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bones_IV
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This is the ADL’s way of indirectly saying that Human Life International, American Life League and Priests for Life are “right wing organizations.”
ADL Criticizes Jerusalem Cleric Over Pre-Christmas Speech Opposing Jewish State
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Holly3278
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Sounds like the ADL needs to learn to read to me. The cleric did not say that Israel had no right to exist. I personally agree with the cleric on what he did say though.
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RomanCrusader
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In the ADL eyes, criticizing zionist expansionism/racism equates to anti-semetism.
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wifeandmomoftwo
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It is not just the ADL that views these things as anti-semitic Roman…sadly it is anybody that is a zionist that holds these views
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bones_IV
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Like John Hagee for example. To me Zionism is fascism in disguise.
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RomanCrusader
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Totally.
Zionism is one of the most racist ideologies on this earth. It glorifies one people while degrading others. In Israel there are laws threatening gentiles with EXPULSION if they have sexual relations with Jews, even Jewish prostitutes.
There are laws banning/restricting gentiles from practicing their religous beliefs.
This glorification of one group and oppression of all others makes zionism truly tyrannical.
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chosen_people
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As an Israeli jurist I would be interested as to what “laws” you are talking about.
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RomanCrusader
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This was a big one:
guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1112442,00.html
Chinese workers are not allowed (under threat of deportation) to practice their religion or have sex with Israeli women.
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wifeandmomoftwo
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That is a “contract” signed by an employee and employer. That is not the “law” per se
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RomanCrusader
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Here’s a law then:
July 13 2003: Palestinians who marry Israelis cannot become citizens/residents of Israel
news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article484122.ece
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RomanCrusader
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Also there is the fact that Jews who convert can lose citizenship
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johnstown_johnn
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RC, both of those links are eye-openers. The one that challenged you has learned a thing or two. So have I.
What surprised me was the 11% unemployment rate. It has to be seen as a failing economy. The leadership has to be radically changed and only through a sincere outreach for peace can that economy be stabilized. Trade will be restored and that nation would enjoy the fruits and blessings of peace.
Outlawing Christianity works against themselves since Christianity IS an outgrowth of Judaism. They are related biblically.
But the players need to be replaced.:knight1:
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chosen_people
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Even though the article specifically quotes an Israeli lawyer that, of course, such a contract would have no validity under Israeli law your post would seem to indicate otherwise.
You also stated “There are laws banning/restricting gentiles from practicing their religous beliefs” Please elaborate. As an Israeli Jurist I am most embarassed to admit that I have been ignorant of such laws and have rendered all my decisions to date on the assumption that all are entitled to equal protection under the law.
Please also elaborate on your use in this thread as well as in other places on this forum as to “Jewish supremacisim”, not only as to definition but also how it effects you daily life as a Catholic. Would you, by contrast, define yourself as a “Christian supremacist”?
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johnstown_johnn
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Dear Chosen, Shalom!
Your second paragraph is admirable in that you admitted being ignorant of the existance of “such laws.” This is a display of having good character. You have gone up in credibility.
The following paragraphs are a little “too in-your-face” and that is not conducive to harmonious exchanges.
We all can understand rising up to defend your identity but wouldn’t it be a better choice to augment your human frailities as you have in your admission?
This is a Catholic Forum where we (Catholics) are captive audience many times to posts that denigrate the Son of God…now there NOTHING as offensive of these kinds of jabs.
Yet, they go with a “turn of the other cheek” by Catholics here more often than not. Some can call it “restraint;” some “Charity;” and still others “tolerance.”
So, if our feathers get ruffled and we can weigh the plus/minus of a certain response then prudence can be a real contributor to a more amicable exchange of thoughts.
We ALL could take a look in the mirror:knight1: .
Happy New Year to you and yours !
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RomanCrusader
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When I say “Jewish supremacism”, I refer to a racist attitude amongst certain Jews. Just as there are people of all groups who see their own people as “superior” to everyone else, there are some Jews. There are white supremacists (KKK, neo-nazis, stormfront), black supremacists (Black Panthers, Nation of Islam), arab supremacists (do I even need to give examples?), and Jewish supremacists (Jewish Defence League, Kach, the ADL). All are ignorant and bigoted.
Jewish supremacism is when Abraham Foxman and the ADL try to make it appear only Jews died in the holocaust. Jewish supremacism is when Chinese are evicted from Israel for having a relationship with Israeli women. Jewish supremacism is when someone with honest criticism of an individual Jew is blacklisted as an “anti-semite”.
Now I realize certain white supremacists (such as David Duke) also use the term “Jewish supremacism”, but I can assure you that I have nothing in common with these nazi thugs. David Duke actually wrote an abhorrent book titled “Jewish Supremacism”. While I have obviously never read it, I imagine it is racist and not worth the time of any sane person.
I know plenty of Jews and I get along with them well. None are Jewish supremacists. I live in a tolerant community, so bigotry of any kind is frowned upon. “Jewish supremacism” doesn’t therefore affect me directly. However, it does affect the Catholic community as a whole, such as when Abe Foxman tries to censor the Passion of the Christ. That is when I am affected.
Take my Jewish friends for example. They are not bothered by anyone. However, when David Duke or some other nazi holds an anti-semetic rally somewhere, they are obviously affected indirectly. When a holocaust-denier publishes a book and influences impressionable minds, they are affected even though they may not know it.
I am not a Christian supremacist. I do not believe Christians to be superior to anyone else. I do not belittle the tragedys of other groups. I do not claim a monopoly on genocide (like Abe foxman seems to do). I believe in a colorblind society, and thus any form of racism (white, black, asian, arab, jewish) disturbs me.
And happy new years my friend
Jewish supremacism is when Abraham Foxman and the ADL try to make it appear only Jews died in the holocaust. Jewish supremacism is when Chinese are evicted from Israel for having a relationship with Israeli women. Jewish supremacism is when someone with honest criticism of an individual Jew is blacklisted as an “anti-semite”.
Now I realize certain white supremacists (such as David Duke) also use the term “Jewish supremacism”, but I can assure you that I have nothing in common with these nazi thugs. David Duke actually wrote an abhorrent book titled “Jewish Supremacism”. While I have obviously never read it, I imagine it is racist and not worth the time of any sane person.
I know plenty of Jews and I get along with them well. None are Jewish supremacists. I live in a tolerant community, so bigotry of any kind is frowned upon. “Jewish supremacism” doesn’t therefore affect me directly. However, it does affect the Catholic community as a whole, such as when Abe Foxman tries to censor the Passion of the Christ. That is when I am affected.
Take my Jewish friends for example. They are not bothered by anyone. However, when David Duke or some other nazi holds an anti-semetic rally somewhere, they are obviously affected indirectly. When a holocaust-denier publishes a book and influences impressionable minds, they are affected even though they may not know it.
I am not a Christian supremacist. I do not believe Christians to be superior to anyone else. I do not belittle the tragedys of other groups. I do not claim a monopoly on genocide (like Abe foxman seems to do). I believe in a colorblind society, and thus any form of racism (white, black, asian, arab, jewish) disturbs me.
And happy new years my friend
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RomanCrusader
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You are Israeli, I am not. Thus I will concede you are more of an accurate source on this than I am.
The Israeli laws that I believe are racist are the aforementioned marriage law I reffered to, and the apparent Israeli supreme court ruling that any Jew who believes in Jesus is not eligible for citizenship.
The “Jewish Defence League” (a very racist group that glorifies murderer Baruch Goldstein and is connected to Kach) speaks of this law here:
jdl.org/enemies/quiet_holocaust/quiet_holocaust5.shtml
Belive me, I am not condemning the right of your country to exist or defend itself. I just question some of the laws/methods that seem bigoted to me. If anything I say is incorrect then tell me. I am not an authority on Israeli law.
While we are discussing Israel, what is your take on the USS Liberty attack?
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chosen_people
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The Kach organization (formerly J.D.L) was declared a terrorist organization years ago and banned under Israeli law. It was and is an undemocratic fringe group promoting racism towards others and the fact that its members are Jewish does not make it any more acceptable than any other group of similar ilk.
As to the claim that any “any Jew who believes in Jesus is not eligible for citizenship” I think there may be some confusion. Any Israeli if he so wishes may chose to believe and belong to any religion he or she wishes and of course that has no bearing on either his citizenship or his rights to equality under law. You may be referring to “The law of return” which automatically grants Israeli citizenship if applied for to any Jew. The law is extremely broad based as to the definition of “Jew” and infact was a reaction to the Nazi definiton which defined as Jewish anyone who had a single Jewish grandparent. The law itself is a reaction to the holocaust making Israel a safe haven for any Jew seeking sanctuary. In the Father Daniel case before the Supreme Court some years ago (If memory serves me the case is from the 1970’s) the Jewish born Father Daniel who despite his conversion and becoming a priest claimed the right of citizenship under the Law of Return as a Jew. The court held that as Father Daniel had clearly adopted another religion even becoming a priest he could not claim to be a “Jew” under the law of return. This of course did not mean he was not eligable for Israeli citizenship or permanent residency status under general guidelines and regulations.
As to regulations concerning the marriage between Israeli citizens and non Israeli Palestinians living under the Palestinian authority. The question arises as to family reunification in Israel and the granting of Israeli citizenship. It should be noted that for some strange reason (even though Israel is such a “terrible racist country”) invariably the couple wants to live in Israel as opposed to living under Palestinian rule. Our biggest problem is one of security concerns where under the guise of a fictitious marriage active terrorists seek to infiltrate into Israel. The way we are handling it is with a regulation that does not grant automatic citizenship and the right to live in Israel, which allows examination on a case to case basis as to its validity and as to security considerations.
Finally as to the USS Liberty “attack”. Anyone who is a war vetran as I am, knows that war is messy and confusing. Many would argue that the Israeli airforce pilot for pilot is probably the best in the world but during the first Lebonon war an Israeli warplane accidentally misidentified and attacked an Israeli convoy causing severe damage and killing Israeli soldiers. I doubt that there is a soldier in any war in any country that could not tell a similar story. Both American and Israeli investigations of the Liberty incident have reached the conclusion that while there may have been negligence there was no deliberate attack on an American ship. Israel has formally appologized to the American government and to the famalies of the victims and has paid compensation. I know some sort of wierd conspiracy theory makes better reading but all it was just a tragic mistake.
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johnstown_johnn
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Your take on the USS Liberty…all I can say is"Try to tell that to the survivors."
That attack was a huge coverup for years. The survivors can tell us what happened.
That attack was a huge coverup for years. The survivors can tell us what happened.
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RomanCrusader
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I totally agree. The survivors (including the Jewish ones) all agree it was an intentional attack.
The “American and Israeli” investigations into the attack were a joke. 2 Israeli pilots who refused to attack the ship were thrown in prison.
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Lev23
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While this particular post of yours is directed at chosen people, I cannot help but notice you have NOTHING good to say about the nation of Israel. Even if in your eyes, the country did something to help out mankind(which it has) in some way, you seem to find a way to demean it so it fits your concept of Israel being the most wicked nation on earth.
And while you want to bring up the USS Liberty attack for the umptenth million time(btw, time to use a new condemning act of Israel), what do you think of Israel being the first country wanting to aid the victims of Hurricane Katrina, even before our own government did anything about it? Do you know their help was turned down?
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