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:nunchuk: Hisalone - 5:37 - Strike Two - deliberate thread derail - reread the topic - one more strike and you disqualify yourself from further comment. :nunchuk:

Can you please comment on the post I asked you to comment on.
 
Matt. 5:26,18:34; Luke 12:58-59 – Jesus teaches us, “Come to terms with your opponent or you will be handed over to the judge and thrown into prison. You will not get out until you have paid the last penny.” The word “opponent” (antidiko) is likely a reference to the devil (see the same word for devil in 1 Pet. 5:8) who is an accuser against man (c.f. Job 1.6-12; Zech. 3.1; Rev. 12.10), and God is the judge. If we have not adequately dealt with satan and sin in this life, we will be held in a temporary state called a prison, and we won’t get out until we have satisfied our entire debt to God. This “prison” is purgatory where we will not get out until the last penny is paid.

Matt. 5:48 - Jesus says, “be perfect, even as your heavenly Father is perfect.” We are only made perfect through purification, and in Catholic teaching, this purification, if not completed on earth, is continued in a transitional state we call purgatory.

Matt. 12:32 – Jesus says, “And anyone who says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but no one who speaks against the Holy Spirit will be forgiven either in this world or in the next.” Jesus thus clearly provides that there is forgiveness after death. The phrase “in the next” (from the Greek “en to mellonti”) generally refers to the afterlife (see, for example, Mark 10.30; Luke 18.30; 20.34-35; Eph. 1.21 for similar language). Forgiveness is not necessary in heaven, and there is no forgiveness in hell. This proves that there is another state after death, and the Church for 2,000 years has called this state purgatory.

Luke 12:47-48 - when the Master comes (at the end of time), some will receive light or heavy beatings but will live. This state is not heaven or hell, because in heaven there are no beatings, and in hell we will no longer live with the Master.

Luke 16:19-31 - in this story, we see that the dead rich man is suffering but still feels compassion for his brothers and wants to warn them of his place of suffering. But there is no suffering in heaven or compassion in hell because compassion is a grace from God and those in hell are deprived from God’s graces for all eternity. So where is the rich man? He is in purgatory.

1 Cor. 15:29-30 - Paul mentions people being baptized on behalf of the dead, in the context of atoning for their sins (people are baptized on the dead’s behalf so the dead can be raised). These people cannot be in heaven because they are still with sin, but they also cannot be in hell because their sins can no longer be atoned for. They are in purgatory. These verses directly correspond to 2 Macc. 12:44-45 which also shows specific prayers for the dead, so that they may be forgiven of their sin.

Phil. 2:10 - every knee bends to Jesus, in heaven, on earth, and “under the earth” which is the realm of the righteous dead, or purgatory.

2 Tim. 1:16-18 - Onesiphorus is dead but Paul asks for mercy on him “on that day.” Paul’s use of “that day” demonstrates its eschatological usage (see, for example, Rom. 2.5,16; 1 Cor. 1.8; 3.13; 5.5; 2 Cor. 1.14; Phil. 1.6,10; 2.16; 1 Thess. 5.2,4,5,8; 2 Thess. 2.2,3; 2 Tim. 4.8). Of course, there is no need for mercy in heaven, and there is no mercy given in hell. Where is Onesiphorus? He is in purgatory.
continued at scripturecatholic.com/purgatory.html#purgatory-I
Hisalone Could you help me on let’s do Luke 12:47-48. They are all so good. But I think thats an easy one. Its right above so you don’t even have to look it up. Thanks
 
Origen of Alexandria (185-254 A.D.) – A ecclesiastical writer and teacher who contributed to the early formation of Christian doctrines.

We may thus assert in utter confidence that the Jews will not return to their earlier situation, for they have committed the most abominable of crimes, in forming this conspiracy against the Savior of the human race…hence the city where Jesus suffered was necessarily destroyed, the Jewish nation was driven from its country, and another people was called by God to the blessed election.

John Chrysostom (344-407 A.D.) – One of the “greatest” of church fathers; known as “The Golden Mouthed.” A missionary preacher famous for his sermons and addresses.

The synagogue is worse than a brothel…it is the den of scoundrels and the repair of wild beasts…the temple of demons devoted to idolatrous cults…the refuge of brigands and dabauchees, and the cavern of devils. It is a criminal assembly of Jews…a place of meeting for the assassins of Christ… a house worse than a drinking shop…a den of thieves, a house of ill fame, a dwelling of iniquity, the refuge of devils, a gulf and a abyss of perdition."…"I would say the same things about their souls… As for me, I hate the synagogue…I hate the Jews for the same reason.

From “The Roots of Christian Anti-Semitism” by Malcolm Hay
Now don’t ignore my posts now, you’ve just been canned and locked in the pantry on both Mary’s sinlessness and purgatory …
 
I will have to sign off for a while on account of my foot but it was most entertatining and enlightening talking with you all. And I mean you ALL.😃
 
I see that this way: The first century was a transitional time moving from Judaism to Christianity. It doesn’t say they were saved. It says they knew the way. They drew back from it, but were never saved. I believe that is also the case in a couple of similar passages in Hebrews. Scripture harmonizes, and there is a huge body of verses that proclaim the perseverance of the saints. Would you like me to list them?
the key word in this passage is KNOWN…when scipture uses the word know/known it is used in the way as to be one with…ie and he knew her…i have not known a man…so these people knew the way ,had the way but turned back.
it is written that it is God’s will that all be saved so either all will be saved or God has no power over who will be saved.meaning that it is not in His hands what man will do with His gift of grace…
 
I will have to sign off for a while on account of my foot but it was most entertatining and enlightening talking with you all. And I mean you ALL.😃
Thanks for your wonderful contributions so far. 👍 Hope the pain eases off. Youre in my prayers.
 
I can understand the word "honor’ because Mary was honored. Do you recant the word “pedestal” in regards to Mary? BTW, do you have a statue of Mary on a pedestal at home?

**Hi Under, 👋
Hey, I have one. Do you want to buy one? I can get you one real cheap! I own a store and can get you a big discount. The statue of Mary really looks great on the pedestal. At church we have Mary, Joseph, Jesus and St Monica statues on pedestals.I was wondering does the pedestal give the statue magical power in some of the protestant denominations? It is a place to place a statue in the Catholic culture! Do you want to start the Catholic’s “worship” Mary game? I like that one.😃 It makes Protestants seem so Errrrr … strange when we say we don’t “worship” Mary we honor her and then we are told that our Honor is worship! Hail Mary Full of Grace! This divine favor would not have been shown Mary if she were not chosen to be the mother of God’s Only-begotten Son. It is a fundamental christian belief that no person can find favor with God apart from the reception of his divine grace. I think protestants also believe that! Maybe not, you guys do confuse me. Mary would have to be sinless in order to be granted the unique favor and privilege of being the mother of our Lord. And she was not merely used by God to conceive and bear his divine Son but especially chosen to be his mother for all eternity. Thus the grace God had endowed her with was to endure throughout her entire life. This has been the belief of the Catholic Church since apostolic time (Lk 11:28).

“And indeed it was wholly fitting that so wonderful a mother should be ever resplendent with the glory of most sublime holiness and so completely free from all taint of original sin that she would triumph utterly over the ancient serpent. To her did the Father will to give his Only-begotten Son – the Son whom, equal to the Father and begotten by him, the Father loves from his heart – and to give this Son in such a way that he would be the one and the same common Son of God the Father and of the Blessed Virgin Mary. It was she whom the Son himself chose to make his Mother and it was from her that the Holy Spirit willed and brought it about that he should be conceived and born from whom he himself proceeds.” Ineffabilis Deus, Pope Pius lX, 8 December 1854

God Bless**
 
I will have to sign off for a while on account of my foot but it was most entertatining and enlightening talking with you all. And I mean you ALL.😃
:compcoff: Are you coming back?
because you didn’t answer my post #275 (which was a reply to one of your posts)…not like you have to, but…I’d appreciate it.
 
Greetings, bro! I think you stepped in it there in the first sentence. Major violation of doctrine and the place where many lose their way. I am speaking of your comment that Paul made many errors when he spoke. You of course were referring to when he spoke in his letters of the (now) Canon. Paul was human and erred like the rest of us, but when he wrote those letters, they were there very breath of God ("…God-breathed") they were inerrant. All that follows from the mouths of men (including popes) must submit to them and line up with them. You know that is basic doctrine.
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Hi Martin,👋
That sounds good Martin! Very authoritative:thumbsup: But, it is wrong. :rolleyes: But it did sound good. You believe all the words in the bible are the breath of God? Isn’t that precious! Is that the original words or the changes made to the real bible? Which one of the 100 versions is correct? Do you think the two that the SDA just wrote themselves should be included? I agree that the Holy scriptures are inerrant. Your interpretation can and normally will be in error. You also are not God, sorry! You are not even his authorized representative on earth that through apolostic succession has the sole authority to correctly interpret the word of God and its meaning. However like I said it, did sound good! But could you please stick to the OP Ag_not will get angry! You know what that means! :nunchuk: **
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Ag_not:
Originally Posted by Hisalone

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Hisalone - 5:37 - Strike Two - deliberate thread derail - reread the topic - one more strike and you disqualify yourself from further comment.

Can you please comment on the post I asked you to comment on.
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Hi Ag_not 👋

I was wondering, could you give Hisalone a special status? He is the only really interesting person here and he wants to win so much he is pulling all the old Catholic faith bashing thing out of the closet! We need the practice!

Thanks for your consideration of this humble request! 👍

God Bless**
 
Did Jesus go to heaven immediately after death? No. Did He ascend to heaven 3 days after His death on His resurrection? No
Remember what He said in the garden to Mary Magdelain? I have not ascended to my Father yet.

That evening Jesus was traveling with some disciples to Ammaus.

18 For Christ also died * for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit; 19 in which he went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20* who formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water. 21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, [1 Pet 3:…]

That is what Jesus did immediately the “Day” He died on the cross. He went to preach to the souls in prison, who are there going back to the days of Noah.

Keep trying
Ya gotta be really GaGa not to get that baby!!!:yup: :nope: :whacky: :hypno: :newidea: :newidea:
 
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