ACLU Is The Enemy

[Eden]

The ACLU supports abortion by defending Planned Parenthood, including partial birth abortion, they have a national campaign to defend same-sex marriage, they defend pornographers, NAMBLA meanwhile they fight for the removal of the Ten Commandments and religious symbols from public property. If the ACLU does not promote immorality and evil, I don’t know who does.

 

[bella5110]

The ACLU supports abortion by defending Planned Parenthood, including partial birth abortion, they have a national campaign to defend same-sex marriage, they defend pornographers, NAMBLA meanwhile they fight for the removal of the Ten Commandments and religious symbols from public property. If the ACLU does not promote immorality and evil, I don’t know who does.

:yup:

 

[Eden]

Thank you. Most people on this thread do also.

Unfortunately, Judaism has lost its moral compass. So, it is not surprising that Valke supports the ACLU and their defense of abortion. Judaism does not ban all abortion. And as far as Loginus, he has created his own faith and was searching for a name for it recently. So, apparently the faith he invented does not view abortion as evil either. It’s not surprising to see them defending the ACLU.

 

[corvidae]

The ACLU supports abortion by defending Planned Parenthood, including partial birth abortion, they have a national campaign to defend same-sex marriage, they defend pornographers, NAMBLA meanwhile they fight for the removal of the Ten Commandments and religious symbols from public property. If the ACLU does not promote immorality and evil, I don’t know who does.

I have to agree.

They do seem to unjustly target Christians. However, I believe that is because they are misled by society. I believe that they are an effect, not a cause.

A lone Raven

 

[Eden]

I have to agree.

They do seem to unjustly target Christians. However, I believe that is because they are misled by society. I believe that they are an effect, not a cause.

A lone Raven

Whether out of ignorance or design, the ACLU fights against Christian values and morality and as such, is an enemy to Christianity.

 

[bella5110]

I have to agree.

They do seem to unjustly target Christians. However, I believe that is because they are misled by society. I believe that they are an effect, not a cause.

A lone Raven

they are not misled by society, they are paid millions by society. We are misled by them. Please research this. It’s embarrassing to talk about something you know nothing about.

 

[Loginus]

Unfortunately, Judaism has lost its moral compass. So, it is not surprising that Valke supports the ACLU and their defense of abortion. Judaism does not ban all abortion. And as far as Loginus, he has created his own faith and was searching for a name for it recently. So, apparently the faith he invented does not view abortion as evil either. It’s not surprising to see them defending the ACLU.

Haha, ty for acknowledging my religion I shall call it Edenism in your honour

As for abortions, I think its ok as long as its only in the first tri-mester and it should VERY expensive to disuade from being an ‘everyday’ option.
Gay-marriage im ok with as long as it isnt by church. Seperation of church-state means the church doesnt have to acknowledge them and thats fine.
As for the NAMBLA thing, yaa they have no rights. Having sex with children isnt justifiable or ethical or even beneficial to society in any way shape or form

 

[corvidae]

Whether out of ignorance or design, the ACLU fights against Christian values and morality and as such, is an enemy to Christianity.

I will agree with you, it is an enemy of Christianity. I refuse to believe it is THE enemy.

I guess I was trying to point out that what they are trying to do is a good thing, and that good could come out of them. I have a very hard time writing things off completely, which it seems many try to do.

I still believe that they are an effect of society, not a cause. I believe that they could turn around, and I believe that where the ACLU conflicts with Christianity, We should back Christianity. However, not everything the ACLU does is against Christianity.

A lone Raven

p.s.- in other words, yes I was wrong in some aspects of my arguments, I will admit this, but I was not wrong in all of them.

 

[bella5110]

I will agree with you, it is an enemy of Christianity. I refuse to believe it is THE enemy.

I guess I was trying to point out that what they are trying to do is a good thing, and that good could come out of them. I have a very hard time writing things off completely, which it seems many try to do.

I still believe that they are an effect of society, not a cause. I believe that they could turn around, and I believe that where the ACLU conflicts with Christianity, We should back Christianity. However, not everything the ACLU does is against Christianity.

A lone Raven

p.s.- in other words, yes I was wrong in some aspects of my arguments, I will admit this, but I was not wrong in all of them.

Everything they do is against Christians. Everything. Would you like more storeies??

 

[corvidae]

Everything they do is against Christians. Everything. Would you like more storeies??

Bella, not everything is against Christians.

They stood up for the Neo-nazi march in a small town in Illinois. Now, there were many Jews in the town and I believe that the Neo-nazi march was a terror tactic. However, it was the ACLU standing up for free speech, and if it was an attack on anything it was an attack on the Jews.

There not everything is against Christians.

A lone Raven

 

[dosdog]

Everything they do is against Christians. Everything. Would you like more storeies??

The ACLU batting average examines the ACLU win/loss record in all 735 U.S. Supreme Court cases in which it was involved in from the 1920s to 1999. The cases are examined by decade, by subject matter, and by margin of victory/loss. To read individual case summaries visit ACLU in the Supreme Court or Landmark Cases.

Personal statement from ProCon.org’s Chairman Steven C. Markoff about the Batting Average Project.

1. Batting Average Recap

Years Total Number of Cases Number of ACLU
Wins Losses Batting Average
(Win %)
1920s 0 0 0 0. (00%)
1930s 4 4 0 (100.00%)
1940s 47 35 12 (74.47%)
1950s 41 30 11 (73.17%)
1960s 92 64 28 (69.57%)
1970s 143 72 71 (50.35%)
1980s 238 120 116 (50.85%)
1990s 172 93 79 (54.07%)
1920-1999 735 418 317 (56.87%)

Case Breakdown by Category & Decade
acluprocon.org/pop/Battaverage.htm

 

[bella5110]

Bella, not everything is against Christians.

They stood up for the Neo-nazi march in a small town in Illinois. Now, there were many Jews in the town and I believe that the Neo-nazi march was a terror tactic. However, it was the ACLU standing up for free speech, and if it was an attack on anything it was an attack on the Jews.

There not everything is against Christians.

A lone Raven

That’s one out of a thousand!!!

 

[corvidae]

That’s one out of a thousand!!!

doesn’t matter, you said everything,

And if you look at dosdog’s link, you will see that it is not even the majority.

A lone Raven

 

[bella5110]

doesn’t matter, you said everything,

And if you look at dosdog’s link, you will see that it is not even the majority.

A lone Raven

I’m done hre with people who do not know the facts. God knows where Dosdog’s getting his info, maybe same as you for saying there is good in Satanism…

 

[dosdog]

I’m done hre with people who do not know the facts. God knows where Dosdog’s getting his info, maybe same as you for saying there is good in Satanism…

Is the ACLU good for America?
This site presents in a simple, nonpartisan pro-con format, responses to the core question “Is the ACLU good for America?” We have divided questions about the topic into the issues and sub-issues listed below. All individuals and organizations quoted on our site are ranked based upon our unique credibility scale. [Note: This website is independently run by ProCon.org and is not a project of the ACLU.]

acluprocon.org/

 

[corvidae]

I’m done hre with people who do not know the facts. God knows where Dosdog’s getting his info, maybe same as you for saying there is good in Satanism…

Ok, anyone who wants to find out what she is talking about, go to “Islam 101 for Christians”.
By the way Bella, again in the forum rules, we are not to bring arugments from one thread to another.

I am guessing that dosdog is getting his info from a site that is designed to watch the aclu. Thus the ACLU pro/con website.

I think we either know or are seeking facts. Now they may not agree with what you believe, but that is life. We are seeking Truth, you are seeking agreement.

I do not expect that you or I will agree on many subjects Bella, but we are both Humans made in the image and likeness of God and deserving of respect. I have tried to give you that respect. Whether you give others respect is between you and God.

A lone Raven

 

[Damascus]

Bella, not everything is against Christians.

They stood up for the Neo-nazi march in a small town in Illinois. Now, there were many Jews in the town and I believe that the Neo-nazi march was a terror tactic. However, it was the ACLU standing up for free speech, and if it was an attack on anything it was an attack on the Jews.

There not everything is against Christians.

A lone Raven

Really? Maybe Valke2 did not know that. Maybe Valke2 would not care though, I have no idea.

Now, no matter what Valke thinks about this one, you know about it. Yet you were pretty supportive of it(aclu) in earlier posts.

I must admit its brave to say you made an error on some things, but isnt this just one more error you are admitting to?

 

[corvidae]

Really? Maybe Valke2 did not know that. Maybe Valke2 would not care though, I have no idea.

Now, no matter what Valke thinks about this one, you know about it. Yet you were pretty supportive of it(aclu) in earlier posts.

I must admit its brave to say you made an error on some things, but isnt this just one more error you are admitting to?

I admit, I probably seemed quite supportive of them. I disagree with them on many many subjects, but do not believe they are as evil as some posters seem to claim.

Now in that example again I was saying I did not agree with them, but I was using it as an example of them not attacking JUST CHRISTIANS. It may be of interest that the lawyer defending the march was indeed Jewish.

I believe that they do try and defend rights. I think sometimes someone says their rights are violated and can make an argument for it, even if they do not care that their rights are violated and just care about getting their way.

I think the ACLU should be reigned in a little bit, and I also believe that the ACLU could be a wonderful organization.

Note could be, not is.

A lone Raven

p.s.- I could be wrong about the ACLU, however, it seems that not the majority of their work is against Christians, or even against religion.
So it seems that they are not quite the evil that some here claim them to be.

 

[bella5110]

I admit, I probably seemed quite supportive of them. I disagree with them on many many subjects, but do not believe they are as evil as some posters seem to claim.

Now in that example again I was saying I did not agree with them, but I was using it as an example of them not attacking JUST CHRISTIANS. It may be of interest that the lawyer defending the march was indeed Jewish.

I believe that they do try and defend rights. I think sometimes someone says their rights are violated and can make an argument for it, even if they do not care that their rights are violated and just care about getting their way.

I think the ACLU should be reigned in a little bit, and I also believe that the ACLU could be a wonderful organization.

Note could be, not is.

A lone Raven

p.s.- I could be wrong about the ACLU, however, it seems that not the majority of their work is against Christians, or even against religion.
So it seems that they are not quite the evil that some here claim them to be.

Of course the attorney was Jewish, most of the ACLU are non-christians and atheists…

 

[corvidae]

Of course the attorney was Jewish, most of the ACLU are non-christians and atheists…

Stats bella stats,
Show me so I don’t just have to trust you.

p.s.- note that a Jewish attorney was protecting a Neo-nazi right to free speech. I would guess that in doing so he was not trying to attack the Jews.

A lone Raven