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After More Than 450 Years, Catholicism Returns To King Henry VIII's Palace
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Petaro
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The beginning of a long term plan to claim “adverse possession”? Cunning. The lawyer in me loves it.
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7_Sorrows
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I am not sure King Henry VIII would be turning over in his grave as he actually defended the Catholic faith and liked the Catholic Mass and being Catholic. Yes he did create his own Church of England and declared himself head of the church and he did break from Rome after many years of desperation wanting a male heir. I don’t think he would mind at all the service that took place. Perhaps I am wrong, but that is my opinion.
I think it is wonderful the service took place there. Let the healing begin.
I think it is wonderful the service took place there. Let the healing begin.
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ComplineSanFran
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I agree. And I think there is a strong relationship between Cardinal Nichols and ABC Justin Welby which shows in how this service was able to happen. And it looks as if Anglican Bishop Chartres (London) is also on very good terms with the Cardinal. All that makes a difference in the healing. These three are all good and holy men of God.
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Don_Ruggero
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I am happy that this event occurred and sorry that I could not be there…but this is one more event in a long line. There have been Catholic Masses celebrated, after all, in various royal chapels – just as those enthroned have attended Catholic services since Henry VIII.
Thanks be to God, the relationship between the Roman Catholic Church and the Church of England has been steadily improving for many decades – and it is a joy to see and to have lived.
Thanks be to God, the relationship between the Roman Catholic Church and the Church of England has been steadily improving for many decades – and it is a joy to see and to have lived.
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zz912
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Considering his daughters reigned for 50 years combined, his desperation for a son shows how sin can darken our minds. If he had stayed married, and had more children with Catherine, his legacy would be one of the great Catholic monarchs in history. He might even have become a saint.
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ComplineSanFran
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But alas, Catherine could have no more children, so perhaps the Tudor line might have ended with Henry. No Elizabeth I. I think things happened as they should have.
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Della
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Well the Tudor line ended anyway. Henry produced only viable female heirs (not counting illegitimate sons). Elizabeth was barren, as she herself attested. Besides, any heir she would have produced would not have been a pure Tudor any more than that of his daughter Mary. As it was, for all Henry’s rebellion and efforts, another royal line inherited the throne through Mary of Scotland. It seems to me that it simply wasn’t God’s will that he produce a male heir.
Anyway, I hope the Church of England will one day be reunited with her mother Church so we can be one again.
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ProVobis
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Well, today we have no shortage of male heirs to the throne.
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Della
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True. I pray good health and happiness to Her Majesty and all her family.Well, today we have no shortage of male heirs to the throne.
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Tarpeian_Rock
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You are perhaps forgetting Henry’s legitimate son by Jane Seymour, who reigned as Edward VI from January 1547 until July 1553.
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Della
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Not at all, but Edward didn’t live to reproduce, therefore, he doesn’t come into play regarding whether or not the Tudor line would have continued. Anne Boleyn had a still-born son before having Elizabeth, of course, but again, since Henry had no legitimate living male heir other than Edward, his line ended with Elizabeth.
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multitude
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I’ve always thought Henry VIII was romanticised a bit. A split like this, all because you wanted your own way. Can’t say I am a fan. It’s good to see this though.
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ComplineSanFran
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The formal split would have happened anyway. It wasn’t nice and neat the way many people, especially Romans, speak of it. It was complicated and political. And inevitable. Get GKC to explain. He is our resident expert.
And yes, it’s good to see this event happening after 450 years.
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7_Sorrows
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complicated and political is right. not quite like Luther’s split.
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Peccavi
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The Anglican creed (Church of England’s Confession of Faith )
WE BELIEVE in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come.
Amen
99% Catholic
WE BELIEVE in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come.
Amen
99% Catholic
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oneofmany
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From watching a documentary on it the other day it showed Catherine did have a son but he died in infancy, she also had many miscarriages. Their daughter lived but I guess Henry didn’t see that as a heir fit to succeed him at the time.
It also showed Catherine continually praying and fasting to have a son. Makes me wonder how much of that fasting made her sickly and not able to have a healthy pregnancy. Too bad doctors at the time didn’t know that.
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7_Sorrows
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I don’t understand the percentage at the bottom.
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Peccavi
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99% - the 1% is that Anglican’s do not acknowledge Papal supremacy but see the Pope as primus inter pares - first only among equals. Therefore the Pope has no authority over Anglicans.
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7_Sorrows
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so you mean Anglicans are 99% Catholic and 1% Protestant?
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