Adam and Eve

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SteveVH said:
Actually, that isn’t even true. Doesn’t the Mormon god have a god of his own? Isn’t there an eternal regression of Gods? In that case no God is supreme, he always has someone above him.
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He is a supreme being in relation to us. We only worship God. But acknowledge the existence of other gods. But we don’t bother with them because they are not our God.
 
TheIrishman said:
He is a supreme being in relation to us. We only worship God. But acknowledge the existence of other gods. But we don’t bother with them because they are not our God.
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Being supreme is not relative. Can I say that I am supreme in relation to a fly? No, because I am not a supreme being by nature. God is supreme because there is no one above him, not in relation to us, but in relation to himself.
 
SteveVH said:
Being supreme is not relative. Can I say that I am supreme in relation to a fly? No, because I am not a supreme being by nature. God is supreme because there is no one above him, not in relation to us, but in relation to himself.
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Good point. I guess the two aren’t even the same in supremacy. That’s a very good point to make, thank you for sharing.
 
TheIrishman said:
Good point. I guess the two aren’t even the same in supremacy. That’s a very good point to make, thank you for sharing.
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Mormon theology is the reason that Mormon baptisms are not accepted by the Catholic Church. They actually say the right words (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) and use the right elements (water) but it is evident that they do not believe in the same God, therefore it is invalid as a Christian baptism. The intent to Baptize in the name of the one and only God is missing. Instead they are Baptized into three gods.
 
Does anyone know what happened to the thread on the Mormon Temple in Rome? It suddenly went “poof”.
 
SteveVH said:
Mormon theology is the reason that Mormon baptisms are not accepted by the Catholic Church. They actually say the right words (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) and use the right elements (water) but it is evident that they do not believe in the same God, therefore it is invalid as a Christian baptism. The intent to Baptize in the name of the one and only God is missing. Instead they are Baptized into three gods.
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This is what worries me the most. Because I have only been baptized LDS. If I was to die tomorrow, i wouldn’t be washed clean from original sin. What do you think would happen to me? Where would I go?

This is a sincere question
 
TheIrishman said:
This is what worries me the most. Because I have only been baptized LDS. If I was to die tomorrow, i wouldn’t be washed clean from original sin. What do you think would happen to me? Where would I go?

This is a sincere question
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No one here can say what would be the state of your soul. The CC teaches that when someone dies in a state of mortal sin one is condemned to Hell.
 
TheIrishman said:
This is what worries me the most. Because I have only been baptized LDS. If I was to die tomorrow, i wouldn’t be washed clean from original sin. What do you think would happen to me? Where would I go?

This is a sincere question
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I think you would probably fall under “Baptism of Desire” if you croaked tomorrow. From what I can tell you would accept true Baptism if you were aware of it. That doesn’t replace an actual Baptism once you are aware of it, however. Let me put it this way. God does not get us on a technicality. He alone knows your heart. That being said, should you decide that the true Church is not the LDS Church, then you should consider getting Baptized pronto.
 
TheIrishman said:
This is a big problem that I had while ON my mission. I always had companions that would fight to be accepted as Christians or worshiping same God as others who accused us of worshiping different gods.

I had no problem with it because if you think about it, It’s completely different! The only thing that the Catholic God has in common with the Mormon God is they are both supreme beings. Mormons don’t even like to refer to God as God, they’ll refer to Him as Heavenly Father(changes name). Mormon God has a body(changed nature). Mormon God is separate and distinct from Jesus(Also change in nature). There is nothing similar to either God so I don’t see why the church is so hellbent on trying to have other Christians call us Christian or say we worship the same God just differently. We don’t
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Glad to see you acknowledge the difference. Ah no, Mormons do not worship the same God differently. More important, they worship an entire different God(s) depending how one wants to analyze their explanation of God.

The God of orthodox Christianity is Eternal and ONE and never-changing being. He is NOW!
 
TheIrishman said:
I have a few questions regarding the story of Adam and Eve. For starters, do you view the sin Adam made by partaking of the fobidden fruit a good thing or a bad thing? I’ve been taught in the LDS church that we should thank Adam for what he did because it allowed Adam and Eve to have children and to bring us into the world. Also, do you believe that if Adam had not partaken of the fruit that we would be in paradise right now?
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As for “not being able to have children”, if we look at Genesis 1:28, it says: “God blessed them and God said to them: Be fertile and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it.” God created us as male and female, and then blessed us. God doesn’t give us a blessing that requires sin to fulfill.

God can and does use sin to His own purpose. We sing the Exultet at Easter, which has this line: “O happy fault,. . . which gained for us so great a Redeemer!’” Which isn’t saying, sin is a good thing that we should thank Adam for, but that by Adam’s sin, we know God’s greater mercy, in Jesus Christ. This is because of God’s mercy, not because of our failure (sin).
next question, Is it a literal story or a symbolic story? I’ve been taught its a literal story, but i would like to hear your thoughts on it.
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Truth conveyed via allegory. The message is not about whether two people named Adam and Eve existed, or what year, or for how long. The message is God’s work in creation.
Is Adam the Archangel Michael? Again, this is a common teaching in the LDS faith and would like to get your opinion on it.
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Angels and humans are different creatures. Angels don’t become humans, and humans don’t become angels.
And last question, are we held responsible for the sin of Adam? A common teaching in the LDS faith is that we are accountable for our own sins and not for Adam’s transgression.
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Original Sin is not a description of something we have, it is a description of something we lack. Adam and Eve lived in the immediate presence of God, which was lost when they sinned. Their children could not inherit what they did not have. Christ has reconciled us.
 
SteveVH said:
I think you would probably fall under “Baptism of Desire” if you croaked tomorrow. From what I can tell you would accept true Baptism if you were aware of it. That doesn’t replace an actual Baptism once you are aware of it, however. Let me put it this way. God does not get us on a technicality. He alone knows your heart. That being said, should you decide that the true Church is not the LDS Church, then you should consider getting Baptized pronto.
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Can you explain what “Baptism of Desire” is? I’ve never heard of it.

I’ll be graduating from BYU-IDAHO by December and moving back to Pittsburgh and will start RCIA there.

To be honest, I don’t even think Rexburg has a catholic church. and if it did, would they do RCIA classes?
 
TheIrishman said:
He is a supreme being in relation to us. We only worship God. But acknowledge the existence of other gods. But we don’t bother with them because they are not our God.
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Other gods? That just blows my mind away that Mormons would be believe something so bizarre. I cannot think of any place of Scripture where God teaches others gods exist out there? Yes…rebellious angels and some humans would desire to worshipped as gods,but they are not gods but a bunch wannabees.
 
TheIrishman said:
Can you explain what “Baptism of Desire” is? I’ve never heard of it.

I’ll be graduating from BYU-IDAHO by December and moving back to Pittsburgh and will start RCIA there.

To be honest, I don’t even think Rexburg has a catholic church. and if it did, would they do RCIA classes?
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Yes…every Roman Catholic parish should offer an RCIA process for the unbaptized and converts. Trust me, I am a Director of Catechetical Ministry at a parish in So. Cal.
 
Nicea325 said:
Other gods? That just blows my mind away that Mormons would be believe something so bizarre. I cannot think of any place of Scripture where God teaches others gods exist out there? Yes…rebellious angels and some humans would desire to worshipped as gods,but they are not gods but a bunch wannabees.
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Want to know how i first started to doubt? I went through the temple back in 2007 for the first time and saw the video’s and such. But while i was there I thought to myself…

“in the beginning, Satan tries to put himself on the same level as God and gets cast out for doing so. But by the end of our lives and journey back to God, we in turn become like God and be gods ourselves? That sounds a lot like Satan’s plan from the beginning, only more cleverly appealing.”

And that’s where it all began.
 
TheIrishman said:
Can you explain what “Baptism of Desire” is? I’ve never heard of it.

I’ll be graduating from BYU-IDAHO by December and moving back to Pittsburgh and will start RCIA there.

To be honest, I don’t even think Rexburg has a catholic church. and if it did, would they do RCIA classes?
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uppervalleycatholic.com

You can contact them about RCIA and start there. Being so small, they may not have an RCIA group, but the priest or a deacon can always work with you one on one. Then “transfer”, so to speak, to Pittsburgh in December and continue RCIA there.

There are several rites in RCIA, one which brings you into the church as a catechumen. The catechism has this:

1259 For catechumens who die before their Baptism, their explicit desire to receive it, together with repentance for their sins, and charity, assures them the salvation that they were not able to receive through the sacrament.
 
TheIrishman said:
Want to know how i first started to doubt? I went through the temple back in 2007 for the first time and saw the video’s and such. But while i was there I thought to myself…

“in the beginning, Satan tries to put himself on the same level as God and gets cast out for doing so. But by the end of our lives and journey back to God, we in turn become like God and be gods ourselves? That sounds a lot like Satan’s plan from the beginning, only more cleverly appealing.”

And that’s where it all began.
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Amen! Hold on to that revelation and press on towards the goal: Christ Jesus!
 
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