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Stats bella stats,
If it is a fact, I would guess you could back it up with unbiased facts.
p.s.- note that a Jewish attorney was protecting a Neo-nazi right to free speech. I would guess that in doing so he was not trying to attack the Jews.
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It is not immoral to argue for the removal of religious icons from public property. It is not immoral to defend people accused of crimes. It is not immoral to defend freedom of speech, even if the people speaking are from NAMBLA. THe ACLU has defended churches as well. It is not immoral to defend a church.
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You name me one court case where the ACLU defended a church, a Catholic church, and back it up with facts.
ever hear of Edith Stien???
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Valke2
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Bella, let’s stop dancing around the issue. Just come out and tell us how you really feel about Jews. So far, I’ve had to listen to you talk about how some of your “best friends are jewish”, how you asked me if I worked for the ACLU, apparently because I was Jewish, how the attorneys for evil are Jewish. Why not just drop the pretense and let’s call a yid a yid. It gets tiresome ignoring the white elephant in the room.
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In the United States Supreme Court over the past few years, the American Civil Liberties Union has taken the side of a fundamentalist Christian church, a Santerian church, and the International Society for Krishna Consciousness. In celebrated cases, the ACLU has stood up for everyone from Oliver North to the National Socialist Party. In spite of all that, the ACLU has never advocated Christianity, ritual animal sacrifice, trading arms for hostages or genocide.
aclu.org/freespeech/protest/11289prs20000831.html
aclu.org/freespeech/protest/11289prs20000831.html
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bella5110
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Krishna consciousness??
Now we have someone who sticks up for the ACLU, typical…
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bella5110
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I like the Jewish people, it’s the ones and you should know this as an educated person, that George soros and the like are out to destroy Christians. There are too many to name, so I will not bash the Jewish faith as there are a lot of good people. I don’t like the Jews who think the world owes them something, and the ones who worship money. In the final analysis, it is between you and God, it wasn’t between you and them anyway…
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umm…what does the conversion of Edith Stein have to do with the ACLU?
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ok. I suppose that’s about as honest an answer as I’ll get from you. At least you were able to avoid saying “you people”.
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Valke2
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I guess you missed the part about the ACLU representing a fundamentalist christian church.Krishna consciousness??
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No, but I am glad you know the story. I admire and pray to her. She was the smartest woman I ever read about. she was a brilliant philosopher. Doesn’t her story tell you something?
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bella,
It does seem like you are attacking Valke for being Jewish. Now, I know this is not your intent, so perhaps you should re-read your statements before posting them. Just so they cannot be misinterpreted.
Now, I would still like to see those stats on Atheist in the ACLU.
A lone Raven
It does seem like you are attacking Valke for being Jewish. Now, I know this is not your intent, so perhaps you should re-read your statements before posting them. Just so they cannot be misinterpreted.
Now, I would still like to see those stats on Atheist in the ACLU.
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Hmm… That’s funny. I seem to recall having a longer list there in my original post.
You seem to have conveniently ignored these: defending Planned Parenthood and abortion, including partial birth abortion, defending same-sex marriage, defending pornographers.By the way, there is no defending the Jewish position on abortion. It’s simply indefensible:
aish.com/societyWork/sciencenature/Abortion_in_Jewish_Law.asp
Apparently, in Jewish law, a child is only a “partial life” until it’s head emerges into the world. As such, the “full life” of the mother takes precedence over the “partial life” of the child:
judaism.about.com/library/3_askrabbi_o/bl_simmons_birthcontrolabortion.htm
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If you really want to know. It tells me that even the smartest of people can make mistakes. When I am in a more tolerant mood, it tells me that everyone has to find their own path. It also tells me that she was confused about her religious life. SHe was a Jew, an atheist, and a catholic. We’ll never know if she would have chosen to return to Judaism had the Nazi’s not murdered her.
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Ok. It is not immoral to defend Planned parenthood on matters of free speech, or other matters. IT is not immoral to defend same sex marriages. It is not immoral to defend free speech, even when the client is a pornographer.Hmm… That’s funny. I seem to recall having a longer list there in my original post.
By the way, there is no defending the Jewish position on abortion. It’s simply indefensible:
aish.com/societyWork/sciencenature/Abortion_in_Jewish_Law.asp
Apparently, in Jewish law, a child is only a “partial life” until it’s head emerges into the world. As such, the “full life” of the mother takes precedence over the “partial life” of the child:
judaism.about.com/library/3_askrabbi_o/bl_simmons_birthcontrolabortion.htm
Btw, the Jewish position on abortion is eminently defensible. YOu just don’t agree with it. That’s fine. I’ve discussed this topic thorougly on other threads. Feel free review my posts at your leisure.
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Sorry, did you think that Planned Parenthood only gives speeches? You may not be aware of this, but Planned Parenthood kills infants. That is immoral and indefensible and the ACLU’s defense of their rights to kills infants is immoral.
You may not be aware of this also, but defending the right of homosexuals to marry, aids and abets homosexuals in getting laws passed for them to enter into a charade marriage. The actions of the ACLU to aid and abet homosexual marriage is immoral.
Promoting the pornography industry by fighting cases which will allow porno companies to pedal their smut is immoral, especially when the defense is of pedophiles like members of NAMBLA.
Thanks. As you stated, I don’t agree with it. There is never a morally acceptable reason to kill a child. I also find the definition of a child in-utero as having a “partial life” as abhorrent. In fact, I find all other religions’ positions on abortion to be unacceptable. Only the Catholic Church has this one right, praise be to God, as He protects the Church from these errors.
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I’m aware of what Planned Parenthood does. Providing them a legal defense is not immoral. You disagree. I get that.
Again, I don’t think it is immoral to provide gays with legal representation. You do. I get that.
[QUTOE]Promoting the pornography industry by fighting cases which will allow porno companies to pedal their smut is immoral, especially when the defense is of pedophiles like members of NAMBLA.
That’s fine. Except the ACLU doesn’t promote the porno industury or pedopheila. I posted, directly from their webpage, their statement regarding this. You are free to ignore it, discount it. I think what they said makes sense. Personally, I think it is immoral not to defend the right of free speech.
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Wrong…but I figured you would see it in a negative way. I read her books, saw her movie. She was mad at ther mother for not showing or telling her about The New Testament. She wasn’t “confused”. She researched for years realizing about Jesus was truly The Messiah. She knew so much that she became a Catholic nun. She is a Saint now. Her Saints name is St. Tereas Benedicta.
She may have had Jewish roots, but died a Catholic.
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Now, if you know it isn’t my intent, why even mention it Corvidae, to start a fight? And I know exactly what I say before posting. If you don’t like it, well then don’t comment.
Because you know nothing about the ACLU, shows me that you do not realize the Catholic bashing that goes on all over the world. Research it yourself.
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