Accepting Jesus as Personal Lord and Savior

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avenger said:
non-Catholic, yes, but FORMER Catholic, more importantly, ex-seminarian, so yes, I think I came more than knowledgeable enough to discuss it with you.
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I know plenty of ex-seminarians, and although I don’t know what actually goes on in the first year of Seminary, what I do know is, those guys didn’t come out of there knowing very much more about their faith than when they went in - and what I’m told about what they know going in, is that our Vocations Director has to make them live together and learn basic things like morning and evening prayer (not just the Liturgy of the Hours, but even the Guardian Angel prayer, and “Good Morning, Jesus”, etc.), the Rosary, the order of the Books of the Bible, about the real presence of Jesus in the Tabernacle, why you genuflect, and stuff like that, that they should have learned in kindergarten and elementary school, if they attended Catholic schools. But they go in there so very poorly catechized to start with, and if they drop out, it’s usually because they’re failing - which means that they still don’t know anything about how to be a Catholic.

So, not a big surprise if they don’t “get it,” and move on to something that seems a lot easier, by appearances.
 
jmcrae said:
I know plenty of ex-seminarians, and although I don’t know what actually goes on in the first year of Seminary, what I do know is, those guys didn’t come out of there knowing very much more about their faith than when they went in - and what I’m told about what they know going in, is that our Vocations Director has to make them live together and learn basic things like morning and evening prayer (not just the Liturgy of the Hours, but even the Guardian Angel prayer, and “Good Morning, Jesus”, etc.), the Rosary, the order of the Books of the Bible, about the real presence of Jesus in the Tabernacle, why you genuflect, and stuff like that, that they should have learned in kindergarten and elementary school, if they attended Catholic schools. But they go in there so very poorly catechized to start with, and if they drop out, it’s usually because they’re failing - which means that they still don’t know anything about how to be a Catholic.

So, not a big surprise if they don’t “get it,” and move on to something that seems a lot easier, by appearances.
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you know plenty, yet proceed on nothing but assumptions…maybe they get it, and thats why they leave!
 
avenger said:
you know plenty, yet proceed on nothing but assumptions…maybe they get it, and thats why they leave!
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No, actually most of them stay, and then they come to my Bible study (which is pretty elementary stuff; I have an Arts degree, not a Theology degree) and they say, “Wow, I never knew that before!”

Now, either I’m a genius without realizing it (which I strongly doubt, and I know you’ll agree) or else they didn’t learn much in Seminary. You pick. 😃
 
jmcrae said:
No, actually most of them stay, and then they come to my Bible study (which is pretty elementary stuff; I have an Arts degree, not a Theology degree) and they say, “Wow, I never knew that before!”

Now, either I’m a genius without realizing it (which I strongly doubt, and I know you’ll agree) or else they didn’t learn much in Seminary. You pick. 😃
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well if your seminaries are that weak, what does that say about your institution? I wouldnt brag about that if I were you!
 
avenger said:
well if your seminaries are that weak, what does that say about your institution? I wouldnt brag about that if I were you!
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It has nothing to do with the weakness of the seminary or the Church if people do not absorb what they’re taught.
 
Pixie_Dust said:
It has nothing to do with the weakness of the seminary or the Church if people do not absorb what they’re taught.
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you’re kidding right? So his statement that they didnt learn anything in seminary is their fault? Wow, you guys pass Kool-Aid around in here too?
 
avenger said:
well if your seminaries are that weak, what does that say about your institution? I wouldnt brag about that if I were you!
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A seminary is a learning institution. It does not mean anyone who goes in must come out an Einstein. Just as in school, people fall asleep during classes or pay very little attention to the lecturers.

Many of the world’s greatest leaders/entrepreneurs studied in Catholic institutions. If it was as bad as you think, such institutions would have shut down long ago. Also, if people like Warren Buffet can choose to donate millions into a Catholic institution, what does that tell you? An Atheist prefers Catholic learning centers over Protestant ones. Hmmm. I wonder what his reason must be. You may think the worst, of course.
 
cathopologist said:
A seminary is a learning institution. It does not mean anyone who goes in must come out an Einstein. Just as in school, people fall asleep during classes or pay very little attention to the lecturers.

Many of the world’s greatest leaders/entrepreneurs studied in Catholic institutions. If it was as bad as you think, such institutions would have shut down long ago. Also, if people like Warren Buffet can choose to donate millions into a Catholic institution, what does that tell you? An Atheist prefers Catholic learning centers over Protestant ones. Hmmm. I wonder what his reason must be. You may think the worst, of course.
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Remember, I was not the one who made the original statement…it was one of your own.

As far was Buffet, do you really want to use that as an example on your behalf?

Warren Buffett Donation to Bill Gates’ Foundation Means Millions for Abortion

romancatholicblog.typepad.com/roman_catholic_blog/2006/06/warren_buffett_.html
 
avenger said:
you’re kidding right? So his statement that they didnt learn anything in seminary is their fault?
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Not kidding at all. In order to learn something, one must be teachable and willing to learn, not just keep something in the brain long enough to regurgitate it for a test.
Wow, you guys pass Kool-Aid around in here too?
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Nope, this is a Catholic forum and Catholics don’t drink Kool-aide, we drink wine. 😛
 
Pixie_Dust said:
Not kidding at all. In order to learn something, one must be teachable and willing to learn, not just keep something in the brain long enough to regurgitate it for a test.
Nope, this is a Catholic forum and Catholics don’t drink Kool-aide, we drink wine. 😛
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and plenty of it it seems!
 
Actually, the seminary process often effectively screens out someone profoundly unsuited for the priesthood. Not that supernatural discernment is by any means required in all cases.
 
avenger said:
Remember, I was not the one who made the original statement…it was one of your own.

As far was Buffet, do you really want to use that as an example on your behalf?

Warren Buffett Donation to Bill Gates’ Foundation Means Millions for Abortion

romancatholicblog.typepad.com/roman_catholic_blog/2006/06/warren_buffett_.html
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I did mention Warren Buffet is an Atheist, did i not? How he defines morality is not the concern here. I am not interested in derailing the point and its obvious no Catholic agrees with his personal opinions on moral issues. It is why he preferred donating millions to a Catholic institution when he could have easily donated it to Protestant institutions is the real question here.
 
cathopologist said:
I did mention Warren Buffet is an Atheist, did i not? How he defines morality is not the concern here. I am not interested in derailing the point and its obvious no Catholic agrees with his personal opinions on moral issues. It is why he preferred donating millions to a Catholic institution when he could have easily donated it to Protestant institutions is the real question here.
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It seems from what I posted that he spread it around pretty widely. I would look for another example. And by the way, if his morality is so questionable, should the moral thing for the Catholic institution to do be to not accept his donation? Hmm…Seems all is well when it comes to the money.
 
avenger said:
It seems from what I posted that he spread it around pretty widely. I would look for another example. And by the way, if his morality is so questionable, should the moral thing for the Catholic institution to do be to not accept his donation? Hmm…Seems all is well when it comes to the money.
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People pour donations from everywhere. How do you know when someone offers a donation in church is actually a sinner or a saint? Naturally, you would accept it with a token of grattitude. Judging the donors actions and moral ethics is up to God alone. For only He can see and know things we possibly wouldn’t know about. Unless of course you are Matt Parkman from the TV series Heroes.
 
cathopologist said:
People pour donations from everywhere. How do you know when someone offers a donation in church is actually a sinner or a saint? Naturally, you would accept it with a token of grattitude. Judging the donors actions and moral ethics is up to God alone. For only He can see and know things we possibly wouldn’t know about. Unless of course you are Matt Parkman from the TV series Heroes.
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Well you seemed to know enough to comment about it, but they dont? That is a WEAK defense, brother.
 
Avenger, I for one have had my fill of your arrogant rudeness. It would seem you are not here for discussion, but to try your hand at Catholic bashing.
 
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