Adam and Eve? That's just mythology, says Pell

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And epigenetics is factored in? :hmmm:
Well, epigenetics has to do with material that is not incorporated into the gene loci of the chromosome and is subject in action to environmental influence. That is, epigenetic material isn’t part of the “rungs of the DNA ladder.” It’s not like it can just migrate into and out of the genome.
 
Seems to me that genes, either dominant or recessive, are inherited by chance. For example red hair can skip successive generations.
I don’t know how this is related to what I wrote, but genes are “dominant” or “recessive” in relation to one another, not as an inherent property.
 
Cardinal Pell said humans “probably” evolved from Neanderthals but it was impossible to say exactly when there was a first human. “But we have to say if there are humans, there must have been a first one,” he said.
If he really said this, he should stick to being a Cardinal. Obviously, since *neanderthalensis *and **sapiens sapiens **were contemporaneous and evolved separately from one another, neither came from the other but both from a previous form.
 
Well, epigenetics has to do with material that is not incorporated into the gene loci of the chromosome and is subject in action to environmental influence. That is, epigenetic material isn’t part of the “rungs of the DNA ladder.” It’s not like it can just migrate into and out of the genome.
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If he really said this, he should stick to being a Cardinal. Obviously, since *neanderthalensis *and **sapiens sapiens **were contemporaneous and evolved separately from one another, neither came from the other but both from a previous form.
Current source?
 
If he really said this, he should stick to being a Cardinal. Obviously, since *neanderthalensis *and **sapiens sapiens **were contemporaneous and evolved separately from one another, neither came from the other but both from a previous form.
We do have a common ancestor but what I think he’s got right is that anatomically modern humans emerged after neanderthal populations were already established in Europe and the Near East. Then our ancestors replaced and/or intermarried with theirs.
 
If he really said this, he should stick to being a Cardinal.
Maybe he’s running for pope.

Ultimately, I think this whole issue will be decided at the Vatical III council.
Obviously, since *neanderthalensis *and **sapiens sapiens **were contemporaneous and evolved separately from one another, neither came from the other but both from a previous form.
I remember somewhere evidence uncovered that we have neanderthal genes, probably by the occassional cross mating.
 
What it does address is the present diversity in our human population. No matter how one looks at human origin, once the first human person Adam came to be, he was subject to the laws of creation including the changes which normally occur in living material anatomies.
Correct. However, the laws of the world do not allow all of the humanity to be descended from a single couple, given the present human diversity.

Upholding the Humani Generis view would require a major divine intervention (or a violation of laws of nature if you will). Such event, however, would leave an obvous, distinct signature, both in the genetic material and in the fossil record. And we have nothing like this.
Cardinal Pell said humans “probably” evolved from Neanderthals but it was impossible to say exactly when there was a first human. “But we have to say if there are humans, there must have been a first one,” he said.
Ouch.
  1. Neanderthals appeared before modern humans. In fact, Neanderthals posit a major theological problem: there is evidence that they could speak and we have found some of them intentionally buried in a fetal position with amulets, which indicates a belief in afterlife. All that before modern human appeared on Earth.
  2. There is evidence that modern humans have interbred with Neanderthals, however it seems that the success of this was limited. Although I believe that I had Neanderthal ancestors 🙂
  3. The very concept of the first human was problematic. To illustrate:
Suppose you put in line all of your ancestors all the way back to Homo erectus. Assume, for the purpose of the argument, that Homo erectus was not human. The concept of the first human implies that you can point to one ancestor who already was human, while his father was not. Problem is, you will have trouble finding one who suddenly appears different; for all we know, the change was slow and gradual.

It even becomes difficult to draw a line between different species of hominids. To wit:

A modern human looks like that: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Indian_family_in_Brazil_posed_in_front_of_hut.jpg

This is his ancestor, homo rhodesiensis: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rhodesian_Men.jpg

His likely brother, the Neanderthal: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Neandertaler-im-Museum.jpg

Homo heidelbergensis, the father of Neanderthal and homo rhodesesiensis: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Homo_heidelbergensis_(10233446).jpg

He appears to have descended from homo ergaster: farm1.static.flickr.com/178/404063706_dc9274fc47.jpg

Whose ancestor homo erectus, looked like this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Daka_Homo_erectus.jpg
1.Are humans limited to knowledge from the material/physical world?

2.Does this limited knowledge from the material world necessarily, absolutely exclude all knowledge of the spiritual world?
The only reason we are having this discussion is that the two contradict.
  1. Are humans free to believe in God?
Yes.
 
I don’t know how this is related to what I wrote, but genes are “dominant” or “recessive” in relation to one another, not as an inherent property.
I was referring to genes being inherited by a child. For example, recessive genes are only expressed when an individual carries two copies of them. What I am demonstrating is that genetic diversity in a population also depends on an element of chance at conception.

This link has some interesting information. evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/search_results.php?cx=003224187473994356885%3Ayllsipkdpfm&q=recessive+gene&cof=FORID%3A11&x=19&y=7
 
I was referring to genes being inherited by a child. For example, recessive genes are only expressed when an individual carries two copies of them. What I am demonstrating is that genetic diversity in a population also depends on an element of chance at conception.
It does not. Law of large numbers.
 
We do have a common ancestor but what I think he’s got right is that anatomically modern humans emerged after neanderthal populations were already established in Europe and the Near East. Then our ancestors replaced and/or intermarried with theirs.
One needs to keep in mind that contemporary humans are more than anatomically modern.
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We do have a common ancestor but what I think he’s got right is that anatomically modern humans emerged after neanderthal populations were already established in Europe and the Near East. Then our ancestors replaced and/or intermarried with theirs.
This is not correct. Neanderthals and anatomically modern humans emerged in different areas at the same time. Neanderthals settled in western Europe and radiated from there, the AMH were an east African group that migrated into Europe and Asia.

Very recently, it was found that there was at least some interbreeding. It is also known that in the middle east, the two species or subspecies, lived at the same time but as separate groups.

Both types have clear predecessors in the fossil record going back at least 150-200kya. Neither of these types evolved from one another.
 
I was referring to genes being inherited by a child. For example, recessive genes are only expressed when an individual carries two copies of them.
What I am demonstrating is that genetic diversity in a population also depends on an element of chance at conception.
No, what you are “demonstrating” is that phenotypic variation among individuals is a function of inheritance. Which is partially correct.

Genetic diversity in a population has nothing to do with what is recessive or dominant.
 
We do have a common ancestor but what I think he’s got right is that anatomically modern humans emerged after neanderthal populations were already established in Europe and the Near East. Then our ancestors replaced and/or intermarried with theirs.
One needs to keep in mind that contemporary humans are more than anatomically modern.
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I have not been following this thread but I hope Adam and Eve are already gone and change into what they are: a tale on the faith that God created the Universe, Man and that Man is sinner.
 
I have not been following this thread but I hope Adam and Eve are already gone and change into what they are: a tale on the faith that God created the Universe, Man and that Man is sinner.
Did you miss the part describing the beautiful relationship between a real human and his real Creator? That is what gives his descendants, you and me, hope for eternal love in the presence of the Beatific Vision.
 
Mythology per se does not imply falsity. It’s a more modern meaning to equate myths with untruths.
For example, why the “first people” settled in a particular area, or how tribes were named – in addition to the activities of the Greek, Roman, and Egyptian gods among others.

I understand what you are saying. Interestingly, when one considers the theological movement to update some Catholic doctrines so that they affirm some scientific theories, the “myth” is not necessarily untruth. What happens is that the truth of Divine Revelation is watered down or replaced by incomplete truths which sidestep Catholic doctrines. For example, humans, as their consciousness emerged, became aware that there was evil. Unfortunately, there are a few people who will not recognize that statements like that omit Original Sin and the need for reconciliation with God.
 
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