Acknowledging Islam

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We can learn something from any religion or culture, so I don’t get the “nothing” answers. Very arrogant. I don’t think the OP meant theologically speaking, but in their actions - submission, reverence, commitment, devotion to Mary (really…google it).
 
In Islam, ʿĪsā ibn Maryam (Arabic: عيسى بن مريم‎, lit. ‘Jesus, son of Mary’), or Jesus, is understood to be the penultimate prophet and messenger of God (Allah) and al-Masih, the Arabic term for Messiah (Christ), sent to guide the Children of Israel (banī isrā’īl in Arabic) with a new revelation: al-Injīl (Arabic for “the Gospel”)
 
They do believe Jesus will return and ‘restore’ everything. Sounds like a messiah/highest prophet?
 
Not at all. Mohammed is the seal of the prophets in islam. He is giftet special - as mary and Mohammed - under the other prophets, bt there is no term similar translatable as “messias” in most islamic denominations. Maybe in some non-sunni or non-shia denominations, but not in “orthodox” islam. The Ahmadiyya Islam may see Jesus as higher in his guidance position for the teibes of israel, but this is not similar to messiah in the christian understanding.
“Messenger” as a “rasul”, a spokesman of god, is a term only for mohammed. The eraly abbasid and ummayad kalifates dscussed this alot.
 
They don´t. Again, not in the big and orthodox islamic denominations. Several semesters of christian and islamic theology at university plus a musim family background, I know the souces 🙂
 
edtaylor51 said:
We can learn something from any religion or culture, so I don’t get the “nothing” answers. Very arrogant. I don’t think the OP meant theologically speaking, but in their actions - submission, reverence, commitment, devotion to Mary (really…google it).
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Muslims do not consider Mary as an intercessor. That to them is the highest sin, associating someone with God. If we to talk about devotion to the Blessed Virgin, the best place to look for it is the Catholic Church. To go to Islam for it is actually a downgrade.

And do we really want to do their version of fasting? Do we want to be policed during the fasting month and transgression may be considered a crime in a Syaria law? Sometimes we forget that the best place is at home, in the mother Church.
 
Lea101 said:
They do believe Jesus will return and ‘restore’ everything. Sounds like a messiah/highest prophet?
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There is a lot of variation in the beliefs of different Muslim groups, I don’t think you can make a blanket assertion on this. What a “5%'er” Muslim thinks might actually be considered heretical by shi’ite Muslims
 
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Actually I would love it if Muslims really believe that Jesus would restore everything in his return. That would make him bigger than Muhammad and Jesus having a God-like power. Muslims that I’ve heard however, would surely deny that attribute to Jesus.
 
I… I don’t know how to respond. You’re looking at the evidence and just flippantly wanting to remain wilfully ignorant? Islam even has the concept of an anti-Christ - the Al-Masih ad-Dajjal, the “false messiah”. Muslims DO believe that Jesus is the Messiah. They believe that Jesus will return to judge people, too. Even if he’s an inferior prophet to Muhammad. Or, so they believe. The Islamic concept of the messiah might be different from the Christian. (Mind you, the Jewish concept of the messiah is different from the Christian, too) But they still believe Jesus is the messiah promised.

You don’t need to go far to find this information.
 
Cthompson said:
Oh and about the 5 times a day prayer thing, we Catholics have 7. Just a little better 😉
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And do you bow down in prayer 7 times a day, no matter where you are and what you are doing? Just curious. (Also, just FYI, that 7 times a day was handed down to Christians by the Jews).
 
rosary_warrior said:
No I don’t like them. They think a child molester is the messiah. It’s disgusting
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You don’t like one single person from almost 2 BILLION people from around the world? Hmm. And just to clarify, Mohammed is not considered to be the messiah. He is called Prophet. Like Isaiah, Jeremiah, Moses, Jonah, etc. Big difference.
 
Which islamic denomination do you belong to?
This isnot a eaching of any of the big musil denomnations, except maybe ahmadiyya. Sources, please.
 
In the Second Vatican Council Declaration on the Relation of the Church to Non-Christian Religions it says of Islam:
The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth, who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.

Since in the course of centuries not a few quarrels and hostilities have arisen between Christians and Moslems, this sacred synod urges all to forget the past and to work sincerely for mutual understanding and to preserve as well as to promote together for the benefit of all mankind social justice and moral welfare, as well as peace and freedom.
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Earlier in the document, when addressing religions such as Buddhism and Hinduism is says:
The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these religions. She regards with sincere reverence those ways of conduct and of life, those precepts and teachings which, though differing in many aspects from the ones she holds and sets forth, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men. Indeed, she proclaims, and ever must proclaim Christ “the way, the truth, and the life” (John 14:6), in whom men may find the fullness of religious life, in whom God has reconciled all things to Himself.

The Church, therefore, exhorts her sons, that through dialogue and collaboration with the followers of other religions, carried out with prudence and love and in witness to the Christian faith and life, they recognize, preserve and promote the good things, spiritual and moral, as well as the socio-cultural values found among these men.
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monicajener66 said:
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KevinK:
Islam is the motherlode of bad ideas.
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Dear can you describe only one to me, so I can research on that.
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As a Catholic, I can start with perhaps the practice of ‘Polygamy’, where a man is allowed to marry four wives; also a husband can divorce his wives just by declaring the words, “I divorce you,” and she id divorced. Another is, the value of a woman witness is half that of a man’s witness, meaning they have to have two women being witnesses for it to hold.

Those may not be necessarily bad and definitely not in the Islamic belief. So I cannot say it is totally bad, but as a Catholic, those values, as far as I know, do conflict with that of ours, especially the former where we our marriages is Sacramental and does not allow for divorce.

God bless.
 
ComplineSanFran said:
And do you bow down in prayer 7 times a day
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I would argue the physical position of one’s body during prayer does not indicate his particular level of piety of prayer but rather the internal position of one’s soul determines this. I can pray whether I stand, sit, or kneel; whether I’m working behind my desk or in front of the Blessed Sacrament in Church.
ComplineSanFran said:
Also, just FYI, that 7 times a day was handed down to Christians by the Jews).
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Great! The Catholic Church is of Jewish origins. So I’m not surprised or insulted. I wouldn’t expect anything less. I love the Jewish roots of the One True Faith.
 
The five times prayer a day Mohammad learned form us. It comes from the Liturgy of the Hours.
 
Theft is punishable by amputation of the hands (Quran 5:38).
Testimonies of 4 male witnesses are required to prove rape of a female (Quran 24:13).
 
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