According to the Catholic Church do Muslims go to Heaven?

[BlindManWalking]

How can we make a judgement on a billion Muslims who have lived and died, Jesus will judge them one at a time. We do not have the right to make such judgements.

Blessings

Eric

Is all truth you proclaim relative in nature and contrary to Scripture which is plain in language?

No one is judging anyone, they’re just stating the Gospel truth.

The Church expands the understanding of that truth both through the Epistles and the fact that entities such as Job weren’t even Jewish. Job was from somewhere around Arabia from most things I’ve read.

The rubrics of the faith aren’t salvific without true faith on behalf of the believer.

Those who have no knowledge of this full system in which to worship God in truth, of course, cannot be damned. But, they are judged according to the inherent law God placed in their hearts.

The rubrics of Islam are nothing. They might, in some ways, point to truth. But never the fullness of it, and never without some caveat that basically discourages proper morality in its, once again, full truth.

The outright denial of the nature of the Gospel and the salvation provided by Calvary, and subsequent denial of the true Son of God and His nature, including being God, is both a failure of philosophical understanding, and a grave matter of concern in the efficacy of salvation to a person raised to hate the true nature of Jesus in favor of a culture that demands the death of others, and in which the death of the individual in search of fighting for God is second.

It’s just bassackwards doesn’t really make much sense when examined critically.

It exhibits not coherent philosophy, but disjointed and fragmentary intellectualism as one might expect from a self-educated trader from a time and place of mysticism and fantastical Arab poetry as a way of life.

There is nothing particularly great about Mohammed, nor his claims, in terms of originality.

No real miracles, no real witnesses to his claims, just a bunch of people believing a guy on his word alone in the name of another. No resurrection. No transfiguration. No ability to turn the tide of a battle with the mere flick of a finger, tooting of a shofar, or an outstretched staff.

The God of the Old Testament always faced large armies with His small army. Most times He made the job of dispatching the enemy easy, when the nation followed Him.

Allah just doesn’t really check many blocks in comparison aside from supposed attributes when are actually never truly evident in the claims of Allah and certainly not in the actual narrative of Mohammed and the expansion of Islam.

It’s so wonderfully crafted to combat Christianity, I can’t help but wonder why.

 

[bac_haywood]

How can we make a judgement on a billion Muslims who have lived and died, Jesus will judge them one at a time. We do not have the right to make such judgements.

Blessings

Eric

I couldn’t agree more. Especially “We do not have the right to make such judgments” I am not on this earth to judge others and I am not accountable for others

 

[Eric_Hyom]

Hello BlindManWalking,

I agree with you totally, that the fullness of truth is held within the Gospels and the Catholic Church. But the thread asks- according to the Catholic Church do Muslims go to heaven?

Again I agree with you that the greatest path to salvation is through the Catholic Church, but the greatest path to salvation; leaves the way open to lesser paths to salvation.

The church does not claim that it is the only path.

Blessings

Eric

 

[BlindManWalking]

Hello BlindManWalking,

I agree with you totally, that the fullness of truth is held within the Gospels and the Catholic Church. But the thread asks- according to the Catholic Church do Muslims go to heaven?

Again I agree with you that the greatest path to salvation is through the Catholic Church, but the greatest path to salvation; leaves the way open to lesser paths to salvation.
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The church does not claim that it is the only path.**

Blessings

Eric

You’re right, Jesus Christ did.

And the Church makes it clear that Salvation is only through Christ, not Islam, Hinduism, or even Catholicism.

There is only one path to Salvation- Jesus Christ. That every individual will pass before Christ to be judged is not contingent on his or her religion. Catholic, Muslim, Protestant, etc- none of that matters once dead. Only the particular judgement is what we have when it comes time to leave this body.

Do Muslims go to Heaven? Sure, I bet there are some there now. But they’re not there for being Muslim anymore than some child molestor is there for being a pervert. But, by the grace of God through our Our Jesus Christ.

We must be careful not to give credit for any potential salvation to Islam. No, ALL salvation comes through Jesus Christ, NOT a system. Plenty of Priests and Bishops paving the road to hell with their skulls. The system matters, but in the end, it matters not. Just what the person did.

 

[A_Gift]

How can we make a judgement on a billion Muslims who have lived and died, Jesus will judge them one at a time. We do not have the right to make such judgements.

Blessings

Eric

We do not need to because Jesus did, the prophets and the apostles and other writers have already told us. Paul or should we say the holy Spirit said if ANYONE comes to you with another Gospel; he is accursed = damned.

How can we NOT make a judgment if you love a person you will tell them the truth and the Way. Theologians call this the “Great Commission” and applies to all who belong to Christ.

Jesus never said “you can’t tell a book by it’s cover”, that is human reasoning and hypocrisy - He said you will know them by their fruits among other parables that have the same connotations.

If anyone has a Muslim friend and does not tell them about the gospel with their permission and warn them of the consequences of not believing the truth of the “good news”, then what does that say about that persons heart toward men and God - love?

You might just ask a simple question; "have you ever wondered or understood the Christian gospel? Would you like to know? Then tell them and if they reject, then warn them. “Loosing and binding” is how the Bible refers to the power of the gospel.

Remember that one must hear, then believe before they receive and how can they hear if we keep silent?

 

[A_Gift]

Is all truth you proclaim relative in nature and contrary to Scripture which is plain in language?

No one is judging anyone, they’re just stating the Gospel truth.

Those who have no knowledge of this full system in which to worship God in truth, of course, cannot be damned. But, they are judged according to the inherent law God placed in their hearts.

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Have you never read? Romans 3:19
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

& Galatians 3:10 (this is just a sample) For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them."

Also, Romans 3:10 is explicit that God will condemn those that are under any law, including the law written on the hearts because men love darkness and no man can fulfill the law with the one exception, which was Jesus. **For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law **

I hope that you and anyone who reads this has their understanding illuminated by the power of the Holy Spirit and therefore empowered to share the good news - myself included.

 

[BlindManWalking]

Have you never read? Romans 3:19
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

& Galatians 3:10 (this is just a sample) For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them."

Also, Romans 3:10 is explicit that God will condemn those that are under any law, including the law written on the hearts because men love darkness and no man can fulfill the law with the one exception, which was Jesus. For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law

I hope that you and anyone who reads this has their understanding illuminated by the power of the Holy Spirit and therefore empowered to share the good news - myself included.

I have no idea what you just said other than quote some verses.

What is your point? Those verses are in a much larger context than the two bits you just cherry-picked and without knowing if you are agreeing with me or disagreeing, I have no idea which way you are taking them.

Spit it out, man; what’s your point?

 

[A_Gift]

I have no idea what you just said other than quote some verses.

What is your point? Those verses are in a much larger context than the two bits you just cherry-picked and without knowing if you are agreeing with me or disagreeing, I have no idea which way you are taking them.

Spit it out, man; what’s your point?

You said “Those who have no knowledge of this full system in which to worship God in truth, of course, cannot be damned. But, they are judged according to the inherent law God placed in their hearts.”

Scripture contradicts your opinion. ALL under **any **law will perish apart from receiving Jesus Christ as both Lord and Savior.

 

[komeeks18]

What about the first words of the Athanasian creed: In order to be saved, one must have the Catholic faith.

If anything, I have heard the explanation of invincible ignorance (the theory of how non-catholics can get to heaven) this way, if you know of the Catholic Church, and refuse to enter, you will not be saved. If you are in it, and decide to leave, you will not be saved.

The theoretical Indian,who never hears of the Church (a number that is getting less and less every day), would still have to live a life without mortal sin, in order to be saved. THere are no longer entire continents that have not heard of the Church, invincible ignorance is becoming more insignificant.

Muslims, most likely, have heard of the Catholic Church. Especially if they are no longer living in a Completely Muslim country. A Muslim who is born in the US, for example, probably cannot claim Invincible Ignorance in the last day.

So does this mean the Catholic Church believes that Protestants will go to Hell?

 

[ErikJames]

Robert Barron, priest of the Roman Catholic Church (RCC) and creator of the youtube “Word on Fire” videos, talks about the qualities of the new RCC evangelist. In this video he speaks of those who had “divorced themselves from God”. This plainly speaks of used to be Catholics and Protestants who know Catholic doctrine and dogma but refuse to enter the RCC. This is amazing to me knowing what the RCC’s new policies toward other “non-Christian” religions are.

For example, in the catechism, starting at paragraph 839, it discusses the status of certain non-Christians in God’s economy. The catechism states that even though Jews do not believe in Jesus as the savior, it implies that the Old Covenant is still valid because they believe in a Messiah, only that the next time He comes the Jews believe that it will be the first. This denies Jesus. Jesus said that “I am the way the truth and the light, no one comes to the Father but by me” (John 14:6).

The book goes further in discussing Muslims, in that they are also children of God and worship the same as Christians, therefore, “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the creator” (841). I have studied Islamic culture and religion, I’m required to within my job. I can’t agree with this statement. The Quran and Hadith are diametrically opposed to our Bible. How can God be so contradicting? The answer is that He’s not. Also, Muslims deny the deity of Jesus and even that Jesus had died on the cross. the first part of this blasphemy is written plainly on the outside of the Dome in Jerusalem. Acts 4:11-12 quotes Jesus as saying there is no salvation through anyone but Jesus. To summarize this paragraph, their god is not our God.

I thought that I may have misunderstood these paragraphs, since there are contradicting statements within the catechism itself about this and that it falls so far away from Scripture. However, a recent Lighthouse teaching by Scott Hahn discussing Islam confirms my suspicions. And if I am misinterpreting the catechism then many other within the RCC are as well… namely my father, being a devout Catholic, now believes this as well! It seems that many in Catholic forums throughout the web also have believed these false teachings.

It also talks briefly about other pantheistic religions such as Hinduism and Buddhism saying that they all are on a path to God. However, when discussing Protestants, the tone changes stating that those who knowingly separate themselves from the RCC are doomed.
I realize the problems within mainstream liberal Protestantism today. They have also fallen, but there are many conservative Christians that believe in Jesus, and keep true to His word. I find it amazing that so many are included into God’s salvation but when concerning those conservative Christians that have divorced themselves not from God but from the RCC, Catholics believe they need saving over everyone else.

This seems to be the evangelization priorities of the RCC. These teachings within the catechism are also heretical and a poses a serious problem to the salvation of many within the RCC.

 

[Nabooru]

Muslims cannot go to heaven. If they are aware of Christianity but reject it due to the hatred inbuilt in their hearts by their upbringing, they are responsible. If I were brought up in a racist family, and I hate all minorities without giving a second thought to reconsidering my beliefs, who is to blame? If I participate in a lynching, can I use “I was just brought up that way, sorry” as my defense?

We don’t know why some people reject the Holy Spirit, but when they do there is no hope for them.

I personally think the RCC overstepped its theological boundaries when it speculated on the eternal fate on unbelievers in such a way as it has. All we know is what God has told us. If we have not had revealed to us a way unbelievers can be saved - and we have not - it is NOT in our right or capacity to think of how, and if, it can occur. What God has told us thus far is that one needs to actively believe in and accept the graces of Jesus Christ in order to be saved, so that is the assumption we must rest with.

It might seem unfair to us, but we don’t get to make the rules. Have not all people sinned and fallen short of the glory of God?