Adoptions by Homosexuals: Do You Approve?

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Lisa N:
Because we worship false gods. I am using ‘we’ as a generalization, not aimed at anyone here. But in placing ourselves above Christ we are self worshipping. It’s that same self worship that makes homosexuals think their happiness, status or self fulfillment is more important than a child’s right to a stable two parent heterosexual home.

Lisa N
Yes, this is very true. We are loosing our way. Authentic happiness is not license. Some who claim to happy are in fact deceived. Part of the punishment for sin is the illicit thrill we get when committing illicit acts.
 
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ja3712:
I find all this very amusing. Some people are so backwards these days. Father and mother is all role playing. By your reasoning the mother is suppose to be “emotional attached” and the father is suppose to be “emotional dettached” and that is a perfect family? What if the woman working all day and the man stays home and be the “mother”, still heterosexual but the “roles” are reversed. Its too medieval to think that the woman belongs in the kitchen and take care of children, especially ur a woman urself. I would only guess that you take pleasure if a man were to tell you “woman, go back to ur kitchen!”
The world is not perfect and there are few numbers of heterosexual couples willing to adopt. Most people prefer to have their own children. All we can hope for is the next best thing. Froster homes or “group homes” are ran by “heterosexuals” who love money from the government.
You’re right. All the differences between men and women are just roles that we play. “Mother” and “father” are just socially constructed ideas. Right now my “wife” (I use this term of oppression to describe my female partner only to show how arbitrary it is) is pregnant with our first child. With our next child, I think I will play the role of the pregnant one.

I am so sick of this anti-woman society perpetually forcing the pain of pregnancy, labor, and childbirth upon women! It is time for us enlightened men to step up and start playing this role.

Down with socially constructed gender roles!!
 
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atsheeran:
You’re right. All the differences between men and women are just roles that we play. “Mother” and “father” are just socially constructed ideas. Right now my “wife” (I use this term of oppression to describe my female partner only to show how arbitrary it is) is pregnant with our first child. With our next child, I think I will play the role of the pregnant one.

I am so sick of this anti-woman society perpetually forcing the pain of pregnancy, labor, and childbirth upon women! It is time for us enlightened men to step up and start playing this role.

Down with socially constructed gender roles!!
They are not socially constructed, they are divinely appointed. People didn’t assign us these roles, God did. It is abundantly clear from your post, unless I am missing something, that you have little use for God. So my question for you is, why do you even bother posting here? Your hedonistic “if it makes me happy, it can’t be that bad” morality isn’t welcome. It sounds good in a top 40 Sherryl Crowe song, but don’t fit within the moral construct of Christianity.
 
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atsheeran:
You’re right. All the differences between men and women are just roles that we play. “Mother” and “father” are just socially constructed ideas. Right now my “wife” (I use this term of oppression to describe my female partner only to show how arbitrary it is) is pregnant with our first child. With our next child, I think I will play the role of the pregnant one.

I am so sick of this anti-woman society perpetually forcing the pain of pregnancy, labor, and childbirth upon women! It is time for us enlightened men to step up and start playing this role.

Down with socially constructed gender roles!!
Sorry it is not women, but womyn!!
 
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Scott_Lafrance:
They are not socially constructed, they are divinely appointed. People didn’t assign us these roles, God did. It is abundantly clear from your post, unless I am missing something, that you have little use for God. So my question for you is, why do you even bother posting here? Your hedonistic “if it makes me happy, it can’t be that bad” morality isn’t welcome. It sounds good in a top 40 Sherryl Crowe song, but don’t fit within the moral construct of Christianity.
I thought I made my sarcasm pretty apparent. Note that I said I was going to be the pregnant one next time we have a child. Plus I have a wife. Maybe you thought I was a lesbian! I’m not. I’m a man. I should have made that clear. Sorry!
 
Wait a second I did make clear I was a man!
I am so sick of this anti-woman society perpetually forcing the pain of pregnancy, labor, and childbirth upon women! It is time for us enlightened men to step up and start playing this role.
 
Dolores, your post is very touching, but i don’t see anything in it that is an argument against the adoption of kids by homosexual couples.

In fact your post is a strong argument against adoption by old, embittered lesbians, but nothing else.

So your mother hated men - i don’t know a single homosexual (and i know quite a lot) who hates people of the opposite gender.

So your mother didn’t like straight people - well i don’t know a single homosexual who doesn’t like straight people.

**But **then i see that in 1959 you have been 9 years old, and considering how homosexuals have been treated by society half a century ago it sonds quite understandable that your mum didn’t like straight people.

So let me tell you something you might have overseen: We now have the year 2005, homosexual people are generally accepted and not stigmatized anymore (for the righteous ones: You don’t have to approve on someone’s live to accept him or her as a person!)

So the story of your live, Dolores, as touching as it is, isn’t any more than a piece of the sad history of discrimination, but no argument at all against adoption by homosexuals.

Werner
 
In answer to the question; no, I don’t approve. I see the entire subject as yet one more gauntlet thrown down by the homosexual agenda to make their “lifestyle” approvable by society in general. I am so sick and disgusted by the garbage that has been force fed these past 30 odd years. Almost anyone under 30 has a “live & let live” attitude about this particular “lifestyle”. The moral line has been so blurred that one can’t even SEE the line any longer.
“Hold tight to those truths you were taught…” Holding to the Truths is becoming difficult in the extreme. If you don’t buy into the secular “norm”, you are ridiculed, ostracized and even fired! No matter. I will stick to the Truths.
Take that Rosie! :mad:
 
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Werner:
Dolores, your post is very touching, but i don’t see anything in it that is an argument against the adoption of kids by homosexual couples.

So your mother hated men - i don’t know a single homosexual (and i know quite a lot) who hates people of the opposite gender.

So your mother didn’t like straight people - well i don’t know a single homosexual who doesn’t like straight people.
No but it does point out that your anecdotal evidence has no more credence than Dolores’ story. You don’t know homosexuals who hate straight people. So what?

Werner said:
**But **then i see that in 1959 you have been 9 years old, and considering how homosexuals have been treated by society half a century ago it sonds quite understandable that your mum didn’t like straight people.

Do you know Dolores’s mother was “out?” Do you know whether Dolores’s mother ever experienced discrimination? You know I lived during those days too and I assure you discrimination was not a major issue because (thank heavens!) most homosexuals did not feel compelled to share their sex lives with the general public. By making their sexual practices their raison d’etre, they draw fire and then complain when people object.
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Werner:
So let me tell you something you might have overseen: We now have the year 2005, homosexual people are generally accepted and not stigmatized anymore (for the righteous ones: You don’t have to approve on someone’s live to accept him or her as a person!)

So the story of your live, Dolores, as touching as it is, isn’t any more than a piece of the sad history of discrimination, but no argument at all against adoption by homosexuals.

Werner
Werner there is a huge difference between a ‘live and let live’ attitude toward people’s personal private activities and assuming that because we don’t hunt homosexuals down in their bedrooms, that they are equally adequate as parents. There is a significant amount of research that demonstrates a two parent hetersexual married couple provides the best situation for raising children. There is no significant evidence that you can deny a child a father or deny him a mother and he will be none the worse. The few studies of homosexual parents, by their own admission are too small and self selected to provide any compelling evidence that homosexuals are equally suitable as parents and that their children suffer no ill effects.

You are a determined apologist for this behavior Werner but in the end your dog still don’t hunt.

Lisa N
 
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Werner:
… You don’t have to approve on someone’s live to accept him or her as a person!..Werner
You don’t have to love someone’s sin to love the sinner is another way of saying this. At the same time, we are being asked to pretend that their lifestyle is not based on sin. This is wrong and destructive to our society.

What most people have lost in our American culture today is a sense of scandal and shame. This allows us to forget that there is not such thing as a private sin. All sin is communal, we are all members of the body of Christ, whether we recognize it or not. What one does affects the others.

Homosexuality does affect society in a negative way, even when the acts of it are being committed by otherwise wonderful people. They are demeaning themselves even without being aware of it. And YES, it is possible to not realize we are hurting ourselves. Heck, it happens all the time.

I have known some wonderful people who are gay and I know fine people who mistakenly support the concept of no judgement of those who live the gay lifestyle. These are good people, worthy of love, each and every one of them. That doesn’t make them right. It doesn’t change the fact that the gay lifestyle goes against God’s plan. If He planned it, it has got to be for our greater good and that’s good enough for me!

God Bless,

CARose
 
The legal system may be able to stop adoptions by homosexuals but what about artificial insemination?

There is a certain lesbian celebrity who could not adopt a child in Florida so she and her partner went through the insemination process. I had the impression at the time that they did this more out of spite for a system they saw as discriminating against them.
 
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cove:
The legal system may be able to stop adoptions by homosexuals but what about artificial insemination?

There is a certain lesbian celebrity who could not adopt a child in Florida so she and her partner went through the insemination process. I had the impression at the time that they did this more out of spite for a system they saw as discriminating against them.
I don’t believe there are any legal barriers to homosexual artificial inseminations. Part of me wishes that there were for the sake of the children. Being raised by homosexual parents does “violence” to them according to Pope John Paul II.

As long as we have this Supreme Court-invented right to privacy in our nation, then the government probably won’t be able to regulate things like artificial insemination.
 
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atsheeran:
I don’t believe there are any legal barriers to homosexual artificial inseminations. Part of me wishes that there were for the sake of the children. Being raised by homosexual parents does “violence” to them according to Pope John Paul II.

As long as we have this Supreme Court-invented right to privacy in our nation, then the government probably won’t be able to regulate things like artificial insemination.
There used to be restrictions on AI in humans but now it’s no different than my horse breeding program. Want a tall blonde donor? Just call up the sperm bank and put in a request.

In reality, this doesn’t help the male homosexuals much unless they can arrange for a “rent-a-womb.” It’s easy enough for females to be inseminated. Wasn’t there a story about two lesbians who wanted David Crosby to sire their child hoping it would have musical talents?

You are right the fabricated privacy rulings have turned creation into breeding programs. And to think these same enlightened folks would like be disgusted by the slave breeding programs in ante bellum south.

Lisa N
 
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atsheeran:
I don’t believe there are any legal barriers to homosexual artificial inseminations. Part of me wishes that there were for the sake of the children. Being raised by homosexual parents does “violence” to them according to Pope John Paul II.

As long as we have this Supreme Court-invented right to privacy in our nation, then the government probably won’t be able to regulate things like artificial insemination.
No, there aren’t any legal barriers. I have a friend who is an OB Gyn. One of his concerns is that he will be approached by a lesbian couple seeking help in getting pregnant. He is morally and ethically opposed to this but they could sue him if he refused to help them.

Only time will tell how this all pans out. I figure in about 20 years we will start seeing the books being written and the talk shows exploiting the stories associated with this phenom.

I was at the Magic Kingdom not too long ago riding on one of the trams loaded with people. A lesbian couple was seated next to me holding hands and a little girl I am assuming was their “daughter” was sitting with them. I really cannot tell you how it made me feel. I had mixed feelings.
 
Lisa N:
There used to be restrictions on AI in humans but now it’s no different than my horse breeding program. Want a tall blonde donor? Just call up the sperm bank and put in a request.

In reality, this doesn’t help the male homosexuals much unless they can arrange for a “rent-a-womb.” It’s easy enough for females to be inseminated. Wasn’t there a story about two lesbians who wanted David Crosby to sire their child hoping it would have musical talents?

You are right the fabricated privacy rulings have turned creation into breeding programs. And to think these same enlightened folks would like be disgusted by the slave breeding programs in ante bellum south.

Lisa N
Actually, David Crosby did father two of Melisa Ethredge’s children(the artist who has been battling cancer and who performed at the Grammy’s bald).
 
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***CONSIDERATIONS REGARDING PROPOSALS
TO GIVE LEGAL RECOGNITION
TO UNIONS
BETWEEN HOMOSEXUAL PERSONS***

Allowing children to be adopted by persons living in such unions would actually mean doing violence to these children, in the sense that their condition of dependency would be used to place them in an environment that is not conducive to their full human development. This is gravely immoral and in open contradiction to the principle, recognized also in the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, that the best interests of the child, as the weaker and more vulnerable party, are to be the paramount consideration in every case.
 
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cove:
No, there aren’t any legal barriers. I have a friend who is an OB Gyn. One of his concerns is that he will be approached by a lesbian couple seeking help in getting pregnant. He is morally and ethically opposed to this but they could sue him if he refused to help them.

Only time will tell how this all pans out. I figure in about 20 years we will start seeing the books being written and the talk shows exploiting the stories associated with this phenom.

I was at the Magic Kingdom not too long ago riding on one of the trams loaded with people. A lesbian couple was seated next to me holding hands and a little girl I am assuming was their “daughter” was sitting with them. I really cannot tell you how it made me feel. I had mixed feelings.
DOLORES49 comments: A book and a magazine are worth looking into which are promoting Alternative Parenting.

BOOK: “BABY STEPS: HOW LESBIAN ARTIFICIAL INSEMINATION IS CHANGING THE WORLD” by Amy Agigian. 2004. Available at amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0819566292/qid=1085147252/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-2683897-5728832?v=glance&s=books#product-details

MAGAZINE: “AND BABY MAGAZINE” a parenting magazine for homosexuals.

2 articles I found are both delusional and disturbing because it reinforces - for gays - the notion that children are just commodities without any needs. Gays are the ones with all the needs.

ISSUE # 11 MAY/JUNE 2003
AND BABY MAGAZINE www.andbabymag.com
2 ARTICLES to be aware of the gay mind set:

“BREASTFEEDING…FOR DADS?” Article by Jennifer Newton Reents May/June 2003 “Don’t be alarmed, it’s not a certainty. But it is a scientific possibility, and a few men have even given it a try. Yet perhaps there are better ways for men to nurture and comfort their children. At least for now.” The full article is no longer available online but if you want, you can order from their Issue Archives Issue #11 here . . .] andbabymag.com/archives/article.cfm?ID=196&backissue=yes

“EXPOSING YOUR KIDS TO ALL THINGS GAY” By Emma Segal. “Where better to show off your pride in your kids and your family than at a Pride Fest in your area? “And Baby Magazine” gives you the skinny on how and why to go, and provides a list of some of the bigger events nationwide.”

DOLORES49 comments:

I presume a big event is GAY DAY AT DISNEY WORLD or DISNEYLAND. www.gayday.com Their ads are not about family.
 
Lisa N:
Miguel great article! Thank you for posting.
Glad you enjoyed it Lisa.
Lisa N:
I hope the homosexual apologists read it before positing the theory that there is no difference between homosexual and heterosexual couples when it comes to raising children.
It’s amazing that authors of articles like these have to go to so much trouble to prove the obvious. If people would just use their common sense life would be so much easier.
 
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ja3712:
You entire outlook is really sexist. You are suggesting there are things that a man can do that women cannot do or vise versa. I think men and women are capable of doing anything the other sex can do. I dont understand where all this sexist thinking is coming from.
  1. Women cannot teach a boy how to be a good man, only a good man can do that.
  2. Men cannot teach girls how to be good woman, only a good woman can do that.
  3. Men and women are not equal in any sense of the word. It is our differences that allow us to compliment each other in a marriage/relationship.
 
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