Accepting Jesus as Personal Lord and Savior

[jmcrae]

How does committing adultery translate into meaning that person does not want to spend eternity with God?

St. John says he who does not love the one he can see, cannot love God whom he cannot see. That’s somewhere in chapter 4 of his first epistle.

So, if the person does not love his own spouse enough not to betray her by committing adultery (she whom he can see) then how much does he love God, whom he cannot see? Thus, to commit adultery is grave matter.

Also, I think it is common knowledge that adultery goes against God’s law, the Ten Commandments, so the criteria of “full knowledge” is met, in most cases. (I have run into people who say they can’t figure out why it’s bad, but these are few and far between. Most people understand that it’s wrong.)

It is difficult to imagine being forced against one’s will to have an affair - there aren’t many bosses who make it a condition of employment, and there are very few people going around with guns making people get together and have affairs. So, the criteria of full consent of the will is also present, at least most of the time.

Is there some kind of list somewhere of what these mortal sins are? I need to be clear what a mortal sin is. Do you have that list or do I need to ask someone else?

It’s called The Ten Commandments. You find them in Exodus 20:1-17. Jesus also does an exposition on them in the Sermon on the Mount, which you can find in Matthew chapters 5 through 7.

If that’s too complicated for you, just google “Examination of Conscience” and something simple enough for you to use will surely pop up.

How do harmonize this with the teaching that if you die in a state of mortal sin you will go to hell?

God never stops loving us, even when we are in Hell. We go to Hell because we didn’t love Him enough. Not because He didn’t love us enough.

 

[jfallaw]

How does committing adultery translate into meaning that person does not want to spend eternity with God?

Seriously?

Matt 5:27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’
28 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
29 If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell.
30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell.

Jesus Himself clearly said that adultery is a sin that can send us to hell.

 

[RobGentner]

Christ took care of sin though. He paid the price in full for those who believe in Him for salvation. Secondly, is our salvation dependent on our own free will?

**Christ objectively paid the price required that ALL PEOPLE “could” be saved. It is up to each individual to subjectively “accept” that payment. Otherwise with the debt already paid “EVERYONE” would be in Heaven, wouldn’t they? By that I mean EVERYONE!
Our damnation is dependent solely on people not following Jesus’ real church’s teachings. He established that church 2,000 years ago.He and His Blessed Mother, whom the Angel said was “Full of Grace” (Call her “highly favored”, I dare you ) watches over the CC now and until He comes again. **

 

[RobGentner]

Seriously?

Matt 5:27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’
28 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
29 If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell.
30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell.

Jesus Himself clearly said that adultery is a sin that can send us to hell.

**Hi, jfallaw,
Boy, Now you done it! We were keeping those passages away from JustAsking4 because they are “Sola Scriptura”.:bigyikes:
Now look at what you did! YOU are going to have to explain all their plucked out right eyes and cut off right hands. I don’t even want to be a part of that!

Be careful, you know that there are verses that might make then become suicidal because of all their false beliefs. **

 

[jfallaw]

**Hi, jfallaw,
Boy, Now you done it! We were keeping those passages away from JustAsking4 because they are “Sola Scriptura”.:bigyikes:
Now look at what you did! YOU are going to have to explain all their plucked out right eyes and cut off right hands. I don’t even want to be a part of that!

Be careful, you know that there are verses that might make then become suicidal because of all their false beliefs. **

LOL! Well, I have found that it is pretty pointless to reason with protestants using anything other than the Bible. They simply will not believe anything the Church teaches unless it can be clearly shown in the Bible. And even then they probably won’t believe it, because a Catholic showed them, so obviously we are just not reading it right! There is plenty of Scriptural support for Tradition, the Apostolic Succession- just about everything the Church teaches, and we have quoted the Bible over and over again here to explain it. Yet… they still don’t believe a word of it.

 

[jfallaw]

**Hi, jfallaw,
Boy, Now you done it! We were keeping those passages away from JustAsking4 because they are “Sola Scriptura”.:bigyikes:
Now look at what you did! YOU are going to have to explain all their plucked out right eyes and cut off right hands. I don’t even want to be a part of that!

Be careful, you know that there are verses that might make then become suicidal because of all their false beliefs. **

HAHA I didn’t even notice the detail of the picture you have! Wow, that driver must not belong to the Sacred Heart Auto League! :bigyikes:

 

[RobGentner]

justasking4:

I need to be clear what a mortal sin is. Do you have that list or do I need to ask someone else?

**
Hi JA4, :tiphat:

I think I can help you there

MORTAL SINS

Stupity
Belief in Sola gratia
Belief in Sola fide
Belief in Sola Scriptura
Ignorance
Disrespect to Blessed Mother
Heresies
Breaking 10 Commandments
Protestantism
Homosexuality
Repetitious Questioning
Greed
Pride
Covetousness
Envy
Gluttony
Anger
Sloth
lust
environmental pollution
genetic manipulation
obscene wealth,
infliction of poverty
drug trafficking
morally debatable experiments
violation of the fundamental rights of human nature.

I am sure there are more that these. Can any other Catholics help JustAsking4?? **

 

[RobGentner]

HAHA I didn’t even notice the detail of the picture you have! Wow, that driver must not belong to the Sacred Heart Auto League! :bigyikes:

**
Actually I do, but Sometimes Me and Jesus get in a hurry So many souls to help save, so little time. And then we have to entertain JustAsking4The100thTime! **

 

[With_Questions]

**
Hi JA4, :tiphat:

I think I can help you there

MORTAL SINS

Stupity
**
This is new.

So the mentally retarded go directly to hell for the mortal sin of stupidity?

 

[mercygate]

Absolutely, YES.

That’s why you have to make a decision for Christ. Whether by means of the Sacraments, or by means of an altar call, or by means of signing the back of a Four Spiritual Laws tract - we have to make an act of the will in order to enter into Christ’s Salvation.

Christ helps us, and gives us prevenient grace, but it is ultimately our own personal decision. One that we have to keep making every day when we wake up in the morning.

I believe this is what our Evangelical brethren refer to as "a personal relationship with the Lord.

Read my signature.

 

[mercygate]

This is new.

So the mentally retarded go directly to hell for the mortal sin of stupidity?

Let’s ask Gabriel what he meant by “stupity”. I believe English is not his first language.

 

[guanophore]

**

I am sure there are more that these. Can any other Catholics help JustAsking4?? **

No, regrettably, I don’t think I can. There are none so blind as those who do not wish to see.

 

[guanophore]

This is new.

So the mentally retarded go directly to hell for the mortal sin of stupidity?

No. To be stupid, you have to be intelligent, and deliberately refuse to use the good mind that God gave you.

 

[Realcatholicgk]

No. To be stupid, you have to be intelligent, and deliberately refuse to use the good mind that God gave you.

**Actually the real trouble with stupid people is not that they’re ignorant; it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so, and the tragedy of ignorance is that its victims are unaware of their affliction. Take "Forrest Gump"for instance! **

 

[justasking4]

Originally Posted by justasking4
I need to be clear what a mortal sin is. Do you have that list or do I need to ask someone else?

RobGentner
**
Hi JA4, :tiphat:

I think I can help you there

MORTAL SINS

Stupity
Belief in Sola gratia
Belief in Sola fide
Belief in Sola Scriptura
Ignorance
Disrespect to Blessed Mother
Heresies
Breaking 10 Commandments
Protestantism
Homosexuality
Repetitious Questioning
Greed
Pride
Covetousness
Envy
Gluttony
Anger
Sloth
lust
environmental pollution
genetic manipulation
obscene wealth,
infliction of poverty
drug trafficking
morally debatable experiments
violation of the fundamental rights of human nature.

I am sure there are more that these. Can any other Catholics help JustAsking4?? **

Is this “your list” of mortal sins or is this an offical list the church itself has put together so catholics can know the difference between venial and mortal sins?

 

[justasking4]

Originally Posted by RobGentner

I am sure there are more that these. Can any other Catholics help JustAsking4??

guanophore;
No, regrettably, I don’t think I can. There are none so blind as those who do not wish to see.

Don’t worry. You and the gang are really helping me-us-we. The light is getting brighter and brighter…
Now lets get back to the topic…

 

[Realcatholicgk]

Is this “your list” of mortal sins or is this an offical list the church itself has put together so catholics can know the difference between venial and mortal sins?

Welll, Because I have accepted Jesus as Personal Lord and Savior (OP ) I can answer that question. I actually made it up! . However I did use the Church’s guidelines. Do you really want to read them again? OK:

Mortal sin, according to the beliefs of Roman Catholicism, and even some of the not so Lost Protestants denominations, is a sin that, unless confessed and absolved (or at least sacramental confession is willed if not available), condemns a person’s soul to Helll** after death. These sins are considered “mortal” because they constitute a rupture in a person’s link to God’s saving grace: the person’s soul becomes “dead”, not merely weakened. The phrase is used in I John 5.16 -17: “If you see your brother or sister committing what is not a mortal sin, you will ask, and God will give life to such a one - to those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin that is mortal; I do not say you should pray about that. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that is not mortal.” (NRVS)**

In Roman Catholic moral theology, a mortal sin, as distinct from a venial sin, must meet all of the following conditions:

1. 
   *]**its subject must be a grave (or serious) matter; **
   *]**it must be committed with full knowledge, both of the sin and of the gravity of the offense (though nobody is deemed to be ignorant of the moral law, embedded into the consciences of every human being); **
   *]**it must be committed with deliberate and complete consent, enough for it to have been a personal decision to commit the sin. **
   The Catechism defines grave matter as "violations of what Jesus told to the man who asked him what the most important commandments were, namely, “do not kill”, “do not steal”, “do not commit adultery”, “do not bear false witness”, “do not defraud” and “honor your father and your mother”. All of these, however, are subject both to the conditions above and to mitigating circumstances (like mental illness, emotional or behavioral disturbance, insanity, retardation, young age, affective immaturity, or developmental disorders) of the individual situation. The Church itself does not provide a precise list of sins, subdivided into the mortal and venial categories. Rather, it is generally considered a matter for a well-formed conscience to decide after a comprehensive, prayer-filled, deliberate examination of conscience. These sins must be specifically confessed and named, giving details about the context of each sin: what sin, why, against what or whom, the number and type of occurrences, and any other factors that may exacerbate or lessen one’s responsibility and culpability. It also should not be said that certain of these mortal sins, like purposely missing Mass on Sunday is considered equal in gravity to more grave ones, like first-degree murder: Roman Catholic belief holds that mortal sins can vary somewhat in their seriousness, and thus canon law only criminalizes some of the more serious mortal sins. However, for any sins that lack the above mitigating factors and meet the three criteria listed, the “mortal” effect remains present.
   
   Any more question be sure to ask! I can send the same information agin for you to read again!
   

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   Kisses!

 

[justasking4]

Welll, Because I have accepted Jesus as Personal Lord and Savior (OP ) I can answer that question. I actually made it up! . However I did use the Church’s guidelines. Do you really want to read them again? OK:

Mortal sin, according to the beliefs of Roman Catholicism, and even some of the not so Lost Protestants denominations, is a sin that, unless confessed and absolved (or at least sacramental confession is willed if not available), condemns a person’s soul to Helll** after death. These sins are considered “mortal” because they constitute a rupture in a person’s link to God’s saving grace: the person’s soul becomes “dead”, not merely weakened. The phrase is used in I John 5.16 -17: “If you see your brother or sister committing what is not a mortal sin, you will ask, and God will give life to such a one - to those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin that is mortal; I do not say you should pray about that. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that is not mortal.” (NRVS)**

In Roman Catholic moral theology, a mortal sin, as distinct from a venial sin, must meet all of the following conditions:

1. 
   *]**its subject must be a grave (or serious) matter; **
   *]**it must be committed with full knowledge, both of the sin and of the gravity of the offense (though nobody is deemed to be ignorant of the moral law, embedded into the consciences of every human being); **
   *]**it must be committed with deliberate and complete consent, enough for it to have been a personal decision to commit the sin. **
   The Catechism defines grave matter as "violations of what Jesus told to the man who asked him what the most important commandments were, namely, “do not kill”, “do not steal”, “do not commit adultery”, “do not bear false witness”, “do not defraud” and “honor your father and your mother”. All of these, however, are subject both to the conditions above and to mitigating circumstances (like mental illness, emotional or behavioral disturbance, insanity, retardation, young age, affective immaturity, or developmental disorders) of the individual situation. The Church itself does not provide a precise list of sins, subdivided into the mortal and venial categories. Rather, it is generally considered a matter for a well-formed conscience to decide after a comprehensive, prayer-filled, deliberate examination of conscience. These sins must be specifically confessed and named, giving details about the context of each sin: what sin, why, against what or whom, the number and type of occurrences, and any other factors that may exacerbate or lessen one’s responsibility and culpability. It also should not be said that certain of these mortal sins, like purposely missing Mass on Sunday is considered equal in gravity to more grave ones, like first-degree murder: Roman Catholic belief holds that mortal sins can vary somewhat in their seriousness, and thus canon law only criminalizes some of the more serious mortal sins. However, for any sins that lack the above mitigating factors and meet the three criteria listed, the “mortal” effect remains present.
   
   Any more question be sure to ask! I can send the same information agin for you to read again!
   

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   Kisses!

1. 
   Is it considered by the church that voting for a pro abortion candidate a mortal sin? If so, must that catholic go to confession before they take commnunion?

 

[Pixie_Dust]

Is it considered by the church that voting for a pro abortion candidate a mortal sin? If so, must that catholic go to confession before they take commnunion?

You should start a new thread with this question since it’s off-topic here. In fact, there may already be a thread (or twelve) concerning this topic.

 

[jmcrae]

No, regrettably, I don’t think I can. There are none so blind as those who do not wish to see.

It is impossible to waken someone who is only pretending to be asleep.