Admitting gay seminarians to a school full of men?

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Well I wouldn’t make a big life decision based on implications.
 
“evil tendencies to homosexuality”

Yep. My point.

In other words, if you’re homosexual, you have an “evil tendency.” You’re a deviant. Sin is inevitable.

(According to them, not me)
 
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Chris-Wa1 said:
I would think that if one lived in a strong community of a good parish family most priests would be just fine
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That’s precisely the problem. Most don’t, they’re overseeing declining communities and doing it alone. At least in my neck of the woods.
 
I’ve seen some people mention the John Jay report from 2004 but little to no mention to the 2011 John Jay Report which states that homosexulity wasn’t the biggest factor in the crisis.
“There has been widespread speculation that homosexual
identity is linked to the sexual abuse of minors by
priests, largely because of the high number of male victims
identified in the Nature and Scope study. However,
the clinical data do not support this finding.”
 
Still not a good reason or excuse to fall into terrible behavior. Look, a lot of people in this world deal with all kinds of really bad situations without going off the rails. I fully expect priests to have the fortitude to be able to handle a lot of adversity. I they can’t, they are in the wrong profession.
 
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artimes121 said:
I’ve seen some people mention the John Jay report from 2004 but little to no mention to the 2011 John Jay Report which states that homosexulity wasn’t the biggest factor in the crisis.
“There has been widespread speculation that homosexual
identity is linked to the sexual abuse of minors by
priests, largely because of the high number of male victims
identified in the Nature and Scope study. However,
the clinical data do not support this finding.”
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Yes you are correct. This is where the report went wrong. The numbers told the story, but political correctness prevented them from concluding what is plain as day. So sad when it was right in front of their face but they didn’t have the courage to say it. Many others have. If 81% of the abuse cases were abuses against males, that’s pretty overwhelming evidence of the problem.
 
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Can you please clearly say what you mean by this? I do not want miss represent what you’re saying in a reply.
 
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What I’m saying is that the clinical data did support that finding. That last statement in the quote was a lie for political correctness sake. The Church certainly knew what the problem was, which is why Pope Benedict moved to stop men with strong homosexual tendencies from entering the priesthood. Political correctness has also infected parts of the Church, including bishops and even some cardinals.
 
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“evil tendencies to homosexuality”

Yep. My point.

In other words, if you’re homosexual, you have an “evil tendency.” You’re a deviant. Sin is inevitable.

(According to them, not me)
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Who is “them”? Not the Church as far as I am aware.
 
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I’m sorry but you don’t have much experience here. First mainline Protestant churches deal with the issue.
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We have one Catholic Church, there are THOUSANDS of Protestant churches and more thousands of offshoots. All founded by different people who didn’t like whatever they came from for who knows what reason. There is no way the Protestants can control what goes on (or “deal with the issue”) in all those churches. No way.
 
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You do realize that there are many factors besides sexual orientation when it comes to how perpetrators of sexual abuse choose victims? There’s access to victims, how likely said victim is to come forward, the inability of some abusers to form connections with adults, whether its for sexual gratification or a feeling some sort of power hierarchy fulfillment, to even projection of self onto the victim. While i agree that Political Correctness is a problem in not only in our society and the church, but to say that homosexuality is the sole reason completely ignores the complexity of underlying causes.
 
The Rule of St. Benedict: Chapter 22: The Sleeping Arrangements of the Monks
1 The monks are to sleep in separate beds. 2 They receive bedding as provided by the abbot, suitable to monastic life. 3 If possible, all are to sleep in one place, but should the size of the community preclude this, they will sleep in groups of ten or twenty under the watchful care of seniors. 4 A lamp must be kept burning in the room until morning. 5 They sleep clothed, and girded with belts or cords; but they should remove their knives, lest they accidentally cut themselves in their sleep. 6 Thus the monks will always be ready to arise without delay when the signal is given; each will hasten to arrive at the Work of God before the others, yet with all dignity and decorum. 7 The younger brothers should not have their beds next to each other, but interspersed among those of the seniors. 8 On arising for the Work of God, they will quietly encourage each other, for the sleepy like to make excuses.
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Yes, I think we disagree. Homosexuality is wrong in and of itself, there can never be a good participation. Heterosexual relations are wrong when done outside marriage.

St Paul is pretty hard on homosexuality in Romans 1

And I did not say there is a special virtue in same sex attraction.

Homosexual acts go against the natural law as well as the Spiritual.
 
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We have one Catholic Church, there are THOUSANDS of Protestant churches and more thousands of offshoots. All founded by different people who didn’t like whatever they came from for who knows what reason. There is no way the Protestants can control what goes on (or “deal with the issue”) in all those churches. No way.
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I’m speaking to a Lutheran Denomination with a few million members and a formal church structure, with Bishops and all, similar to the Catholic Church. I’m not talking about something like the Baptists with very little central control. So yes, I think this is a reasonable comparison.
 
I think the number 1 reason why our priests should be celibate is that children should be a Catholic man’s first priority. As a parish secretary (retired now) who see’s all the responsibilities priests have in their daily parish life and with their bishops, and all the time that takes, I would say that it would be impossible to put their children first. In fact, pastors don’t normally recommend a man for the Deaconate who has young children, exactly for that reason, they wait until their children are older. Also, even a deacon can’t be married after he’s ordained and can only be married one time. If his wife dies, he can not marry again. The seminary is for discernment. The seminarian has a long time to deal with these matters, and if he finds he can’t live a celibate life before ordination, then he needs to leave. The priest’s number one priority in his parish is his parishioners
 
This thread isn’t about pedophilia, it is about a subculture in the seminary.
 
It is an easy way to stop the problems in the monastery and it isn’t an ideal situation for a gay person to be surrounded by men. Not to mention there is a prohibition already by the Church. I think some of these responses should be interpreted with common sense.
 
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