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I think mine is getting the message, already see of her old self returning. I just start going out doing what I wanted a couple of days a week, and not telling her where I was going or what I was going to do. Second night, she was getting a little concerned. But I still held my ground so she would understand how I feel about her secret club. In the past, we always did things together, and if one of our jobs or something else came up that would disrupt our plans, we would work it out and commit to another date that would be locked in stone. Wish you the best with your problem, and sorry I can’t help you with prayers, I just dont believe in them.
 
I think mine is getting the message, already see of her old self returning. I just start going out doing what I wanted a couple of days a week, and not telling her where I was going or what I was going to do. Second night, she was getting a little concerned. But I still held my ground so she would understand how I feel about her secret club. In the past, we always did things together, and if one of our jobs or something else came up that would disrupt our plans, we would work it out and commit to another date that would be locked in stone. Wish you the best with your problem, and sorry I can’t help you with prayers, I just dont believe in them.
I’m glad things are looking up for you. I hope things continue to improve as your wife looks at things from your perspective and begins to truly understand how you feel. Hope this rough patch is over for the two of you and that you can put ACTS behind you.

Since you don’t go the prayer route, your good wishes for me and mine will do just fine:). Thanks!👍
 
Wow! Can’t believe I caught up to this thread and what I found.

I’m on my way to a prayer meeting tonight with my fellow “cultists” where we all drink the purple KoolAid.

Many of you have it all wrong. If it’s not for you, let it go. If you don’t know and want to learn about it, give it a weekend (I’m not on commission) and then make up your own mind.

The ACTS experience has been a great step in my faith journey. I’m sure there are other ministries just as good but this is what I found as a result of some "prodding’ by a “brother” who wouldn’t give up on me. Yeah, he annoyed me for 4 years! He’s become a good friend because he had the faith in me and knew I could become something I wasn’t up until them.

I’m not that analytical so, I can’t really tell you if it’s emotional or spiritual but… any way that God wants to get into my thick skull is fine by me. And if some of you want to call it a crutch, be my guest. It’s nothing compared to what my atheist, agnostic and “Catholic” friends have already told me.

I’ve read about the bad singing of “stolen” songs, the “secrets” from spouses, the “pressure to sign up more” and the “quota”.

Again, I’m a simple guy, cradle Catholic, that wasn’t too into his faith. I’ve become a better husband, father, neighbor and friend as a result of a great group of spiritual guys who gave up their spare time to save a wretch like me. The group I’ve come to know are former Sunday morning couch potatoes who watched their wives and kids pack it all up and head off to Mass and CCD while the “day of rest” husband watched from his football game or computer screen. Now sinner and saints come together every month or so, outside of Mass, and at least try to be better Catholics. Some were ashamed to admit that they had to go out a buy a Bible for the 1st time (guilty)! Not all of us succeed but we are still trying 2 years after our retreat. And, you know, I’ve seen quite a few of them across the pews on more Sundays and Holy Days than just the mandatory “family man” Christmas and Easter events.

I have prayed more in the 2 years since my 1st ACTS retreat than I probably have my whole life. I pray for strangers, ACTS brothers and sisters in need and even those who won’t let me pray for them.
I pray for the "YBIC"s and the "YSIC"s of the clique because they are not afraid to reach out and ask for help. We found out through ACTS that a parishioner was going through hard times and was too proud to ask for financial help. Now a bunch of us “drop by” with meals to help him out. I would have never known this if it wasn’t for the ACTS community and its efforts in small community within the parish. Our pastor has not been on an ACTS retreat but figures that something must be right about it. Many parish ministries that went begging year after year for volunteer help have seen an uptick thanks to these people that have had their smoldering faith sparked into a fire – the fire of the Holy Spirit!

At times, I realize that many of my pew mates are probably going through difficult times and I also pray for them. I don’t exclude them but I can’t force them to even ask a simple request such as" pray for me". We’re Catholics, you know, not into that “touchy feely” emotional thing. Yeah, ACTS people hug each other. That’s still a little hard for me but it’s getting easier. It has a funny way of disarming one another. We sing too. Some of us aren’t that bad and others are down right terrible but imagine that, a Catholic man singing! Isn’t it praying twice? And to think I used to let the choir “perform”! ACTS people may start out on bad renditions of Amy Grant because this may be the only “hymn” they remember from that weekend. It’s the job of a good parish music director to seek out those same men (and women) and get them singing in Latin! It works, I’ve seen it! Open a new door to them.

My wife went through the same disconnect experiences I’ve read many times in this thread after I shared what I could with her in those “vague” terms. After the post-retreat settled in, my wife saw me trying and was happy to witness a spark she had never seen. She opened herself to try it. She told me that Sunday she returned that she was grateful I never told told her all I went through that weekend. She has never shared what happened in hers and I let it go. She’s not keeping secrets, she’s respecting her sisters’ requests. Many married neighbors and friends have hidden much more serious issues from one another and I’ve seen many marriages dissolve when those items come to light. The confidentiality of ACTS may give that person the courage to address other marital issues and maybe heal a marriage (maybe not).
I, in my opinion, cannot fathom why this “secrecy” of the inner workings of an ACTS retreat can even be put anywhere on that plain.

While my enhanced journey (thanks to ACTS) has resulted in being on a team, I haven’t been “pulled in”. I’ve skipped retreats and turned down offers to be on another team. No one I know is keeping score. They welcome the help when it comes and let others get a shot on the team experience.
The retreats are not for all. Some retreatants put up with it, others fight it, some left it mid-retreat but a few were opened up by it (for the 1st time in their lives).

Please don’t criticize those that have found the face of Jesus in others after attending a weekend retreat. It worked for them and the world is a little better because of it

Gotta go! The vat of KoolAid is calling all of us YBICs!

Be not afraid.
 
Wow! Can’t believe I caught up to this thread and what I found.

I’m on my way to a prayer meeting tonight with my fellow “cultists” where we all drink the purple KoolAid.

Many of you have it all wrong. If it’s not for you, let it go. If you don’t know and want to learn about it, give it a weekend (I’m not on commission) and then make up your own mind.



Please don’t criticize those that have found the face of Jesus in others after attending a weekend retreat. It worked for them and the world is a little better because of it

Gotta go! The vat of KoolAid is calling all of us YBICs!

Be not afraid.
I’m glad that ACTS has been so good for you, but that hasn’t been the case for everyone, so I don’t think your post was very fair and the sarcasm was not helpful. Perhaps you haven’t read all of my posts, but I am trying to support my husband in regard to ACTS even though I don’t understand it and have found ACTS to be a negative for me. My intent in posting originally (over a year ago now) was to try to find out if I was alone in finding ACTS to be negative, not to criticize the ACTS community. Since then, I’ve also wondered if it might be possible to find a way to change ACTS in regard to spouses so that others would not suffer the same negatives that I have.

Perhaps you can add your positive experiences with ACTS to the poll I created once you have been a CAF member long enough to vote in polls. I wanted to try to fairly illuminate the overall effect of ACTS on retreatants and spouses.

ACTS poll here: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=332248
 
Have to wonder about Mr Hun’s sarcastic humor. One thing I have noticed for sure about the local “diehards”, the ACTs thing is all they have. For whatever reason, their social circle is strictly church and or act members. I am glad I am not one of their kids. Can you imagine being brainwashed with all this? I have always believed that no one should be expose to religion till they have the ability to make rational decisions. But that should be another topic. From the outside looking in, I still think the ACT movement is dangerous. But I am sure the church likes it because it gets “dedicated volunteers” and money.
 
I guess you might say the ACT movement has claimed its first family…I thought it was getting back to normal, but instead, I have her ACT lady friends on me now for not supporting her. The camel now has a broken back, I am going this weekend to buy my own house, she can do what she wants. I can feel my blood pressure going back to normal already. Maybe a singles cruise will put things back into perspective. Wish all who have problems the best of luck dealing with them, life is too short to be fighting over things like this.
 
I guess you might say the ACT movement has claimed its first family…I thought it was getting back to normal, but instead, I have her ACT lady friends on me now for not supporting her. The camel now has a broken back, I am going this weekend to buy my own house, she can do what she wants. I can feel my blood pressure going back to normal already. Maybe a singles cruise will put things back into perspective. Wish all who have problems the best of luck dealing with them, life is too short to be fighting over things like this.
MrAgnostic, I am sorry to hear things are not going well. Before you take the steps you indicated, perhaps you and your wife can seek counseling or mediation from someone? If you find the clergy at your wife’s Church not acceptable to talk with because you don’t have faith, perhaps a secular marriage counselor would be able to help? Please consider that route before you give up. I will pray for you and your wife. I know you don’t believe in the power of prayer, but I do, so I’ll pray for healing for your family.
 
I understand that some of you’ll don’t care much for ACTS and if this is the case then why do you’ll let it put so much impact on your life???
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    Just let it go and move on to another subject!!! There is no possible way in this life time or any other that we are all going to agree on the same concepts, fellings, faith or things that are open to opinions.We all have our own opinions and are entitled to them!!!!!!!

    Let those that have gone on retreat enjoy it there is no need to be so crutial.
For anyone that has not attented and doesn’t want to, quit trying to make sense of it!!!
I say this from experiance I have been on retreat and my fiancee has not, at first everyting he said bout ACTS was negitive simply cause he didn't know what went on and no one would tell him (his mom has also been on retreart and team.) Now that several months have passed since I went on retreat he will still ask but he has come to the understanding that it is something that we will not do. He has just simply let it go and we have managed not to bring it up.
 
I understand that some of you’ll don’t care much for ACTS and if this is the case then why do you’ll let it put so much impact on your life???
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    Just let it go and move on to another subject!!! There is no possible way in this life time or any other that we are all going to agree on the same concepts, fellings, faith or things that are open to opinions.We all have our own opinions and are entitled to them!!!!!!!

    Let those that have gone on retreat enjoy it there is no need to be so crutial.
For anyone that has not attented and doesn’t want to, quit trying to make sense of it!!!
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   I say this from experiance I have been on retreat and my fiancee has not, at first everyting he said bout ACTS was negitive simply cause he didn't know what went on and no one would tell him (his mom has also been on retreart and team.) Now that several months have passed since I went on retreat he will still ask but he has come to the understanding that it is something that we will not do. He has just simply let it go and we have managed not to bring it up.
I don’t think you quite understand. I’m not asking my husband about ACTS anymore. I did a year or so ago after he first went, but no more. I’m trying as best I can to not let ACTS negatively impact my life anymore. After giving me very little when I WAS interested and WAS asking questions, finally hubby has made a few comments about ACTS since beginning his Saturday morning team meetings a few weeks ago. He wanted to use the computer when I had this thread open once and saw the title and I guess thought I had become curious about and interested in discussing ACTS and, therefore, interested in attending an ACTS retreat. I guess he thought because we haven’t talked about it for some time, all the negatives have gone away, and if I was discussing ACTS with others, that was a sign that I was now interested and wanted to go myself. I simply told him I was interested in discussing ACTS on this thread. I’m still not sure he understands my feelings. But, I am trying to not let that matter. Hubby still likes the effects of ACTS for him. Good for him. It is my hope to just let ACTS go and not let it impact my life anymore. I’m trying, believe me.
 
SwizzleStick, here is the deal. Your Husband would love for you to attend an Acts retreat for yourself. It’s not that Acts is this big secret. It is not like that at all and it certainly is not a cult of any kind. That is just crazy talk and always comes from people who have no idea about Acts. The best way I have ever heard it put is that we don’t tell people who have not attended Acts anything about it because that is a huge part of the experience and we would not want to unwrap the gift before we give it to you. It is kinda like Christmas morning. What do you think that would be like if everyone already knew what they were going to get before that morning even arrived. SwizzleStick, just relax, let go and let God. I understand that you think he is keeping something from you and I understand that this bothers you but it isn’t a bad thing. He is hoping you will attend a retreat and he would never want to unwrap the gift before you even get it. Once you attend, I promise you will understand his reasons and you will always have the same response when someone ask you about it. SwizzleStick, your gift has been wrapped, God is calling you to come and receive it. Peace be with you! Email me if you have any further questions. (Jay0870@Yahoo.com)
 
SwizzleStick, here is the deal. Your Husband would love for you to attend an Acts retreat for yourself. It’s not that Acts is this big secret. It is not like that at all and it certainly is not a cult of any kind. That is just crazy talk and always comes from people who have no idea about Acts. The best way I have ever heard it put is that we don’t tell people who have not attended Acts anything about it because that is a huge part of the experience and we would not want to unwrap the gift before we give it to you. It is kinda like Christmas morning. What do you think that would be like if everyone already knew what they were going to get before that morning even arrived. SwizzleStick, just relax, let go and let God. I understand that you think he is keeping something from you and I understand that this bothers you but it isn’t a bad thing. He is hoping you will attend a retreat and he would never want to unwrap the gift before you even get it. Once you attend, I promise you will understand his reasons and you will always have the same response when someone ask you about it. SwizzleStick, your gift has been wrapped, God is calling you to come and receive it. Peace be with you! Email me if you have any further questions. (Jay0870@Yahoo.com)
Is the purpose for being secretive structure to elicit a emotional reaction from the retreatant?
 
Is the purpose for being secretive structure to elicit a emotional reaction from the retreatant?
Nope.

He already explained it pretty well. But if the activities were talked about ahead of time, it would seem like no big deal. Everyone would just think here , “well, thats no big deal”. Honestly

But when a retreatant trusts and is vulnerable and risks their pride and risks letting go of control, and they are taken care of , and loved, that is when the person goes through an amazing process of change in themselves. They bond with others around them. These retreats have an actual process that has been studied thoroughly.
 
Nope.

He already explained it pretty well. But if the activities were talked about ahead of time, it would seem like no big deal. Everyone would just think here , “well, thats no big deal”. Honestly

But when a retreatant trusts and is vulnerable and risks their pride and risks letting go of control, and they are taken care of , and loved, that is when the person goes through an amazing process of change in themselves. They bond with others around them. These retreats have an actual process that has been studied thoroughly.
You contradict yourself. If it’s no big deal then no reason for being secretive. And what you descibe in your second paragraph sounds more to do with pop psy transformation than anything else related to theologcial or philsophical growth. You could get an emotional transformation from an AMWAY convention
 
You contradict yourself. If it’s no big deal then no reason for being secretive. And what you descibe in your second paragraph sounds more to do with pop psy transformation than anything else related to theologcial or philsophical growth. You could get an emotional transformation from an AMWAY convention
I don’t contradict myself at all. Thats the whole point of it. NOT KNOWING whats going to happen before hand is the point itself. Doesn’t matter what the activity is…

This transformation I am talking about is one that has been studied thouroughly as I said before. This is part of the ongoing faith process, in faith development, with an understanding that there are deep connections to psychological factors. Its not “pop psy”. It is real psy.
 
I don’t contradict myself at all. Thats the whole point of it. NOT KNOWING whats going to happen before hand is the point itself. Doesn’t matter what the activity is…

This transformation I am talking about is one that has been studied thouroughly as I said before. This is part of the ongoing faith process, in faith development, with an understanding that there are deep connections to psychological factors. Its not “pop psy”. It is real psy.
It’s still psy. When you equate spatiality, to catholic mysticism, to philosophy and theology you water down the spiritual sense to scientific psychology.

And yes you are contradicting yourself. If it’s no big deal to talk about what goes on in these retreats then the emotional impact shouldn’t be affected by participating in them.

I’ve been to “process” retreats before, hated them, and resolved to not go to any more retreats without first knowing something about the retreat. So given that…if you still believe there’s something in ACTS for me you won’t persuade me with “it’s wonderful.” I may like ACTS but I not about to spend another weekend in some pop psy “process.” I don’t care for the emphasis on emotionalism (esp the charismatic stuff), I’ve told others that, but it seems to get tuned out. I went to the candle light service that everyone says is so wonderful. I didn’t care for it. There’s other ways to worship God. But when I’ve told other people I did like candlelight they have take offense as if it were a put down on them and the ACTS community.
 
It’s still psy. When you equate spatiality, to catholic mysticism, to philosophy and theology you water down the spiritual sense to scientific psychology.

And yes you are contradicting yourself. If it’s no big deal to talk about what goes on in these retreats then the emotional impact shouldn’t be affected by participating in them.

I’ve been to “process” retreats before, hated them, and resolved to not go to any more retreats without first knowing something about the retreat. So given that…if you still believe there’s something in ACTS for me you won’t persuade me with “it’s wonderful.” I may like ACTS but I not about to spend another weekend in some pop psy “process.” I don’t care for the emphasis on emotionalism (esp the charismatic stuff), I’ve told others that, but it seems to get tuned out. I went to the candle light service that everyone says is so wonderful. I didn’t care for it. There’s other ways to worship God. But when I’ve told other people I did like candlelight they have take offense as if it were a put down on them and the ACTS community.
No, I am not contradicting myself. I didn’t say it wasn’t a big deal to talk about what goes on. I said the activities itself is not a big deal. You woudlnt’ think its a big deal.

And psychology is not necessarily emotionalism. Emotions are God-given by the way, not seomthing to be avoided at all costs, but rather evaluated and used for good.
 
a faith built on emotion is a faith built on sand. A faith built upon theological, philosophical, and spiritual understanding cannot be shattered by life’s trials. 2+2= 4 no matter how you feel. The Creed is a statement about belief, not feelings. Let me say it to you again, I will not go to anymore retreats that emphasis emotional responses from those attending. I was told to go to candlelight because of how much I would enjoy it. I did not enjoy it. If you want an orgy of heavy emotionalism from friends and strangers alike go for it…but it ain’t for me. And it isn’t for a lot of other people too. I know some others who didn’t like the service. Like others, you keep trying to convince me retreats that have an emphasis on emotions is something I should want to take part in. I have been to them. ACTS might be fun but I do not intend to sit through anymore testimonials, not from people I know or strangers. Like pop psy these process retreats work to create an social atmosphere where group psychology works to illicit, social/peer pressure, on a person spilling their guts that they otherwise would not.
 
a faith built on emotion is a faith built on sand. A faith built upon theological, philosophical, and spiritual understanding cannot be shattered by life’s trials. 2+2= 4 no matter how you feel. The Creed is a statement about belief, not feelings. Let me say it to you again, I will not go to anymore retreats that emphasis emotional responses from those attending. I was told to go to candlelight because of how much I would enjoy it. I did not enjoy it. If you want an orgy of heavy emotionalism from friends and strangers alike go for it…but it ain’t for me. And it isn’t for a lot of other people too. I know some others who didn’t like the service. Like others, you keep trying to convince me retreats that have an emphasis on emotions is something I should want to take part in. I have been to them. ACTS might be fun but I do not intend to sit through anymore testimonials, not from people I know or strangers. Like pop psy these process retreats work to create an social atmosphere where group psychology works to illicit, social/peer pressure, on a person spilling their guts that they otherwise would not.
I know faith is about moral facts and truth. I have said before I know it isn’t about emotinalism. You keep arguing this, but I haven’t denied it.
And probably for the umpteenth time, the retreats are not all about emotionalism. You keep insisting it is, and I’ve given concrete explanations how there are other things, such as specific faith formation ideas that come into play…these are hard facts. You just repeating yourself the opposite of what I say is not doing anything here. I’ve made my explanations.

I have in no way tried to convince you to attend. I have said nothing in any way of the sort, so don’t you dare twist my words and make this into something that is not. I’ve simplied answered some of your questions and accusations. The fact that you’ve already been to a process retreat would kind of not make sense for you to go again anyway. I never said this was for everyone either. I’m not arguing with you about things that you seem to think we are arguing about.
 
I know faith is about moral facts and truth. I have said before I know it isn’t about emotinalism. You keep arguing this, but I haven’t denied it.
And probably for the umpteenth time, the retreats are not all about emotionalism. You keep insisting it is, and I’ve given concrete explanations how there are other things, such as specific faith formation ideas that come into play…these are hard facts. You just repeating yourself the opposite of what I say is not doing anything here. I’ve made my explanations.

I have in no way tried to convince you to attend. I have said nothing in any way of the sort, so don’t you dare twist my words and make this into something that is not. I’ve simplied answered some of your questions and accusations. The fact that you’ve already been to a process retreat would kind of not make sense for you to go again anyway. I never said this was for everyone either. I’m not arguing with you about things that you seem to think we are arguing about.
there are only two reason to keep something secret. 1 to hide a truth or knowledge from someone else or 2 to maximize an emotional response for an intended audience, ie retreatant. You said yourself it’s like having a suprise birthday party…well, if not an emphasis on a person response? Using an analogy, how would a surprise birthday party relate moral facts and truth?
 
there are only two reason to keep something secret. 1 to hide a truth or knowledge from someone else or 2 to maximize an emotional response for an intended audience, ie retreatant. You said yourself it’s like having a suprise birthday party…well, if not an emphasis on a person response? Using an analogy, how would a surprise birthday party relate moral facts and truth?
Those are NOT the only reasons to keep something secret. I’ve already explained a 3rd reason. You are refusing to acknowledge it.

2nd, I don’t remember saying it was like a surpise birthday party…yes, that is for emotional response. but that is not the only thing we are talking about here.

This conversation is fruitless because you aren’t even acknowledging the facts that I have put before you, you just keep repeating yourself over and over and its going nowhere.
 
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