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prodigalson2011
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So far so good.Yes, I would say something like that – that we don’t know for sure what emotions animals might have. Perhaps some have a generalised sense of awe from time to time, but they lack our cognition and introspection so do not attribute that sort of feeling to anything philosophical.
Yes. Now, I do want to stress that I’m not of the school that thinks God must intervene after the fact. I accept the scientific concensus on evolution, and do believe that it is, in fact, a natural process whose full physical explanation can be found within the physical universe. However, you have made a claim that I wish to disagree upon, and that these explanations say that evolution is not an arranged process. The best science we have can show how evolution can go to work upon organisms, but I don’t believe the purely statistical explanations say, in themselves, that the process is necessarily unarranged, if by unarranged we mean accidental. This may seem contradictory to my previous assertion, but I will make a distinction here. I believe that all physical phenomena within the universe can be explained within said universe. However, I think the totality of the universe is suggestive of a creative force outside of it. Anyway, as I was saying I don’t think the purely scientific explanations rule out arrangement, in a certain sense. Certain explainers (ahemDawkins) would certainly like to insist upon it, but I don’t think the data we have supports this in either direction.I agree that this might be overlooked when considering the macro evidence of it - species changing over time, adaptation and survival of the fittest - but that is exactly what these explanations say, that evolution is not an arranged process.
Perhaps I have been inefficient in stating this case, so I will try my best to reiterate. I don’t think this explains the origin of the idea of sight, and introducing a different scenario (bats and sonar, for instance) doesn’t effect the premise I was arguing from. Let’s see… It’s difficult to put this into words. I would agree that we can physically explain the origin of sight, sonar, or any other property of a living creature up to the point of physical evolution, but all of these physical properties have a metaphysical aspect that to me implies a conscious plan. Suspend your objections for just a moment, because I will return to this in my response to your next post.We can explain the origin of the idea of sight, especially the type of sight that you describe, because it is the variety we have and experience. If we were bats, we would be asking why we happened to have such usefully good hearing that responded so well to the audible clicks we produced, where that idea came from. These forms of perception can indeed be understood as the result of those stages of development you describe in the imaginary ID’er vs naturalist debate. If having organs that sense light provides greater opportunity to find food/evade predators, those creatures that possess them will survive. If one of them sees better or a more useful range of frequencies, they will develop the eye by their survival. I’m sure you get all that argument, and I struggle to see the conceptual gap in it.
Well, here’s our fundamental disagreement. I think it’s an astounding delegation of creative power from creator to creation.It is entirely fortuitous accident.
Yes. For the sake of responding point by point, I’ll repeat: I agree with the evolutionary concensus, up to the point of atheistic accident vs. theistic super software, which should take us cleanly into your next post…Well you are right, or you suggest the answer in your question - by secreting certain chemicals, basic physiological and psychological effects can be produced that correspond with appropriate stimuli. That is incredibly adaptive for an animal, especially in a complex environment, and would presumably have offered a survival bonus. We can think of many emotions which are relatable to evolution: sex/love/fear/empathy.