eating right and excercising (I know! Crazy eh? Lol) and I must say that the world really is prejudice against people who aren’t “perfect”. Along with being overweight, I also have lousy hearing, and so my best friend (who is also hearing impaired) will commonly use ASL to communicate, especially in a noisy situation like a resturaunt or the mall or something (It’s just easier, and we don’t sound like old ladies “What?!? What did you say?”) And you should SEE some of the looks people give us when we are “talking” in public. I tell you, if looks could kill…
 
I don’t feel there is any comparison… I have never really sensed a person’s prejudice against a fat person…
I have. And not just directed at me.

Look at the images that are thrust in our face daily. How often is an overweight actor/singer/celebrity – especially a woman – portrayed as a figure of physical beauty? Rarely, unless it’s one of those particular articles about “plus-size gals” (why do they always call them “gals”? 🤷).

All the celebrity mags and tabloids go into a frenzy when a star – especially a woman – puts on a few extra pounds. All those paparazzi-stalker shots at the beach, showing Miss Holly Wood with – gasp! – a muffin top over her bikini. Or Big Joe Malibu with – say it ain’t so, Joe! – a keg instead of a six-pack.

What these pictorials say is, in essence: Look, folks, isn’t this UGLY?? They are FAT!! Why can’t they be *thin *and *pretty *for us? They are letting us down!! They are grossing us out by displaying their imperfect humanity!! For shame!!!

Why do you think there is such a prevalence of eating disorders, not just among the celebs, but among our youth? We have been conditioned to believe that fat is ugly – and the limit of what is considered beauty is getting narrower and narrower, such that average weight is now being considered above-average fatness.

But I also disagree with the burgeoning backlash against thin people. While it is wrong to push and exalt thinness over all other human forms, it is just as wrong to insult or otherwise demean people who are naturally thin (ectomorphic). Some people, in a misguided attempt to encourage body positivity in larger-size women, for example, some have gone as far as to say that thin women are “ugly” and “unfeminine”. :eek: This is progress?

God made us all in His image and likeness.
And he shall grow up as a tender plant before him, and as a root out of a thirsty ground: there is no beauty in him, nor comeliness: and we have seen him, and there was no sightliness, that we should be desirous of him. (Is 53:2, DRV)
Think Jesus would win any beauty contests today?
 
I think there are many acceptable prejudices - and they all revolve around been different to the norm.

I concur with the person with speech problems. I spent a year in speech therapy as a child which only stopped due to financial reasons. It was helpful, but there are still days I just can’t talk well enough to be understood without having to repeat myself 5 times. Some people don’t have the decency to say “pardon”… believe me when I say I know it is a problem. It’s more frustrating for me than for any one else

There there are those who are overweight (fit in this category too).

Or abnormally tall… Australia isn’t basketball mad and every man I’ve met who is getting close to the 7 foot mark has a permanent hunchback.

Or the wrong colour skin (and not just whites… )

Or hair that just doesn’t do what it is told…

I could go on for days. People are nasty… and there is no limit to acceptable prejudices these days.
Sadly, this is true. And what is accepted varies from group to group. There are folks who sit around and tell racist jokes, sexist jokes, ethinic jokes, religious jokes, etc. IOW, folks who have no problem with certain prejudices. It can even be regional, for crying out loud. I’m from the South but live in Los Angeles. In a big city like L.A. some people think of Southerners as stupid and in Tennessee some folks think everyone in California is a nut (some of us are :p). Stereotyping and prejudice lead to discrimination. It’s sad and it’s wrong. :o
 
I concur with the person with speech problems. I spent a year in speech therapy as a child which only stopped due to financial reasons. It was helpful, but there are still days I just can’t talk well enough to be understood without having to repeat myself 5 times. Some people don’t have the decency to say “pardon”… believe me when I say I know it is a problem. It’s more frustrating for me than for any one else
It’s frustrating for me as well, when I cannot understand someone, either because of a speech problem or a language barrier.

I have a job now (yay for me!), working retail. I deal with hundreds of customers a day. I sometimes have to deal with a person who is ESL, and their English skills vs my comprehension skills make for a very poor show.

Thing is, I don’t think “Gee, I wish this yumyum spoke English gooder”; I’m more likely to feel embarrassed, stupid, etc that I cannot understand them – that the deficiency lies totally with me, not them. When the dreaded Language Barrier rears its ugly head, I often feel a bit intimidated – that I’m the one who is deficient in understanding, that everything would be OK if only I *understood *better.

I think if you came into my store on one of your bad days, and you had to repeat yourself as you mentioned, I bet dollars to donuts I’d feel worse than you. I’d feel like I let you down.

Does this make any sense to you?
 
Gemma, that was probably the only food the poor girl had in like a week.
**I’m not sure if you’re kidding here or not, but with her leather jacket, manicured nails, stylish clothing, jewelry and “perfect” hair, she was far from poor (except maybe spiritually so). Her boyfriend was a more or less perfect match for her - leather coat, styled hair, gold chains, etc. … Both coming from a night at the bar or club.

It was impossible not to know all this since they were sitting in a booth across from us at a diner.

(I was there with two friends. We had a tradition of ending our work week by meeting at the diner for a late Friday night dinner and then staying and chatting over coffee until about 2:00 A.M. The waitress was our friend and didn’t mind refilling our coffees or our occupying her station for hours, and of course we always tipped her quite well in return, and often drove her home since her shift ended at 2:00 A.M.)**

Besides which, no one can eat that badly on a consistent basis and it not catch up with them. Maybe she won’t gain weight but she’ll definitely have health problems.
**You’re right that it will catch up with her one day. She probably isn’t gaining weight now because a lot of these club party-girls keep looking “perfect” so they will keep their “perfect” boyfriend by upchucking most of what they’ve eaten.

(And I know this by hearing it on many occasions from the other ladies’ room stall.) It’s so sad… So many young people these days live to party, live to go out each night to drink and dance, live for expensive designer clothes and pieces of gold jewelry that obviously cost thousands of dollars, hundred dollar hairdos, exquisite manicures and pedicures, and never a thought of God.

**
 
Gemma, I didn’t mean poor as in materially poor, I meant poor as in I kinda feel sorry for her somehow.

Most likely she is indeed in the grips of a vicious binge-n-purge or binge-n-starve cycle which is as much its own special sort of hell as the binge-n-binge-again type of food issue, or indeed any other.
 
I think there are many acceptable prejudices - and they all revolve around being different to the norm.
A couple of other acceptable prejudices are those against those at either end of the age spectrum - including children, those 15-25 and those 50 plus.

Also against the never married - shown by people asking us the type of personal questions eg “have you been too picky” or “are you too selfish” they would not ask married people.

Also there is still a prejudice against left-handers - less now that there are left-handed scissors and gadgets that can be used equally easily by left or right-handers. Being told we are “sinister” also shows this prejudice.

Think there is also a prejudice against bald men - maybe this is why some guys losing their hair shave their heads. Not the same overt prejudice against women who are bald mainly because most hide it with a wig - maybe because of the prejudice against bald women (unless they have lost their hair from disease or from chemotherapy.)
 
Don’t forget about predjudices against gay people. I’m not talking law wise, but many people supported the murderers of Matthew Sheppard for instance.
 
It’s frustrating for me as well, when I cannot understand someone, either because of a speech problem or a language barrier.

I have a job now (yay for me!), working retail. I deal with hundreds of customers a day. I sometimes have to deal with a person who is ESL, and their English skills vs my comprehension skills make for a very poor show.

Thing is, I don’t think “Gee, I wish this yumyum spoke English gooder”; I’m more likely to feel embarrassed, stupid, etc that I cannot understand them – that the deficiency lies totally with me, not them. When the dreaded Language Barrier rears its ugly head, I often feel a bit intimidated – that I’m the one who is deficient in understanding, that everything would be OK if only I *understood *better.

I think if you came into my store on one of your bad days, and you had to repeat yourself as you mentioned, I bet dollars to donuts I’d feel worse than you. I’d feel like I let you down.

Does this make any sense to you?
Yeah, it does. Kinda. I suppose I don’t come in contact with folks like you all too often because if I don’t have to talk to someone on my ‘bad’ days I don’t. You wouldn’t have to serve me.

It’s when I’m at work that it is a big problem - and its compounded by the fact that I’m the boss. I can’t not go and the boss gets scrutized constantly by the staff. Maybe its just desserts. In hindsight I could have been nicer to a few previous bosses and just didn’t realise the **** they put up with.
 
A couple of other acceptable prejudices are those against those at either end of the age spectrum - including children, those 15-25 and those 50 plus.
True. All teenagers are lazy slobs with no morals. All seniors are senile and just don’t understand the age we live in.
Also against the never married - shown by people asking us the type of personal questions eg “have you been too picky” or “are you too selfish” they would not ask married people.
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I don’t know if I’d count this as a prejudice though. Rude certainly, but are people who are single really treated differently than those who are married? Not in a way that creates a great problem from what I have experienced (and I won’t ever marry).

We need to remember when discussing prejudices that rudeness is not a prejudice, nor is necessary getting treated different. Rudeness is just lack of manners, and been treated different a fact of life. Prejudice suggests that there is a significant negative attached to a state and that has serious negative consequences for those who hold it.

We treat (or should) pregnant mothers differently on a bus - ie. we give them our seat. Is that prejudice towards pregnant ladies? Are we suggesting that because they are pregnant they are unable to stand up on their own legs? No.
 
I absolutely believe that prejudice toward Catholics is rampant and acceptable. Think of the hateful things that Bill Mahrer (spelling) and Kathy Griffin (again spelling) have said about Catholics in recent times. They would not dare to utter anything so hateful about a certain prophet or religion, but with Catholics, it is just fine.
 
Don’t forget about predjudices against gay people. I’m not talking law wise, but many people supported the murderers of Matthew Sheppard for instance.
and that against transgender people
 
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I don’t know if I’d count this as a prejudice though. Rude certainly, but are people who are single really treated differently than those who are married? Not in a way that creates a great problem from what I have experienced (and I won’t ever marry).
It certainly isn’t a prejudice in the same category as that against some of the other groups we have been discussing eg against gays and lesbians and against overweight people.

Think the prejudice against the never married has reduced over the years, I used to get sick and tired of being told in the 1970’s and 1980’s that we were the real rich because we could spend all our salary on ourselves.

My reply was, that in their terms, couples without children were potentially richer if both were working. Same outgoings on many things eg rent/mortgage payments and not a doubling of everthing eg power, food cheaper per unit for larger sizes.
We need to remember when discussing prejudices that rudeness is not a prejudice, nor is necessary getting treated different. Rudeness is just lack of manners, and been treated different a fact of life. Prejudice suggests that there is a significant negative attached to a state and that has serious negative consequences for those who hold it.

We treat (or should) pregnant mothers differently on a bus - ie. we give them our seat. Is that prejudice towards pregnant ladies? Are we suggesting that because they are pregnant they are unable to stand up on their own legs? No.
Agree, that different treatment based on a particular need is not prejudice. Standing for a pregnant woman is good manners and consideration. Yes, unless she is very, very, pregnant she could stand but she may be uncomfortable and there is the danger of potential injury not only to her but to her unborn baby if the bus has to stop quickly. Same reason to stand for an elderly person or someone with a cast on their leg…
 
I absolutely believe that prejudice toward Catholics is rampant and acceptable. Think of the hateful things that Bill Mahrer (spelling) and Kathy Griffin (again spelling) have said about Catholics in recent times. They would not dare to utter anything so hateful about a certain prophet or religion, but with Catholics, it is just fine.
I couldn’t agree more. I positively despise the things Mahrer says about the Church.
 
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GemmaRose:
Suzanne Somers probably has the best diet for regulating hormones. Have you heard of it?

If a person just cut out sugar - or cut it out most of the time, he/she would probably keep the wt. down. But then there are good sugars too (raw honey).

anyway, i don’t live in a cave. Maybe i don’t see the prejudice against heavy people because i myself have never been prejudiced against them (or anyone, really). If i have a prejudice, it is WAY in the subconscious… and if discovered, i will give it to Jesus. He is the great Equilizer. 🙂
 
Now that I can’t pump iron, due to an AC Joint injury, I feel discriminated against for having a slight build. No kidding.😦
 
I don’t know if I’d count this as a prejudice though. Rude certainly, but are people who are single really treated differently than those who are married?
Yes. It often depends on the organization you work for, but oftentimes married people – especially those with children – are allowed all sorts of “time off” – got to leave work early to pick up the kids/make dinner, can’t work in the evenings/weekends, can’t go away on taskings, etc. No such excuse for us single guys – we were expected to clock in/out on the dot, stay late, work every exercise, etc. I didn’t mind doing the duties in my terms of reference – but you got tired after a while of other folks getting all sorts of breaks because of marital status.

I remember a number of years we were scrambling to find people to send to the various military schools as instructors. Commanding officer decided it wouldn’t be “fair” to send any of the seven other eligible people, as they all had “families” and it would have too much of a “serious impact”. So I got sent instead (which necessitated me cancelling a lot of plans, including a plane trip and a college course), since I was single and didn’t “have a family”.

Note that in each of the other cases, the CO *asked *each if they wanted to go. Upon receiving negatives, I was not asked, but ordered – solely because of my marital status.

This would happen for a number of years – only one year, the Group Commander said to me, “Sarge, I think we’ve sent you away enough…let’s give someone else a chance.” So he then asked one of my colleagues (who had heretofore not been tasked) to go on a tasking – she said, “I don’t want to leave my kids all summer. Why not send him? He doesn’t have a family.” Now, this colleague is a friend, and I love her dearly, but I told her off: “Why do I have to do extra work because of *your *lifestyle choice?”

Now I’m not saying it’s all beer and skittles on the married side of the fence. From people that I’ve spoken with, the attitude above is typical for what’s called “family-friendly” organizations – in other words, no family, no friendly.

On the other hand, there is a whole sector that discriminates in the opposite way: if you want to progress/prosper/survive, you better not have any interests/allegiances outside the Company. One firm that my Donna applied for basically told her in an interview not to bother taking vacation time – everyone took vacation pay instead; taking vacation was seen as being “disloyal”. This seems to be a big thing with any company that bills itself in its want-ads as “fast-paced”, “dynamic”, “forward-thinking”, etc, all the business euphemisms for “no life outside the office”. You are expected to arrive early, leave late, work through lunch, and be ready to come in at the drop of a hat and work all hours on a project – in addition to take-home work.

On a similar side note: recruits in some branches of the Forces (notably the Marines) were discouraged from marriage. As one Marine NCO put it: “If the Corps wanted you to have a wife, you’d have been issued with one.”
 
I haven’t seen anybody mention the almost ubiquitous prejudice against men yet, but I am always well aware of it in advertising, television programming, and public conversation. You’d think men were all fat, clueless, beer-guzzling, sports-watching, lazy, uneducated, insensitive, unappreciative neanderthals. :rolleyes:
 
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