Adoptions by Homosexuals: Do You Approve?

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Hi. I’d like to weigh in as an adoptive parent. We have 3 children through the miracle of adoption. We suffered infertility for 61/2 years before adopting our first beautiful daughter 11 years ago. We added a son 2 years later and another daughter 5 years ago. We also had 4 failed adoptions (i.e birth mom changing mind, child died before we could adopt, etc.). It’s a heartbreaking process, at times, but the rewards are great. There are SO MANY eligible adoptive 2 parent (mom/dad)homes. Gays are not just adopting “special needs” children…they are adopting infants. In my experience, birthmoms CHOOSE the adoptive family for their kids. Many of the gays who are adopting, like Rosie O’Donnell, hire high priced attornies to scour the country looking for babies. I don’t think these birthmoms KNOW who is adopting their children. Most birthmoms I know are very concerned that their baby/child goes to a better home than she can provide. In every case I know of that is a married mom/dad who go to church and can give their baby/child a normal and happy life. I know a lady who adopted as a “single mom”, when in reality she had a lesbian partner and lied to the agency about it. So, now they have a baby together. I watched an interview once with Rosie. Her son told her once that he really wanted a father. She replied that if he had a father, he wouldn’t have her as a mommy. The interviewer thought it was a great response. I think it is so sad. Her children would’ve been adopted by mom/dad parents in a heart beat. I think it’s sad when some fostercare/adoption agencies will not allow transracial adoptions, but gay adoptions are just fine. We have always been open to any race child, but hit roadblocks along the way. I think it’s a little different now, though. Anyway, that’s my 2 cents. I think I’ve mentioned before that I pray for Rosie and her kids daily and will continue to.

God Bless
Giannawannabe
 
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ja3712:
A man and a woman is overrated, only spoiled people who are lucky to have both parents will say that.
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Overrated?! Spoiled?! Give me a break! You’re saying that it’s spoiled to expect to have a mother and a father as opposed to having parents that are homosexual? You’re saying that “domestic partners” can raise a child as well as a man and a woman? Your way is not God’s way and I think He has a little more knowledge concerning such things. You can call me sexist if you choose, but I see myself as a realist.
God bless.
 
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Bernadette64:
We must pray for those suffering from homosexual attraction. But that never changes the fact the biblical together with Church teaching is and always has been clear on the sin of homosexuality. And to deliberately put kids into a household that fosters a sinful lifestyle to assuage, appease, or fall prey to false calls of civil rights in an attempt to be “inclusive” is child abuse, no different from heterosexual parents who sin in front of their children and cause great scandal to them.

Remember, Christ said “go and SIN NO MORE,” not “go and
continue sinning till one day sin is approved by trendy, secular nations.” Christ called for the conversion of sinners throughout this age.

Bernadette64
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Amen and God bless you Bernadette
 
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ja3712:
I find all this very amusing.
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It’s not an amusing topic. You’re statement then seems to indicate that you enjoy causing harm or at the very least, that you enjoy arguements. How reasonable is that? I don’t look for advice from people who amuse themselves by playing such hateful games. I pray that someday, some way, some how you and people like you will realize the truth.

God bless you.
 
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atsheeran:
You’re right. All the differences between men and women are just roles that we play. “Mother” and “father” are just socially constructed ideas. Right now my “wife” (I use this term of oppression to describe my female partner only to show how arbitrary it is) is pregnant with our first child. With our next child, I think I will play the role of the pregnant one.

I am so sick of this anti-woman society perpetually forcing the pain of pregnancy, labor, and childbirth upon women! It is time for us enlightened men to step up and start playing this role.

Down with socially constructed gender roles!!
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That is one job I think I’ll pass on. 😃
 
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Scott_Lafrance:
They are not socially constructed, they are divinely appointed. People didn’t assign us these roles, God did. It is abundantly clear from your post, unless I am missing something, that you have little use for God. So my question for you is, why do you even bother posting here? Your hedonistic “if it makes me happy, it can’t be that bad” morality isn’t welcome. It sounds good in a top 40 Sherryl Crowe song, but don’t fit within the moral construct of Christianity.
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Scott, I think he was being sarcastic. At least that is how I understood his post.

God bless.
 
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ja3712:
You entire outlook is really sexist. You are suggesting there are things that a man can do that women cannot do or vise versa. I think men and women are capable of doing anything the other sex can do. I dont understand where all this sexist thinking is coming from.
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Hmm… reality maybe? I wouldn’t call it sexist though. Neither would I call myself or the fine people here sexists. I believe firmly that men and women can share the same professions, have equal rights in determining laws that govern (in society or the family), equal pay for equal work, etc. But let’s face it, since humankind’s (notice I didn’t say “mankind’s”) inception men and women have been the parents of children. It’s worked for thousands of years and has only recently come under fire. Maybe it’s not the thousands of years of proven history that is in error but rather those suggesting a change.

God bless you.
 
originally posted by Giannawannabe
I watched an interview once with Rosie. Her son told her once that he really wanted a father. She replied that if he had a father, he wouldn’t have her as a mommy. The interviewer thought it was a great response.
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Poor, sad, confused child. Oh, but I forgot, it’s ALL about Rosie and her rights…(er, agenda)…:mad:
This is the stuff that makes me ill. And, of course, the acceptance of her position by the media talking head that did the interview. I’m sure Rosie make certain that the interviewer was sympathetic to her “cause” before agreeing to do the sit down.
Where is people’s moral compass? Where is common sense? Where is the objection of the public? I know though. We are sooooo afraid of being called “haters” and “bigots” by the moral midgets that we don’t speak up and out about what we know to be wrong!
 
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Tietjen:
Scott, I think he was being sarcastic. At least that is how I understood his post.

God bless.
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Thank you. I was being sarcastic. I’m glad to see that it was not completely lost on everyone.
 
TheGarg said:
1. Women cannot teach a boy how to be a good man, only a good man can do that.
2. Men cannot teach girls how to be good woman, only a good woman can do that.
3. Men and women are not equal in any sense of the word. It is our differences that allow us to compliment each other in a marriage/relationship.
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catsrus:
Poor, sad, confused child. Oh, but I forgot, it’s ALL about Rosie and her rights…(er, agenda)…:mad:
This is the stuff that makes me ill. And, of course, the acceptance of her position by the media talking head that did the interview. I’m sure Rosie make certain that the interviewer was sympathetic to her “cause” before agreeing to do the sit down.
Where is people’s moral compass? Where is common sense? Where is the objection of the public? I know though. We are sooooo afraid of being called “haters” and “bigots” by the moral midgets that we don’t speak up and out about what we know to be wrong!
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“Religion blushing veils it sacred fires
and unawares Morality expires.”
 
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ja3712:
You entire outlook is really sexist. You are suggesting there are things that a man can do that women cannot do or vise versa. I think men and women are capable of doing anything the other sex can do. I dont understand where all this sexist thinking is coming from.
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I’m just curious about your age? And by the way I’ve never heard of a man giving birth to a baby. Two men do not equal a mother and a father, nor do two women. Men and women are different physically, emotionally and pychologically. A person that has a decent amount of life experience should know that. And personally I think it’s fantastic that they are.
 
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ja3712:
Please actually think about what you are saying. None of us have the right to deny the happiness of other people based on our own believes. A man and a woman is overrated, only spoiled people who are lucky to have both parents will say that. You people should really really check out what an orphanage looks like in downtown LA.
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Are you kidding? A man and woman are over-rated? My bestfriend’s father died when she was a baby and I can tell you right now she doesn’t think a man and woman is over-rated. She soarly misses having a father in her life. Where do get you that rediculous notion. Children that grow up in families without a mother, or without a father have a much higher rate of drug use, depression and and incidents with the law. Research has been done that has shown this.

Because some in-tact families are disfunctional doesn’t mean the whole idea of the a man and woman raising children together is over rated. Men and women each have special unique qualities, they each provide something unique to the child.

None of us have the right to deny the personal happiness of others based on our own beliefs? Really? So if a man wants to conduct a sexual relationship with an underaged teenager do we have to deny him that. What about someone who doesn’t feel stealing is wrong and wants a new car to fulfill his happiness so he steals it. I guess we don’t have the right to interfere with his personal happiness. What about people who enjoy taking heroine or crystal meth, should they be allowed to adopt children - I mean after all we wouldn’t want to discriminate against their lifestyle choice.

They are laws and standards that are set up for the good of society as a whole. We are obliged to protect the most vulnerable in our society whether or not in infringes on someones personal happiness.
 
Two things:
  1. The Church teaches clearly that a man and a woman are the progenitors of the family, there to procreate and educate new life. Single people cannot do this (via natural law), neither can homosexuals. Widows and widowers of course are prevented by uncontrollable circumstances to engage in single parenthood. I’m sure there are some instances when separations are necessary as well.
  2. My own anecdotal evidence mitigates against homosexuals raising children. I have found these kids to be socially maladjusted, and the boys in particular to be further handicapped by significant anger issues.
As for the specious argument that a loving homosexual couple is preferable to a bickering hetero one, let’s see this argument applied to alcoholics. Would you say that a “loving” alcoholic family (if such a thing exists) is preferable to a sober yet bickering family?
 
I used to be neutral on this topic until our family business aquired as a client a county Childrens Protective Services department. In the process of fulfilling our contract with them, I learned more than I ever want to know about the fate of children in the foster care system, and the effects of lax rules governing adoptions. It is harder to get a pet from the human society than to adopt a special needs or older child. When I learned that the daughter of a friend who, like the poster’s mother, was seduced into homosexual life because in part of her bad experiences with men, and who was legally adopted by one of her mother’s “partners” it is used as a license to recruit children into that lifestyle and for downright abuse.

Then I found further, in dealing with various advocacy groups that claim to promote “children’s rights” and “adoption rights” that the very gay activist groups who were most vocal on rights of gays to adopt (usually the child of a partner who is the custodial parent after divorce from a heterosexual marriage) are also the identical people and groups advocing and running NAMBLA, the NA Man-Boy Love Association which has as its agenda legalizing sex between adults and children. Be aware that if you are of a more liberal political persuasion and contribute to organizations that promote the agendas of Planned Parenthood and so-called Gay Liberation that you are contributing directly to the aboved name organization and its extensive and coercive lobbying efforts.
 
puzzleannie, we’ve had several just horrific stories about homosexuals adopting or fostering children, only to procure them for sexual abuse. One of the MOST horrible was a juvenile officer who was KNOWN to want “clean cut boys l3-17” for his clients. There were complaints about him for literally decades and no one did anything. One of his former clients finally committed suicide and the whole sordid tale has come out. The sad thing is that people KNEW about what this man was doing but no one would defy him and his perverted agenda.

Another story of two very prominent homosexuals who were 'poster boys" for Portland’s short lived homosexual marriage statute. One adopted a boy at age 9, started abusing him at age 12 and then enlisted him to bring home friends that were also abused and used for porn.

One of the worst was a male who adopted a FOUR YEAR OLD boy and sodomized him until he apparently nearly died. That’s how he was caught.

You are right that it is easier to adopt/foster a child than to get a pet from the humane society. I used to work for a breed rescue and we had a five page contract people had to sign. Their application had to have references and you had to undergo a home visit before adopting a dog! But quite honestly they are so desperate for foster homes they will literally take almost anyone.

And no I am NOT saying all homosexuals are molesters but I think we have tried to close our eyes to this possibility to prove we are not bigots and the CHILDREN are the victims of the PC god.

Lisa N
 
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***CONSIDERATIONS REGARDING PROPOSALS
TO GIVE LEGAL RECOGNITION
TO UNIONS
BETWEEN HOMOSEXUAL PERSONS***

Allowing children to be adopted by persons living in such unions would actually mean doing violence to these children, in the sense that their condition of dependency would be used to place them in an environment that is not conducive to their full human development. This is gravely immoral and in open contradiction to the principle, recognized also in the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, that the best interests of the child, as the weaker and more vulnerable party, are to be the paramount consideration in every case.
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I was wondering, are Catholics obliged to submit to documents coming out of the Vatican such as this? If someone disagrees with the document because of their “conscience” (they’ve read the document and claimed to have prayed over it), would it be correct to say that their conscience is not “well informed” if it leads them to reject Church teaching? Can this document be categorized as “Church teaching”?

Also, a lot of liberals feel they can reject some of the things the Church “says” because of how the Church was “wrong” in regards to the Crusades, the Inquisition, Galileo, slavery, etc. How can one rebut those accusations? Were there official Church documents saying those things were okay? Or would it be correct to say those were just the “opinions” of individual Church members and NOT official Church teaching?
 
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Viajero:
I was wondering, are Catholics obliged to submit to documents coming out of the Vatican such as this? If someone disagrees with the document because of their “conscience” (they’ve read the document and claimed to have prayed over it), would it be correct to say that their conscience is not “well informed” if it leads them to reject Church teaching? Can this document be categorized as “Church teaching”?

Also, a lot of liberals feel they can reject some of the things the Church “says” because of how the Church was “wrong” in regards to the Crusades, the Inquisition, Galileo, slavery, etc. How can one rebut those accusations? Were there official Church documents saying those things were okay? Or would it be correct to say those were just the “opinions” of individual Church members and NOT official Church teaching?
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I do not see how anyone can reject the moral law for any reason. The Church is not teaching anything new here. Homosexual acts have always been wrong. Marriage is always defined as between a man and a woman for life. Children have always been entitled to having authentic parents.

The issues about the crusades and all the rest have been misrepresented for decades. Each issue you listed must be properly researched, studied and you will see that the popular beliefs are very much wrong and considerably anti Catholic propaganda.
 
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ja3712:
You entire outlook is really sexist. You are suggesting there are things that a man can do that women cannot do or vise versa. I think men and women are capable of doing anything the other sex can do. I dont understand where all this sexist thinking is coming from.
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There are things that women can do that men can’t do. And there are things that men can do that women can’t do. Men and women are different Physically and Psychologically. Children are much better off with both as parents. Let me guess, I am sexist. If so, I am proud to be a[n] [sexist] american.

I strongly disapprove of gays adopting kids.
 
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