Adultry a Crime?

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cabil:
… The first letters was then abbvreviated to the now curse word.
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urban myth

that particular word has a long etymological pedigree
 
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Lexee15:
That’s true, unfortunately while we’re still on earth the betrayal can be devastating and long-lasting and far-reaching, that’s why consequences that are visible now, I think, would be helpful.
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I would agree. My family today is still effected by my grandfather’s cheating. But laws would have only made him more clever and perhaps more abusive toward my grandma. I think that this is one area that we have to leave in God’s hands. Which is what I meant by eternal consequences. Everyone has to stand before our Lord to be judged. Sometimes things are simply out of our hands.

We also have to ask ourselves would the laws make a difference? I don’t think so. Such laws didn’t work in the past and they won’t now.

Also what is your definition of adultery? I have read some web sites that conclude that having sex before marriage is adultery and I suppose that in a broad sense it would be. Should people who have had sex before marriage go to prison?
 
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steveandersen:
urban myth

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Oh darn. I have to admit that I always liked this particular urban myth.🙂
 
Island Oak:
If only there was legislation that could ensure moral, responsible behaviour. Then again, the crooked, lying, adulterous scoundrels in the legislatures probaly have no incentive to revive the old prohibitions against adultery.
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:hmmm:

Good point yet sad commentary.

So often today we think leadership doesn’t matter. It does.
 
Steven Merten:
*I read a story about a woman who begged the Church to leave her marriage valid and intact. She begged to have God’s commandment against adultery defend her marriage. She said if her husband repents, she will take him back. Her husband was seeking an annulment to marry his girlfriend. The Church told the woman that the unulment of her marriage was none of her business. They unnuled the marriage and her husband married his girlfriend in the Church. *
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1ke:
In a fiction book maybe.
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Hello 1ke,

Well we certianly know and agree that the Church would never believe such a “fiction book” story, as you call it. It was printed in Fr. Straviskas’s Catholic Answers magazine.

I believe her. I believe that Jesus believes this woman’s, and her plight, and others like her, who are pushed by the wayside by their spouces and the Church, for her, and others like her, husband’s grilfriend.
 
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shannin:
At one time an adulteror would have been shunned by the community - but no longer. Modern society has become immune to it 😦 :(.
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But what if the wife forgives her husband? Is she suppose to shun him too? Do we shun her if she forgives him and sticks by him?

I agree that men who cheat are scum. But, I wouldn’t want to further hurt the wife . . .
 
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cabil:
In the book The Scarlet Letter the women were always the one punished, also in the Bible the woman was being threaten with being stoned to deathfor being caught in the act of adultry. In the early days the Puritans would write up those caught in the act with something like a ticket the crime would be: For Unlawful Carnal Knowlege. The first letters was then abbvreviated to the now curse word.
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In the Scarlet Letter, the woman was single and pregnant. Therefore, her actions were obvious to all. She refused to tell the name of the man she had slept with - since the man was not “found out” he could not be punished.
 
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deb1:
Also what is your definition of adultery? I have read some web sites that conclude that having sex before marriage is adultery and I suppose that in a broad sense it would be. Should people who have had sex before marriage go to prison?
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Sex before marriage (by single participants) is called fornication, among other names. The term “adultery” can only be properly used if one of the participants is married.
 
Steven Merten:
Hello Lexee,

How about adultery simply being taken into consideration in Church tribunals for anulments? I read a story about a woman who begged the Church to leave her marriage valid and intact. She begged to have God’s commandment against adultery defend her marriage. She said if her husband repents, she will take him back. Her husband was seeking an annulment to marry his girlfriend. The Church told the woman that the unulment of her marriage was none of her business. They unnuled the marriage and her husband married his girlfriend in the Church.
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This certainly sounds scandalous. If it happened, I would think there were reasons (outside the cheating) that this marriage was annulled.

Remember, annulments are not just “Catholic divorces”. They represent a serious investigation into the validity of the marriage. If the marriage was not firm at the beginning, time cannot make it firm nor can pleading by the wife.

The desire to be married should not be a factor in determining the validity of a marriage, though it tugs at the heart to hear about a woman clinging to her vows. Nonetheless, if ‘desire’ is a factor - the ‘desire’ to not be married would also have to be considered a valid reason for an annulment.
 
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JGheen:
This certainly sounds scandalous. If it happened, I would think there were reasons (outside the cheating) that this marriage was annulled.

Remember, annulments are not just “Catholic divorces”. They represent a serious investigation into the validity of the marriage. If the marriage was not firm at the beginning, time cannot make it firm nor can pleading by the wife.

The desire to be married should not be a factor in determining the validity of a marriage, though it tugs at the heart to hear about a woman clinging to her vows. Nonetheless, if ‘desire’ is a factor - the ‘desire’ to not be married would also have to be considered a valid reason for an annulment.
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Regardless of all the details Church tribunals go through to determine annulments for a minuete. This poor woman married to her husband for ten plus years with five children expected and desired some protection from God’s commandment. Some cute secratary comes allong and now the husband has the Church find some detail to take the wife’s life away from her? Why did God make the commandment against divorce and adutery anyway? Was it not to protect just such a woman in a vulnerable state once she lacks the beauty of her young adulterous rivals? Was God’s commandment not intended to protect the family unit? With the Church granting unullments to 95% of men with young adulterous girl friends, is God’s will in the commandment not to divorce being enforced by the Church to protect the family unit. Bah humbug on the Church throwing out protection of the family unit from God’s commandment against adultery.
 
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cabil:
In the book The Scarlet Letter the women were always the one punished, also in the Bible the woman was being threaten with being stoned to death for being caught in the act of adultry. In the early days the Puritans would write up those caught in the act with something like a ticket the crime would be: For Unlawful Carnal Knowlege. The first letters was then abbvreviated to the now curse word.
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strange. i thought the f word originated long ago back in England when married couples had to get permission from their king to…you know; those that did, hung a sign outside their bedroom door reading, “Fornicating Under Consent of the King.” Makes you think, eh?
 
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JGheen:
But what if the wife forgives her husband? Is she suppose to shun him too? Do we shun her if she forgives him and sticks by him?

I agree that men who cheat are scum. But, I wouldn’t want to further hurt the wife . . .
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Not accusing you of being sexist:) but women cheat also.
 
Steven Merten:
Regardless of all the details Church tribunals go through to determine annulments for a minuete. This poor woman married to her husband for ten plus years with five children expected and desired some protection from God’s commandment. Some cute secratary comes allong and now the husband has the Church find some detail to take the wife’s life away from her? Why did God make the commandment against divorce and adutery anyway? Was it not to protect just such a woman in a vulnerable state once she lacks the beauty of her young adulterous rivals? Was God’s commandment not intended to protect the family unit? With the Church granting unullments to 95% of men with young adulterous girl friends, is God’s will in the commandment not to divorce being enforced by the Church to protect the family unit. Bah humbug on the Church throwing out protection of the family unit from God’s commandment against adultery.
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This is truely sad…if my marriage ends I will be seeking an annulment, he lied to me from the very beginning. I didn’t know about his addictions and I’m sure he was unfaithful before we married, I would think these might be grounds for seeking one, no? I will be the woman seeking the annulment, but it certainly isn’t to marry some cutie. I can see where you’re coming from, men seek the annulment to marry their mistress…shameful!!! How can this happen though? Doesn’t the church not allow this kind of union?
 
Let me pose another question, since it seems that having adultry laws really doesn’t matter and the adulterer won’t be punished, what about this. Can the adulterer be held criminally responsible for exposing their spouse to potentially fatal stds? Something like criminally negligent or depraved indifference or something like that? I know for a fact that my husband was/is having UNPROTECTED sex with several women. I have had to have several blood and other tests to rule out any stds and aids. As you see I am also pregnant, he exposed me and my child to any number of diseases. He knows what he’s doing, I shouldn’t be asking him to wear a condom (not intimate with him anymore), first I practice nfp and second he’s my husband!!! I don’t know the stats but I know there are many women who suffer with HIV because their husbands brought it home to them. What about jail time for this? He knew he was sleeping around and made a concious decision to expose me to diseases. What about this route?
 
Steven Merten:
Hello Lexee,

How about adultery simply being taken into consideration in Church tribunals for anulments? I read a story about a woman who begged the Church to leave her marriage valid and intact. She begged to have God’s commandment against adultery defend her marriage. She said if her husband repents, she will take him back. Her husband was seeking an annulment to marry his girlfriend. The Church told the woman that the unulment of her marriage was none of her business. They unnuled the marriage and her husband married his girlfriend in the Church.
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I suspect that there was much more to this story than that; and I also suspect that she was not told that the annulment was none of her business; I suspect that she might have been told that if there were grounds to find nullity, that it would be granted even if she did not want it granted.

That may have been what the article actuall said (your comments, that is), but the fact that someone writes an article or is quoted in an article does not prove that the statements were true.
 
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Lexee15:
Actually, I wouldn’t mind the State that far into my personal life, especially since adulterers don’t follow the laws of God maybe the laws of the State would be more persuasive. The State wouldn’t be part of it until someone committed adultry…simple as that.
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but you are making the assumption that it would be based on what might be called generic Christianity; were it Islamic law, the adulterers would be beheaded.

There was a film about of the beheading of an Arabic princess caught in adultery; a bit graphic.
 
they still have the death penalty for adultery in the middle east, but thats taking it too far.
 
Steven Merten:
Hello 1ke,

Well we certianly know and agree that the Church would never believe such a “fiction book” story, as you call it. It was printed in Fr. Straviskas’s Catholic Answers magazine.

I believe her. I believe that Jesus believes this woman’s, and her plight, and others like her, who are pushed by the wayside by their spouces and the Church, for her, and others like her, husband’s grilfriend.You may believe what you like. I have never seen Father Straviskas make such a statement; I suspect if the statement was made, it was made by the questioner; and again that does not prove that the questioner had theri facts straight; it may be what they were told, but the odds are it was at least in part either a lie or a distortion of the truth.

Palin and simple, that is not how the Tribunals work, and there is a whole lot to the story you are not hearing.
 
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