ACLU Is The Enemy

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The ACLU war on Christmas is really a war on Christians. With few exceptions and then only to create a diversion from their real target, the ACLU avoids going after religious symbols of other faiths.
Despite the fact over 80 percent of Americans are Christians, the ACLU has bullied elected representatives and school officials to eradicate the public celebration of Christmas under threat of lawsuits. Municipalities and schools should be aware that the systematic exclusion of Christmas symbols during the holiday season is not warranted, and such exclusion itself could be inconsistent with The Constitution and subject them to a possible lawsuit.
The Second Circuit Court of Appeals uphold the right of New York City schools to discriminate against Christian symbols while specifically allowing Jewish and Islamic Symbols. New York City school policy allows the display of The Menorah during Chanukah,and the Islamic Star and Crescent during Muslims Ramaden, but specifically excludes Nativity displays during Christmas----.A Nationally recognized legal holiday by both the Executive Branch and Legislative Branch, as well as a legal holiday for the state of New York.
(I did send them a Christmas card last year tho…)😃
 
bella5110 said:
The ACLU war on Christmas is really a war on Christians. With few exceptions and then only to create a diversion from their real target, the ACLU avoids going after religious symbols of other faiths.
Despite the fact over 80 percent of Americans are Christians, the ACLU has bullied elected representatives and school officials to eradicate the public celebration of Christmas under threat of lawsuits. Municipalities and schools should be aware that the systematic exclusion of Christmas symbols during the holiday season is not warranted, and such exclusion itself could be inconsistent with The Constitution and subject them to a possible lawsuit.
The Second Circuit Court of Appeals uphold the right of New York City schools to discriminate against Christian symbols while specifically allowing Jewish and Islamic Symbols. New York City school policy allows the display of The Menorah during Chanukah,and the Islamic Star and Crescent during Muslims Ramaden, but specifically excludes Nativity displays during Christmas----.A Nationally recognized legal holiday by both the Executive Branch and Legislative Branch, as well as a legal holiday for the state of New York.
(I did send them a Christmas card last year tho…)😃
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Ok just to save time and energy, im going to skip ahead and blame all Muslims. Everyone knows they are secretly involved. Ok thread over

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bella5110 said:
The ACLU war on Christmas is really a war on Christians. With few exceptions and then only to create a diversion from their real target, the ACLU avoids going after religious symbols of other faiths.
Despite the fact over 80 percent of Americans are Christians, the ACLU has bullied elected representatives and school officials to eradicate the public celebration of Christmas under threat of lawsuits. Municipalities and schools should be aware that the systematic exclusion of Christmas symbols during the holiday season is not warranted, and such exclusion itself could be inconsistent with The Constitution and subject them to a possible lawsuit.
The Second Circuit Court of Appeals uphold the right of New York City schools to discriminate against Christian symbols while specifically allowing Jewish and Islamic Symbols. New York City school policy allows the display of The Menorah during Chanukah,and the Islamic Star and Crescent during Muslims Ramaden, but specifically excludes Nativity displays during Christmas----.A Nationally recognized legal holiday by both the Executive Branch and Legislative Branch, as well as a legal holiday for the state of New York.
(I did send them a Christmas card last year tho…)😃
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I agree. It is disgusting that the ACLU is so anti-christian. I think secretly they know how powerful Jesus is and just want to oppress all of us christians.😉 :eek: Can you imagine what power we would have if all the christians in the world stood up and took action.:eek: You know what—we did in the 2004 election. We chose Bush.😃 Whether you agree with him or not–American Christians took action. We can do it again. We are the majority in this country. No matter what democrats or the ACLU say–we are allowed to talk about our religion!!! So I say STAND UP and SPEAK LOUD and say JESUS IS SAVIOR OF THE WORLD and I WANT THE NATIVITY DISPLAYED so there:p

You know what else–christians also stopped NBC airing part of Madonnas concert with her on a cross. Enough christians sent in a petition through AFA(American Family Association)and they decided to scrap it.😃

We do have power we just need to exercise it.👍
 
I disagree. The ACLU is not the enemy.

Eph 6:12 For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and powers, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places.

There is a spiritual force driving secular groups, like the ACLU, that we should be more concerned about.
 
I don’t know that I’d say they are the enemy. They are a group of people who feel that they are preserving civil liberties. In theory, this should be a very noble group.

But, when you say that a KKK Member is permitted to wear swastikas to his high school because that is his right, you are now following the letter of the law rather than the spirit of the law.

Is the ACLU our enemy? Nah, they are a group of lawyers who we should be praying for. Losses in court we will eventually overcome. The loss of their eternal souls would be a shame. The enemy is the force which drives them to oppress things that are good (Ten Commandments, school prayer, pledge of allegiance) while aiding things that are evil (KKK, Neo-Nazis et al).
 
I have to say this.

The ACLU may be misguided, but they are not the enemy. They are trying to protect the rights of people whose rights may be trampled on. Currently the ACLU sees that as minorities and so tries its best to protect those of minority religions. I do not think that people in the ACLU understand that they may in fact trample on someone elses beliefs when they ardently try to defend that persons belief.

I think they see the majority of people, and say we do not need to worry about them, they make the rules. It is misguided, yes, but evil, not remotely.

A lone Raven
 
Didn’t you know that ACLU really stands for:

Anti Christ Lunatic Underworld
 
Loginus said:
Ok just to save time and energy, im going to skip ahead and blame all Muslims. Everyone knows they are secretly involved. Ok thread over
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And you are wrong, it is not Muslims at fault, it is delluded non-Muslim westerners who apologize for, make fallacious equivocations of, or ignore altogther, radical Muslim antics.

Scott
 
corvidae said:
I have to say this.

The ACLU may be misguided, but they are not the enemy. They are trying to protect the rights of people whose rights may be trampled on. Currently the ACLU sees that as minorities and so tries its best to protect those of minority religions. I do not think that people in the ACLU understand that they may in fact trample on someone elses beliefs when they ardently try to defend that persons belief.

I think they see the majority of people, and say we do not need to worry about them, they make the rules. It is misguided, yes, but evil, not remotely.
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I could not disagree more. They may have started out as a protector of minority groups, but they have morphed into a primarily anti-Christian crusade! 😦
 
Mickey said:
I could not disagree more. They may have started out as a protector of minority groups, but they have morphed into a primarily anti-Christian crusade! 😦
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But how do they justify it? By saying they are trying to push for the seperation of Church and State, or more often, because they are trying to protect others rights. I highly doubt that any lawyer in the ACLU says, look at those evil christians, we need to take away their rights.

I would guess that many say, they have gone too far, they get things that smaller religions do not. I think they need to be limited a little bit in order to give equal rights to these other religions.

I would say that it is a problem with people immediately thinking that the majority persecutes the minority, when it can be vice versa. I think that many ACLU lawyers fall into that trap.

A lone Raven
 
corvidae said:
But how do they justify it? By saying they are trying to push for the seperation of Church and State, or more often, because they are trying to protect others rights. I highly doubt that any lawyer in the ACLU says, look at those evil christians, we need to take away their rights.

I would guess that many say, they have gone too far, they get things that smaller religions do not. I think they need to be limited a little bit in order to give equal rights to these other religions.

I would say that it is a problem with people immediately thinking that the majority persecutes the minority, when it can be vice versa. I think that many ACLU lawyers fall into that trap.
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Actually they are just plain scary. When an organization defends those who try to take Christ out of Christmas; turn a Christmas tree into a holiday tree; bann nativity scenes and depiction of the ten commandments from all public property; take God out of the pledge of allegiance; remove the word God from our currency; etc., etc., etc.,

my left eyebrow raises way high!
 
I like the fact they exist. Why?

A- they Are not fooling me
C- Cross scares them- wonder why?
L- Love our enemy people! They give us the test of patience on that one.
U- Understand that the fact they are fearful of us tells us we are a force they are intimidated by, most likely due to the fact they are so weak in what they profess. Or what they profess is weak.

Any way you slice it, its a good thing for someone who does not scare easily.:cool:
 
I am saying that they are tryingto take away the rights of Christians. I have never denied that. I just think that the majority of them are misguided, and not genuinely trying to take away our rights.

Aristotle believed that the only way that someone could do evil was because they did not know or really know the good. If they were not ignorant, they would coose the good.

Also, I think you would be hard pressed to find a single ACLU lawsuit where the Christmas tree was forced to be called a holiday tree unless it was in some kind of public building. That is their big ticket, when the government has something like this because they see it as promoting a religion. I doubt that they have ever tried to take “In God we Trust” off of currency, although it is possible.

I think the big thing to remember is that they are not hunting down christians in their homes and saying you can and cannot do this, they claim that the government cannot do these things.

You and I see it as a violation of our rights, they see it as a violation of others rights, it is a disagreement, it does not mean they are evil, or the enemy.

I would say a much bigger enemy is the idealogy that religion should be just a private thing and reletivism should rule.

Notice the ACLU does not seem to care about public displays of religion, just public displays that seem to come from the government.

A lone Raven
 
corvidae said:
I doubt that they have ever tried to take “In God we Trust” off of currency, although it is possible.
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I believe there is an atheist who is considering filing a suit. The ACLU will support him.
corvidae said:
I think the big thing to remember is that they are not hunting down christians in their homes and saying you can and cannot do this, they claim that the government cannot do these things.
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Give it some time. 😦
corvidae said:
You and I see it as a violation of our rights, they see it as a violation of others rights, it is a disagreement, it does not mean they are evil, or the enemy.
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They don’t call him the great deceiver for nothing.
 
Corvidae,
This is for you since you think they are not a bad group.

A lower court decision that had dismissed a complaint filed challenging a New Jersey school districts total ban on CHRISTMAS MUSIC, INCLUDING SIMPLE INSTRUMENTS. The BAN on RELIGIOUS MUSIC conveys an impermissible goverrnment sponsored message of hostility toward religion…
 
I said they are misguided.
I disagree with many things they do.
I do not think that they are evil.
I think they have good intentions.
I think the road to hell is paved with good intentions and the skulls of bishops.
I think they could be a good group.
I think they are an effect not a cause.
I think we should try to change the ACLU to truly be what it claims to be.

That is what I think

A lone Raven
 
GK,
I would definately say they are misguided there. NAMBLA at the very least encourages statutory rape, no matter what the lawyers defending them say.

A lone Raven
 
The ACLU has never, ever been merely all about protecting the legitimate rights of the oppressed.
The founder of the ACLU, Roger Baldwin,
was a Communist and he himself stated that part of his purpose was to bring about communism in the United States.
If I’m not mistaken (and I could be about this part), Baldwin’s onetime lover, Margaret Sanger (of Planned Parenthood fame) was a co-founder of the ACLU.
 
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