Accepting Jesus as Personal Lord and Savior

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jmcrae said:
Well, the thing is, nobody is “saved” until they actually get to Heaven. Meanwhile, we are all hopefully at least somewhat on the right path, and moving in the right direction. 👍

But the purpose of the Mass is not to “get people saved” - it’s for those who already know Jesus to encounter Him in the Eucharist.
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You have the car before the horse. If you are not saved, you done get to Heaven. All are already saved, the term is often used incorrectly. Acceptance of Christ as Lord is an acceptance of an already existing Truth, Jesus saved us by his death.
 
avenger said:
You have the car before the horse. If you are not saved, you done get to Heaven. All are already saved, the term is often used incorrectly. Acceptance of Christ as Lord is an acceptance of an already existing Truth, Jesus saved us by his death.
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JM has it right. Salvation is on ongoing process not a “poof” moment. We must continue in our lives to do the will of God. there are many places in scripture where Jesus tells us not only to believe, but to DO.
 
sharmin said:
Who do you know who has fulfilled all that he has commanded? (Lived a sinnless life?)
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I only know those who are in heaven that have been revealed to the Church to be present there. Jesus conversed with Moses and Elijah, so I presume that they are glorified. Enoch was taken up, because he walked with God.

" In the days of King Herod of Judea, there was a priest named Zechariah, who belonged to the priestly order of Abijah. His wife was a descendant of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth. 6** Both of them were righteous before God, living blamelessly according to all the commandments and regulations of the Lord**." Luke 1:5-7

By God’s grace, it is possible to live blamelessly and walk righteous before Him, following all of His commandments.
 
CWBetts said:
JM has it right. Salvation is on ongoing process not a “poof” moment. We must continue in our lives to do the will of God. there are many places in scripture where Jesus tells us not only to believe, but to DO.
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Salvation is indeed a “poof” moment. Jesus died on the Cross, and POOF…but that’s right, you guys are the “work your way to salvation” crowd.
 
avenger said:
Salvation is indeed a “poof” moment. Jesus died on the Cross, and POOF…but that’s right, you guys are the “work your way to salvation” crowd.
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**Hi Avenger, 👋

Christ died for our sins. His death “guaranteed” our salvation, IF we “accept” His conditions!

“EVIL MEN understand not judgment, but they that seek the Lord understand all things.” (Proverbs 28:5).

“The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but FOOLS despise wisdom and instruction.” (Prov.1:7; see also Prov.9:7-10)

“Unless You Eat the Flesh of the Son of Man and Drink His Blood You Have No Life In You” (John 6:53)

The Roman Catholic Church teaches the context of John chapter six and the above headlined verse 53 are literal. Thus Jesus is giving absolute and unconditional requirements for eternal life. In fact, this literal interpretation forms the foundation for Rome’s doctrine of transubstantiation – the miraculous changing of bread and wine into the living Christ, His body and blood, soul and divinity. Each Catholic priest has the power to call Jesus down from the right hand of the Father when he elevates the wafer and whispers the words “Hoc corpus meus est.” We Catholics believe as we consume the wafer that we are actually eating and drinking the living body and blood of Jesus Christ. This is a vital and important step in any person who calls him/herself a Christian for salvation. **
 
avenger said:
Salvation is indeed a “poof” moment. Jesus died on the Cross, and POOF…but that’s right, you guys are the “work your way to salvation” crowd.
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It seems you have been misinformed about Catholicism. Catholics believe that we are saved by grace, through faith, and not of works, lest any man should boast.
 
CWBetts said:
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Believe me. I used to be a member of a Baptist church that was only concerned about how many people “got saved” evry week. It didn’t matter if e never saw tham again…all that ws important was the “sinner’s prayer”. THey wew also a big fan of taking every “faith” scripture out of context, and completely denigrating the importance of the sacremants and other works.
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Jesus does care about numbers.“Go out into the highways and hedges, and COMPEL THEM TO COME IN, that my house may be FILLED” (Luke 14:23).

Look up the word “compel” and you might be surprised. It means “to force or make someone do something.” Does Jesus want us to force people to get saved? Well, yes and no. No, because you can’t force a person to accept Christ-It must be from the heart. Yes, because people get stuck in life and need someone else to prod (help) them along to do what is right. We must be gentle though, “…be gentle unto all men, apt (ready) to teach, patient” (2nd Timothy 2:24). God does NOT want us to shove the Gospel down anyone’s throat. However, we are COMMANDED to go forth preaching the Gospel, “GO ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature” (Mark 16:15).

A Lot of people jump from religion to religion because people focus on people and not what God wants,or they dont know God.

God tells us to examine our own selves. Why would you knock someone giving someone the gospel. Let me ask you this. What are you doing to lead someone to the living God of the bible? If you care so much that no one is doing anything to teach then why dont you get saved and do something about it?
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guanophore said:
It seems you have been misinformed about Catholicism. Catholics believe that we are saved by grace, through faith, and not of works, lest any man should boast.
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not misinformed friend. You need to study more of what your Church teachers say.
 
I was saved on the day that Jesus rose from the dead rescuing me and all the world from sin.now as to being born again,I,m born again every morning when I wake up and “confess with my mouth JESUS IS LORD,and believe in my heart that JESUS WAS RAISED FROM THE DEAD” this a daily profession not a one time thing and then everything is peachy forever,I must follow him and his teachings DAILY. In Christ.
 
CWBetts said:
I just love how non-Catholics seem to think they know more about our faith than what we do.
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I find it useful to pay attention to the names that people give themselves at sign-up for CAF. It often gives immediate insight into their agenda. Consider the difference between the name “SeekingTruth” and the name “Vengeance”.

At CAF the “block” function also works well. There is no need to read the posts of every poster. While it can be useful to know and understand other points of view, there is no value in reading, especially over and over, malicious and uninformed points of view. And then there are those posters who react poorly to factual statements, decry “name calling” while calling everyone that disagrees with them names. We’re not obligated to even read, much less respond to, such posters.

Jesus said He was the Way and the TRUTH and the Life. I respect those who are seeking Truth because Jesus is the Truth. There is no value in participating in virtual shouting matches where each side seeks to get “one up” on the other by trading rude comments.
 
CWBetts said:
I just love how non-Catholics seem to think they know more about aor faith than what we do.
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non-Catholic, yes, but FORMER Catholic, more importantly, ex-seminarian, so yes, I think I came more than knowledgeable enough to discuss it with you.
 
“At CAF the “block” function also works well. There is no need to read the posts of every poster. While it can be useful to know and understand other points of view, there is no value in reading, especially over and over, malicious and uninformed points of view.”

Yes, hiding is always an option…
 
avenger said:
“At CAF the “block” function also works well. There is no need to read the posts of every poster. While it can be useful to know and understand other points of view, there is no value in reading, especially over and over, malicious and uninformed points of view.”

Yes, hiding is always an option…
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If you cannot contribute to the discussion constructively, then it would be best for you to remain silent.
 
avenger said:
non-Catholic, yes, but FORMER Catholic, more importantly, ex-seminarian, so yes, I think I came more than knowledgeable enough to discuss it with you.
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I am a former protestant and former seminarian, so I feel I am no less qualified than you. SO can we please tone down the arrogance.
 
CWBetts said:
If you cannot contribute to the discussion constructively, then it would be best for you to remain silent.
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So disagreement with you is not being constructive, is that it? You need to re-read the title of this particular forum.
 
CWBetts said:
I am a former protestant and former seminarian, so I feel I am no less qualified than you. SO can we please tone down the arrogance.
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lol…I believe it was you who set the tone…

Originally Posted by CWBetts View Post
I just love how non-Catholics seem to think they know more about aor faith than what we do.
 
avenger said:
“At CAF the “block” function also works well. There is no need to read the posts of every poster. While it can be useful to know and understand other points of view, there is no value in reading, especially over and over, malicious and uninformed points of view.”

Yes, hiding is always an option…
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It’s not about hiding. It’s about using your time, and your mind, in a worthwhile way rather than wasting it. Everyone has the right to an opinion but no one has the right to force others to listen to it, much less agree to it.

Belittling and browbeating others does nothing to uplift or validate an intrinsically poisonous message. It is typical of the strongly opinionated who have nothing but opinion to offer, to resort to force and noise. But such tactics do nothing to elicit truth.
 
MelanieAnne said:
It’s not about hiding. It’s about using your time, and your mind, in a worthwhile way rather than wasting it. Everyone has the right to an opinion but no one has the right to force others to listen to it, much less agree to it.

Belittling and browbeating others does nothing to uplift or validate an intrinsically poisonous message. It is typical of the strongly opinionated who have nothing but opinion to offer, to resort to force and noise. But such tactics do nothing to elicit truth.
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I agree… I hope many of your Catholic friends here agree with your statement…it seems many do not.
 
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