Adoration in mortal sin?

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I know people are not supposed to go to communion while they are in a state of mortal sin. Does the same thing apply to going to Eucharistic Adoration?

Since you are going to be in His actual presence I thought maybe it would be inappropriate if you were not in a state of grace.

Hopefully I never find myself in this position but figured it would be better to know ahead of time. 🤷
 
No, you’d be OK to kneel before Him and beg His forgiveness for your transgression. Likewise at Mass, instead of receiving communion, you can make a spiritual communion. Remember Jesus is just as present at Mass as He is a Eucharistic Adoration.
 
You may adore Jesus Christ, present in the Eucharist, regardless of whether you are currently in mortal sin or not.

In fact it’s a good idea to engage in a spiritual communion in an hour of adoration, whether you are in a state of grace or a state of sin. Spiritual communion is the same thing you would do if you were unable to receive the Eucharist during Mass.

I have a committed hour of adoration each week in my Parish, and have been in a state of mortal sin a few times (since I adore on Thursdays, and the most convenient confession times for me are on Saturday). When that happens I engage in a spiritual confession and make an act of contrition, among my other prayers in adoration. It is no impediment to making my hour of adoration.

God bless you!
 
If you are in Mortal Sin and Confession is not available then Adoration would be a good place to be. And while you are at church, stop by the parish office and see if Father is in and willing to hear a Confession.
 
I think there is never a good reason to separate yourself from God. I know the Church has a policy of not wanting to give Eucharist to those in mortal sin, but in my opinion this is wrong. God wants all sinners to come to him. He did not turn away Mary Magdalene — a harlot, he supped with Zacchaeus — an usurer, and he even broke bread with Judas! Jesus has always reached out to sinners who repent of your sin. If you have not repented or fully accepted Christ, then to present yourself before Jesus and God as if you had and are welcoming His Grace is a mockery. But if you truly have repented, then you are already forgiven and to keep yourself from Him is a mistake.
 
Hasn’t it already been established that Mary Magdalene was not a harlot? Why are so many people stuck on labelling her a whore? It just simply is not true.
 
It is actually unknown whether Mary Magdalene was a harlot or not. All that is known for sure is that Jesus cast seven demons out of her (Mark 16:9, Luke 8:2). It is also unclear whether Magdalene is the same sinful woman who washed Jesus’ feet with her hair, and/or the woman who was dragged before Him as an adulteress. Throughout history she has been commonly identified as all three.

Some of the rational pointing to the possibility of her being a prostitute includes her freedom and ability to travel around with Jesus. Women of that time period were either unmarried and living in their father’s household, betrothed to be married, married, or widowed. Magdalene is never mentioned to be any of these things, and is clearly a free woman. The only women of the time period who really had that sort of unattached freedom were prostitutes.

That being said, there is no evidence that she was or was not either way. Some argue that she was misrepresented in order to diminish her authority in the Church. Some say she was an adulteress who repented and became a saint. No one knows for sure. I simply use her historical interpretation to illustrate that Jesus did not shy away from sinners, and welcomed them before him even with others were appalled by their sinful presence.
 
I think there is never a good reason to separate yourself from God.** I know the Church has a policy of not wanting to give Eucharist to those in mortal sin, but in my opinion this is wrong.** God wants all sinners to come to him. He did not turn away Mary Magdalene — a harlot, he supped with Zacchaeus — an usurer, and he even broke bread with Judas! Jesus has always reached out to sinners who repent of your sin. If you have not repented or fully accepted Christ, then to present yourself before Jesus and God as if you had and are welcoming His Grace is a mockery. But if you truly have repented, then you are already forgiven and to keep yourself from Him is a mistake.
This is not Church policy, it is God’s decision. It is clearly stated in the Bible that people in a state of mortal sin are eating themselves to death if they receive communion.
 
Re CRISTIANO: Actually what it says is:
Therefore when you come together in one place, it is not to eat the Lord’s Supper. For in eating, each one takes his own supper ahead of others; and one is hungry and another is drunk. What! Do you not have houses to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God and shame those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you in this? I do not praise you.
For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death till He comes. Therefore whoever eats this bread or drinks this cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of the body and blood[d] of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For he who eats and drinks in an unworthy manner[e] eats and drinks judgment to himself, not discerning the Lord’s[f] body.
Therefore, my brethren, when you come together to eat, wait for one another. But if anyone is hungry, let him eat at home, lest you come together for judgment. And the rest I will set in order when I come.
(I Corinthians 11:17-33, some parsing)

In Paul’s time, people did not just receive a wafer of bread and a sip of wine at communion, but whole loaves of bread were passed around and jugs of wine. Paul is appalled because people were going to communion to basically fill up on bread and get drunk on the wine, not to receive the Spirit of Christ. They were not being considerate of others who wanted communion, either, but gorged themselves before others had a chance to partake. This is abusing the purpose of communion. That is all this passage refers to when it talks about eating and drinking “in an unworthy manner”. Not the state of your soul (and not once does it ever mention “mortal sin”).
 
Re CRISTIANO: Actually what it says is:

(I Corinthians 11:17-33, some parsing)

In Paul’s time, people did not just receive a wafer of bread and a sip of wine at communion, but whole loaves of bread were passed around and jugs of wine. Paul is appalled because people were going to communion to basically fill up on bread and get drunk on the wine, not to receive the Spirit of Christ. They were not being considerate of others who wanted communion, either, but gorged themselves before others had a chance to partake. This is abusing the purpose of communion. That is all this passage refers to when it talks about eating and drinking “in an unworthy manner”. Not the state of your soul (and not once does it ever mention “mortal sin”).
So you are saying that whomever is not in communion with the Church and with God should still receive His Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity while rejecting God and His Church? Do you realize that it implies fostering open communion among people that reject communion?

From the CCC
1385 To respond to this invitation we must prepare ourselves for so great and so holy a moment. St. Paul urges us to examine our conscience: "Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself."216 Anyone conscious of a grave sin must receive the sacrament of Reconciliation before coming to communion.
 
Cristiano says:
So you are saying that whomever is not in communion with the Church and with God should still receive His Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity while rejecting God and His Church? Do you realize that it implies fostering open communion among people that reject communion?
Not at all! To take communion without believing and accepting that it is the Body and Blood of Christ would mean you are taking communion just to “eat and drink”, which Paul says is taking the Lord’s Supper in an unworthy manner. However, if there is a person who fully accepts and believes that the Spirit of God is in the Communion and desires to receive it, then whether or not they are in a state of mortal sin should not stop them from partaking. Being in a state of sin is not what Paul was saying when he says don’t take communion in an unworthy manner, but that communion should not be taken if one is taking it merely to eat, and not as the Blood and Body of Christ.

Let me put it this way. If Jesus were to appear on earth today, would you run to Him, or would you stay away because you were in a state of mortal sin? Jesus has never rejected sinners who come to Him repentant of their sins. If you desire Christ and truly repent of any wrongdoing you have done, then there is nothing “unworthy” about taking communion. That is what I am saying.
 
Not at all! To take communion without believing and accepting that it is the Body and Blood of Christ would mean you are taking communion just to “eat and drink”, which Paul says is taking the Lord’s Supper in an unworthy manner. However, if there is a person who fully accepts and believes that the Spirit of God is in the Communion and desires to receive it, then whether or not they are in a state of mortal sin should not stop them from partaking. Being in a state of sin is not what Paul was saying when he says don’t take communion in an unworthy manner, but that communion should not be taken if one is taking it merely to eat, and not as the Blood and Body of Christ.

Let me put it this way. If Jesus were to appear on earth today, would you run to Him, or would you stay away because you were in a state of mortal sin? Jesus has never rejected sinners who come to Him repentant of their sins. If you desire Christ and truly repent of any wrongdoing you have done, then there is nothing “unworthy” about taking communion. That is what I am saying.
From your final statement I infer that you do not see the need for confession and that you advocate open communion. Do I understand you correctly?

BTW Do you believe that telling a lie is a sinful act against God’s will?
 
From your final statement I infer that you do not see the need for confession and that you advocate open communion. Do I understand you correctly?
In medieval times, it was believed that if you did not have a chance to confess before you died (got “shriven” of your sins), that you would go to hell. It is true that from the beginning of Christianity, God has given priests the power to forgive sins. He does this in John 20:21, where Jesus tells his disciples, “those whose sins you forgive are forgiven them; those whose sins you retain are retained.” However, the Church points out that even if a priest forgives your sins, if you are not truly repentant then God does not forgive your sin, because God sees into your heart. But the converse of this statement must then by extension be true — that even if a priest does not forgive your sins (e.g. b/c you have not had a chance to go to confession), if you are truly repentant then God will forgive your sins, because God sees into your heart. What makes Confession to a priest truly important is its difficulty. Too often people ask God to forgive them in private prayer, but because God does not (usually answer) and they cannot (usually) see God, it is easy to believe that they have truly repented and are thus forgiven. Confessing to a priest forces a person to fully confront the shame of their sin, helping them reach true repentance. If, however, say they were to die before they had a chance to confess, if they have reached a state of true repentance and accept the gift of God’s grace in their hearts, then do you believe that Jesus would not forgive them? Even the popes and the Council of Trent agree that He would. To quote, they say “it sometimes happens that this contrition is perfect and that it reconciles man with God before the actual reception of this sacrament, still the reconciliation is not to be ascribed to the contrition itself apart from the desire of the sacrament which it (contrition) includes.” What this means that if a person is truly repentant and desire to confesses (i.e., he would confess if a confessor were accessible, and he realizes that he is obliged to confess when he has the opportunity), then God will forgive them whether or not they ever have the opportunity to go to confession.

I do not think you can consider what I “advocate” as open communion, since most other Christian denominations, and certainly all non-Christians, do not believe that the Eucharist is really the Body and Blood of Christ. They see it as symbolic only, in which case to eat and drink it would to them be literally only eating and drinking, which as Paul says is taking the Eucharist in an unworthy manner. Again, Paul’s point was not that sin made a person unworthy of communion, but gorging on and treating God’s Body as nothing more than bread was disrespectful and unworthy.

However, Jesus says that if I person does not eat of his body and drink of his blood, then they do not have life within them (John 6:53-58). If a person has come to believe and accept the True Eucharist with all their heart, and desires it, what right have we to keep it from them? If they were to die before the church deems them “ready” to have first communion (a process that could take a year or longer in some places), then technically we have condemned their souls to eternal death. And that’s just the case for non-Catholics.

Consider the case of the Catholic person who started this thread. I know their question was hypothetical, but for the sake of argument, let’s say they are in a state of mortal sin and truly repent of it. Also for sake of argument, let’s say that they could not attend confession until after the next communion. Here is a person who believes that the bread and wine is the Blood and Body of Christ, and who truly repents of their sin. According to the Council of Trent, God has already reconciled them, even before they have gone to confessions. Should they then still be denied Jesus? One might say that they can wait to have communion until after they are officially shriven, but what if they were to die before then? Would they then go to hell because they did not have a chance to officially confess their sins? If you believe, as I do, that Jesus would not condemn them in death because they have repented and desire his forgiveness, then why would He deny them the forgiveness of his Communion in life?
 
Dang, reading the above post is like a dija-vu conversation I had with my non-denominational Christian psychologist just the other day. I’ll let someone ELSE deal with that particular post.

For the OP, of course you can go and adore Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament even if you are not in the state of grace. It may very well be the action that spurs you onto a true and contrite confession. God always welcomes us to pray to Him and open up a dialogue, ESPECIALLY if we have sinned. Never feel that you are unworthy to talk, pray or adore Him.
 
From your final statement I infer that you do not see the need for confession and that you advocate open communion. Do I understand you correctly?

BTW Do you believe that telling a lie is a sinful act against God’s will?
In medieval times, it was believed that if you did not have a chance to confess before you died (got “shriven” of your sins), that you would go to hell. It is true that from the beginning of Christianity, God has given priests the power to forgive sins. He does this in John 20:21, where Jesus tells his disciples, “those whose sins you forgive are forgiven them; those whose sins you retain are retained.” However, the Church points out that even if a priest forgives your sins, if you are not truly repentant then God does not forgive your sin, because God sees into your heart. But the converse of this statement must then by extension be true — that even if a priest does not forgive your sins (e.g. b/c you have not had a chance to go to confession), if you are truly repentant then God will forgive your sins, because God sees into your heart. What makes Confession to a priest truly important is its difficulty. Too often people ask God to forgive them in private prayer, but because God does not (usually answer) and they cannot (usually) see God, it is easy to believe that they have truly repented and are thus forgiven. Confessing to a priest forces a person to fully confront the shame of their sin, helping them reach true repentance. If, however, say they were to die before they had a chance to confess, if they have reached a state of true repentance and accept the gift of God’s grace in their hearts, then do you believe that Jesus would not forgive them? Even the popes and the Council of Trent agree that He would. To quote, they say “it sometimes happens that this contrition is perfect and that it reconciles man with God before the actual reception of this sacrament, still the reconciliation is not to be ascribed to the contrition itself apart from the desire of the sacrament which it (contrition) includes.” What this means that if a person is truly repentant and desire to confesses (i.e., he would confess if a confessor were accessible, and he realizes that he is obliged to confess when he has the opportunity), then God will forgive them whether or not they ever have the opportunity to go to confession.
You went through an historical discussion without giving a clear answer to my question. Do you see the need for confession? All your arguments are about the individual and God but you skip all the part of the reconciliation with the Church. I also think that the generalization of repenting on the deathbed does not apply to the case when there is a clear possibility of going to confession. Until now you have been advocating the idea of distributing communion to people in a state of mortal sin without having to go to confession. Do you believe that a truly contrite person would not try to reconcile itself with God and the Church before trying to be in communion with God and the Church?
 
…However, Jesus says that if I person does not eat of his body and drink of his blood, then they do not have life within them (John 6:53-58). If a person has come to believe and accept the True Eucharist with all their heart, and desires it, what right have we to keep it from them? If they were to die before the church deems them “ready” to have first communion (a process that could take a year or longer in some places), then technically we have condemned their souls to eternal death. And that’s just the case for non-Catholics…
I think that you are really confusing communion with baptism.
 
You went through an historical discussion without giving a clear answer to my question. Do you see the need for confession? All your arguments are about the individual and God but you skip all the part of the reconciliation with the Church. I also think that the generalization of repenting on the deathbed does not apply to the case when there is a clear possibility of going to confession. Until now you have been advocating the idea of distributing communion to people in a state of mortal sin without having to go to confession. Do you believe that a truly contrite person would not try to reconcile itself with God and the Church before trying to be in communion with God and the Church?
Here are my answers (I’ll try to be as clear as possible):
Do you see the need for confession?
  1. Yes
    Confession is crucial to repentance. If we cannot face our sins, how can we truly repent of them? The question I think you mean to ask is not whether confession is necessary, but whether confessing directly to God is sufficient, or whether sins must be confessed to a priest to be forgiven. The church permits venial sins to be confessed directly to God, but says mortal sins need to go through a priest. I agree with this because I know from experience that a person tends to undergo a much deeper shame and catharsis when forced to reveal their sins to another living person, then when revealing them to directly to an invisible God. That being said, I think it is possible for a person to truly repent to God and be reconciled with him before they have a chance to go to confession, I just think it is harder.
Do you believe that a truly contrite person would not try to reconcile itself with God and the Church before trying to be in communion with God and the Church?
  1. Yes and no (see below)
    I do believe that a truly contrite person would try and reconcile themself with God and the Church. However, I do not believe that they should be denied communion simply because that opportunity has not presented itself, or if they have confessed but for whatever reason are required to do penance for X weeks or months or years (this does happen). During this time, because the church doesn’t perceive their penance as being “fulfilled” yet, they are technically not allowed to receive communion. I think this is wrong. Communion is a great sacrament of healing. Taking communion could help someone who is feeling separated from God to draw back closer to Him. In the Bible, God never required sinners to confess their sins before coming into his presence or eating with Him. It was sufficient that they desired to be near Him. Consider, Jesus even broke bread at the Last Supper with Judas, who had already prepared his betrayal and subsequent murder! Jesus did not tell Judas that he could not partake of his communion, even though Judas was definitely not in a state of Grace.
A more extreme way of looking at it is like this. There was a forum post recently from a man who thought he sold his soul to the devil as a young boy, and although he felt God calling to him as he grew and even though he gave himself to God, the bargain he thought he had made kept him separated from God. Of course, you cannot sell your soul to the devil because only God has power over your soul, but the devil made him think he did and this kept him apart from God, even though he was desperate to return to him. Likewise, our sins separate us initially from God, but if we let the thought of that sin keep us from returning to God and embracing him, then the devil wins, however temporarily.

For all these reasons, I think that if a person has sinned, truly repents, and has confessed that sin to God and plans to confess or has already confessed to a priest, they should be allowed (if their spirit truly desires it) to receive communion.
 
Here are my answers (I’ll try to be as clear as possible):
  1. Yes
    Confession is crucial to repentance. If we cannot face our sins, how can we truly repent of them? The question I think you mean to ask is not whether confession is necessary, but whether confessing directly to God is sufficient, or whether sins must be confessed to a priest to be forgiven. The church permits venial sins to be confessed directly to God, but says mortal sins need to go through a priest. I agree with this because I know from experience that a person tends to undergo a much deeper shame and catharsis when forced to reveal their sins to another living person, then when revealing them to directly to an invisible God. That being said, I think it is possible for a person to truly repent to God and be reconciled with him before they have a chance to go to confession, I just think it is harder.
  2. Yes and no (see below)
    I do believe that a truly contrite person would try and reconcile themself with God and the Church. However, I do not believe that they should be denied communion simply because that opportunity has not presented itself, or if they have confessed but for whatever reason are required to do penance for X weeks or months or years (this does happen). During this time, because the church doesn’t perceive their penance as being “fulfilled” yet, they are technically not allowed to receive communion. I think this is wrong. Communion is a great sacrament of healing. Taking communion could help someone who is feeling separated from God to draw back closer to Him. In the Bible, God never required sinners to confess their sins before coming into his presence or eating with Him. It was sufficient that they desired to be near Him. Consider, Jesus even broke bread at the Last Supper with Judas, who had already prepared his betrayal and subsequent murder! Jesus did not tell Judas that he could not partake of his communion, even though Judas was definitely not in a state of Grace.
A more extreme way of looking at it is like this. There was a forum post recently from a man who thought he sold his soul to the devil as a young boy, and although he felt God calling to him as he grew and even though he gave himself to God, the bargain he thought he had made kept him separated from God. Of course, you cannot sell your soul to the devil because only God has power over your soul, but the devil made him think he did and this kept him apart from God, even though he was desperate to return to him. Likewise, our sins separate us initially from God, but if we let the thought of that sin keep us from returning to God and embracing him, then the devil wins, however temporarily.

For all these reasons, I think that if a person has sinned, truly repents, and has confessed that sin to God and plans to confess or has already confessed to a priest, they should be allowed (if their spirit truly desires it) to receive communion.
Thanks for the reply. Now I understand better what you were trying to tell me.
 
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Originally Posted by RM ArceJaeger
…However, Jesus says that if a person does not eat of his body and drink of his blood, then they do not have life within them (John 6:53-58). If a person has come to believe and accept the True Eucharist with all their heart, and desires it, what right have we to keep it from them? If they were to die before the church deems them “ready” to have first communion (a process that could take a year or longer in some places), then technically we have condemned their souls to eternal death. And that’s just the case for non-Catholics…
Response from Cristiano
I think that you are really confusing communion with baptism.
No, I’m not. This line from scripture (John 6:53-58) is the reason why the Eucharist is the center of the mass and why the Catholic church technically believes (or at least used to believe) that all non-Catholics are going to Hell. Jesus makes the following point:
Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed. He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. This is the bread which came down from heaven—not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever.
 
Thanks for the reply. Now I understand better what you were trying to tell me.
You’re welcome. I’m sorry it took so long to clarify what I was trying to say.
 
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