Adding to Gods words

[Lee1]

Yes I may be doing the mathematical action but I’m not doing math when I do it. In other words my action can be described by maths but that’s not what I’m doing. The maths is like a shadow or reflection in my action, not the original thing.

(This discussion is on another thread, philosophy of mathematics)

 

[adf417]

As concerns revelatory development, how can we have an expanding understanding of divine revelation without an added revelatory expansion in our understanding? We cant think our way to divine revelation, that’s what defines divine revelation.

Yes this can also be said of the canon of scripture but Jesus didn’t leave us with what books to include in the NT it came to us with the help of the Holy Spirit. Its how God chooses to reveal to us the things he chooses to reveal.

Jesus was always God and the Trinity doctrine fleshed this out over many years. The the 27 books in the NT were scripture and Holy the moment they were written but it took many years for us to know which books actually were and were not scripture. Just the fact that we consider the 27 books divine shows us there is a difference between divine revelation and development of understanding. If divine revelation ended with Jesus and Jesus himself didn’t leave us the 27 books as Holy scripture, by your paradigm the NT is nothing but paper and ink.

The history of the development of the Trinity doctrine was messy, nearly abandoned and sheds little developed light on what it purports to make clear. The concept is a mix of the convoluted, equivocation, the obscure, and the ineffable leading to contradiction and confusion. Give me one statement the trinity concept clarifies for you about Gods nature and I’ll demonstrate how confusing and contradictory it will get.

I understand but that does not trump faith.

The revelation given was what to baptize in the name of period.

Where does this come from?

How do you expand on this to an understanding of the relationship each of these concepts has with each other which define the entirety of the nature of God without further revelation which Jesus never gave?

Im sorry you feel this way. I cant imagine why Jesus would have any other reason to “be with us till the end of time” or “send us the advocate”.

I guarantee whenever men try to think themselves to revelatory information as concerns the divine, they will fail.

Then if i were you i would burn every bible you can get my hands on.

May the Prince of Peace be our eternal Guide in our reasoning together.

Why? Based on the above we could never share it with one-another.
Just kidding! I say AMEN!

Peace!!!

 

[PJM]

Greetings PJM,
Thanks for posting. Short and sweet but too short. What are you referencing here as it applies to the questions?

Psalm 30 and the LAST chapter of the Bible; Revelations BOTH speak directly to the OP Question:smiley:

God Bless you
Patrick

 

[po18guy]

edwest2111
No implication. No words can be added or removed from the Bible.

Or entire books!

 

[gregoryphealy]

The lesson it gives surely pertains to all divinely given revelation, wouldn’t you agree?

Uhh, I mean, if you, personally, want to apply that to the entire Bible, that’s your prerogative, but this verse is not a justification of that perspective. I think you’d have to take a hyper-literalist interpretation of the Bible to avoid “adding” to the Bible.

Concerning this particular book would you agree that no further divine revelations will be given as concerns the end times as this would be adding to or taking away from the ideas presented in this book?

Well, I don’t think John was talking about additional divine revelation. I mean, that’s what the book was about, but in Rev. 22:18 he says:

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book

He’s saying that no one should add unto the words of the book. He’s not talking about divine revelation (though that is a prominent part of the book of Revelations). John was issuing a warning to the couriers and scribes who would be spreading his message throughout Asia minor.

 

[MT1926]

What do the various scriptures which speak of warning against adding to or taking from Gods word mean?
Revelation 22:18-19, Deuteronomy 4:2, Proverbs 30:5-6 as examples.

Revelation is directly speaking of that particular book.

Deuteronomy is an interesting one. This tells me to keep all the commandments that the Lord charges us with. We shall choose which ones we want to keep and which ones we don’t think are necessary. Well in my mind the Bible also tells us that Jesus told His Apostles to teach us to obey everything He commanded of them. (Matthew 28) . St. John also tells us that everything Jesus did wasn’t written down (John 21). Well Jesus never wrote anything down He DID things as examples, to the Apostles, to teach them. Taking this into account, in my opinion without Sacred tradition, that which wasn’t written down, there would be know way of knowing if we are taking away from the word of God.

Sure Proverbs Do not add to God’s words. But don’t we do this everyday when we privately interpret scripture? Without an authority how do you know if you are adding to God’s words or not? Here is a great example. Go to any online Bible site. Just look at how many different versions of the Bible. I count 56 English translation only. They’re not all identical and they don’t all convey the same meaning. Not saying which one is correct but if we are claiming these verses are referring to the Bible then a lot of people just added to the Word of God.

What is the word of God being spoken about?

To me the authoritative teachings handed on to the Apostles.

Do any of these scriptures refer to the entirety of the Biblical texts?

Nope

Are they taken to mean relevancy only to the texts within which they are found?

Yes and No

Are the texts of the bible, old and new testaments, what these scriptures are referring to, the word of God being equated to divine revelation as revealed in all the texts of the bible?

Nope I would say it’s the meaning of the Word of God which we mere humans have no way of interpreting on our own.

God Bless