Adoration idolatry a blessed bread host

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It really appears as idolatry when adoring a bread host and being deceived into believing it is the divinity of God. As you meditate .

As Isaiah said these people worship a piece of wood that they carved into a God.
 
evangelical said:
It really appears as idolatry when adoring a bread host and being deceived into believing it is the divinity of God. As you meditate .

As Isaiah said these people worship a piece of wood that they carved into a God.
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you arent catholic, are you

therefore you dont know the bread and wine are consecrated by the Priest , in Mass, and actually really truly without a doubt become the body blood soul and divinity of Jesus.

therefore, we are worshipping God . We prayer. we dont meditate. we pray to God, we contemplate God, we live in God. God lives in us

read the Bible on the Last Supper.

This IS My body
 
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Wut?

Have you never heard of transubstantiation? The bread of the host is just an accidental remainder of our fallen human nature. There have been plenty of miracles involving bleeding hosts to prove it. It is Jesus.

This is not a carved statue.

Now, I do agree that some monstrances are quite ornate and distracting–totally unnecessarily so.
 
Yes, it does appear as idolatry.

If we’re wrong, and the Eucharist is not truly the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Christ, we are committing idolatry; worshipping a piece of bread as God.

But if we’re not, and we take Jesus Christ himself at his word, he who can neither deceive nor be deceived, then the Eucharist is due the same worship we give to God alone.

We know the stakes, so don’t start off with the assumption that Catholics are stupid. We might know something about God, the Bible, and our own faith.
 
Amen! To come to a Catholic website and start a discussion like that isn’t winning people to the OP’s cause in any way shape or form.
 
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Amen! To come to a Catholic website and start a discussion like that isn’t winning people to the OP’s cause in any way shape or form.
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Unless the OP makes themselves into a troublesome poster, it is against both charity and mercy to assume that they are trying to cause trouble.

The question was not offensively posed. It is one that I’ve heard frequently. If we eliminated “things one could google” we’d not have much of a forum.
 
Well he/she would never win a Faithful Catholic to their cause no matter how nicely put simply because protestantism is not True.
 
evangelical said:
It really appears as idolatry when adoring a bread host and being deceived into believing it is the divinity of God. As you meditate .

As Isaiah said these people worship a piece of wood that they carved into a God.
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I’m saddened that you can’t see God beyond your own blinders and biases.

It is a false equivalence to think that Catholics worship an inanimate object as a god. We worship the living God in a much more profound way than you could ever understand with such an attitude.

You know that you don’t win hearts to your cause when you only deride people. You will find none that will abandon Christ here, so espouse what you like. None will listen to your false words.
 
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It really appears as idolatry when adoring a bread host and being deceived into believing it is the divinity of God. As you meditate .
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A question for you, @evangelical: in the Gospels, when people worshipped Jesus and wished to just touch the hem of his garment… is that idolatry? After all, they weren’t interested in Him so much as his tassel.

If so, then maybe you have a point.

If not – and I think that the answer is “not”, since Jesus not only doesn’t chide them, but also heals them – then the “idolatry” issue is moot.

Even moreso, since we take Jesus at His word when He said, “this is my body” and “this is my blood”, that we’re not committing idolatry!
As Isaiah said these people worship a piece of wood that they carved into a God.
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Did the Jews commit idolatry when they listened to God’s command and created a seraph serpent and placed it on a pole, and looked at it (believing God that, when they did, they would be saved from death)?

Again, if not, then Eucharistic adoration isn’t idolatry either.

Blessings,
G.
 
Fair enough, but I fail to see where my post was any less charitable.
 
Oh no, we’re worshiping Jesus, we’re idolators! Let me ask you a question, why aren’t you worshiping the Eucharist? Jesus said “this is my body”, he did not say “this means my body”, he did not say “this is a symbol of my body”, he said “this is my body”. The Bible says it, I believe it, that settles it. I believe my Bible, I don’t know why you think I don’t.
 
You know Flannery O’Connor, one of my favourite writers, and the reason I got into writing, said that if it is just a symbol,then to hell with it. Those are some pretty strong words.
 
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Oh no, we’re worshiping Jesus, we’re idolators! Let me ask you a question, why aren’t you worshiping the Eucharist? Jesus said “this is my body”, he did not say “this means my body”, he did not say “this is a symbol of my body”, he said “this is my body”. The Bible says it, I believe it, that settles it. I believe my Bible, I don’t know why you think I don’t.
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Don’t be confusing scripture with… errr… scripture. Scripture is inerrant, well except those parts you skip over or twist to mean something else. 😉
 
I guess a person lives long enough, they hear everything.
A consecrated host is an idol. :roll_eyes:
So totally wrong.
If a person who is a non-believer wishes to talk about something like this, I would hope that they would do research as to WHY and WHERE the teaching of Transubstantiation comes from. (hint: the Bible). Might want to also read about the Ark of the Covenant in the OT.

That would make for an interesting discussion and the person might learn.
Even when Catholic posters just slap something on the boards as an “instruction” it comes across offensively.

Ask away.
But don’t come around telling people they are wrong for their beliefs on a board dedicated to their beliefs.
What makes that a good idea in the first place?
 
That’s not “blessed bread”, it’s Jesus, whom you, evangelical, profess to love and follow so much. What you said was not loving towards Jesus. It hurts him very much. Whatever weird stuff you heard, read or assumed about Catholics, we adore only God in the person of the Trinity, which includes Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament. We don’t bow down to a piece of bread, blessed or not. Get a grip.
 
Why don’t Protestants follow the Bible?

“And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, ‘This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.’ In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, ‘This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.’” - Luke 22:20-21
 
Not really, you’d be hard pressed to find Protestants who believe in Transubstantiation. Lutherans believe in “sacramental union” for example.
 
Wrong. They do. They don’t always use Latin terminology, some may even object to it, but they do hold to the same doctrine as Catholics in regards to the Eucharistic, even if they don’t use Latin words for it. However, some Orthodox are fine with the use of the word, as seen below:
Fourthly, attention must be paid that the priest have, at the time of consecration, the intention that the real substance of the bread and the substance of wine be transubstantiated into the real body and blood of Christ through the operation of the Holy Spirit.

He makes this invocation when he confects this mystery by praying and saying: “Send your Holy Spirit upon us and upon these gifts here offered and make this bread the precious body of your Christ, and that which is in this chalice the precious blood of your Christ, changing them by your Holy Spirit.”

Transubstantiation occurs immediately with these words, and the bread is transubstantiated into the real body of Christ and the wine into the real blood of Christ, with the visible appearances alone remaining.

Orthodox Confession of Faith, Peter Mogila, Metropolitan of Kiev (1633-1647)
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First, you will do well not to assume that you are correct while 1.2 billion living Catholics and 300 million living Orthodox Christians are all wrong. These beliefs are explicit in the very same bible that you claim to know. These beliefs are clearly expressed, backed up by the writing of Paul, and have been consistently practiced by Christians since day one.

About 100 years ago, a few men decided that they knew better. They proclaimed by the authority of man, that the consecrated bread and wine are not Christ and cannot be Christ. First, this is utter nonsense! All things are possible with God - especially when He says something in very clear and plain language.

Rather, look in the theological mirror and wonder why you do not believe as the Apostles did; do not believe as Jesus taught. Examine your own disbelief and see if it comports with Christ’s actual words right there in black and white on the pages of your New International Version.

Don’t assume. Investigate. Let us say, for example, that the bread and wine do actually change in substance into the sacramental presence of Christ. OK so far? Who would oppose this? Who would want mankind not to believe that Christ was present? Who would want us to doubt Christ’s words? Who would lead us to walk away, saying “These are hard sayings, who can accept them?”

Doubt. Deceit. Division. Discouragement. Devil.
 
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I know about that from the Melkite Greek Catholic church, and you don’t even have to be Christian to take such blessed bread because it’s not consecrated. Once bread is consecrated, it stops being bread and becomes Jesus.
 
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