Age of Consent - 12 years old

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What age should the age of consent be? Is 12 an appropriate age to set the age of consent? Is a country (or state) that sets the age of consent at 12 being moral?
 
Chicago_Bears said:
What age should the age of consent be? Is 12 an appropriate age to set the age of consent? Is a country (or state) that sets the age of consent at 12 being moral?
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Is there a place in the world where the age of consent is 12? That seems a wee bit young. I am assuming that you mean that a 12 year old could get married without parental permission?
 
Frankly, the age of 12 is only representative of a prepubescent child who is essentially “clueless”. While someone of that age may be past the age of being able to discern right from wrong, that does not mean that a 12 year old is capable of making decisions that will be life changing.

Children of that age are simply “vulnerable”, not to mention not only physically undeveloped, but mentally undeveloped as well.
 
RobHom said:
Frankly, the age of 12 is only representative of a prepubescent child who is essentially “clueless”. While someone of that age may be past the age of being able to discern right from wrong, that does not mean that a 12 year old is capable of making decisions that will be life changing.

Children of that age are simply “vulnerable”, not to mention not only physically undeveloped, but mentally undeveloped as well.
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What is your view of the moral state of a state that establishes 12 as the age of consent?
 
the only adults who thinks 12 year olds should be able to have consensual sex are those adults who want to have sex with 12 year olds. blunt but IMO true. people with that warped thinking have no business setting law to govern the land.

countries are not immoral, people are immoral.
 
puzzleannie said:
the only adults who thinks 12 year olds should be able to have consensual sex are those adults who want to have sex with 12 year olds. blunt but IMO true. people with that warped thinking have no business setting law to govern the land.

countries are not immoral, people are immoral.
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I agree completely. 👍
 
Wasn’t the Virgin Mary supposed to be 12 or 13? After that movie the Nativity Story came out I wondered if Catholics agreed with this, and how they felt about such things in present day society. It seems like it would be a huge moral conflict in today’s society…I can’t imagine anyone wanting their 12 year old to be married or a mother.
 
A 12 year-old is a CHILD. Cildren reach the age of 12 normally in the SIXTH GRADE. In no way, shape or form is this child emotionally ready for the commitment of marriage. Most states don’t even allow you to drive until you are 16! Why are you even wondering this?
 
puzzleannie said:
the only adults who thinks 12 year olds should be able to have consensual sex are those adults who want to have sex with 12 year olds. blunt but IMO true. people with that warped thinking have no business setting law to govern the land.

countries are not immoral, people are immoral.
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Yes, I agree as well. I teach Junior High and when I see the 12 year old children in my class they are still babies as far as I am concerned. Anyone who thinks that this age is capable of consenting for sexual acts with adults is disordered and really needs counseling. In my opinion, yes that would be very immoral.

If there are countries that allow this (the OP said yes but neglected to state where) then, as you say, they are led by a bunch of immoral perverts. My 14 year old daughter is still innocent and vulnerable. What would this world be coming to if this were the case??..teachccd
 
siamesecat said:
Wasn’t the Virgin Mary supposed to be 12 or 13? After that movie the Nativity Story came out I wondered if Catholics agreed with this, and how they felt about such things in present day society. It seems like it would be a huge moral conflict in today’s society…I can’t imagine anyone wanting their 12 year old to be married or a mother.
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You cannot base today’s society on the norms of 2000 years ago. Back then families were started earlier because of various reasons. The average lifespan was much less due to illness and so the norm would be to raise a family much earlier. Today, with a more educated society and advanced medical technologies there is no need for a 12 year old to marry. We don’t stone people caught in adultery in this country as they did back then either…teachccd
 
Really? In some Muslim cultures daughters have arranged marriages really young and are married off at fifteen. The explanation is that is the only way they can be free.
 
My guess is that the OP is talking about the Vatican or some Catholic country that has the Age of Consent at 12 years old and hopes to get enough Catholics on the forum to say that it is definitely immoral, so he can inform us that our religion is immoral.

Anytime someone asks a question such as this without telling you the subject of the question, you need to be wary. It is more than likely a trap.

As far as the morality of having the age of consent at 12 years old? Society has changed, but in many cases the laws of the country/state haven’t changed. Canada’s age of consent was 12 up until 1890. In the US (varies by state), the age of consent ranged between 10-12 until the early 1900s - now it is 16-18. I think the Philippines is just now considering changing the age from 12.

From a biblical standpoint, I don’t think there is an age of consent. So from a Christian moral standpoint, be careful how you judge these things. Jewish law was 12 for girls and 13 for boys.

EDIT ADD: I need to be clear (after reading what I wrote) that I am not in favor of having the age of consent set at 12.
 
Chicago_Bears said:
What age should the age of consent be? Is 12 an appropriate age to set the age of consent? Is a country (or state) that sets the age of consent at 12 being moral?
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Depends on what a twelve-year-old’s cultural responsibilities are. If they’re given adult responsibilities, I see no harm in it. Twelve-year-olds in the western world are nowhere near able to consent (though I tend to think that most eighteen-year-olds aren’t either), though, because they’re socialized as children.
 
Adults that would act on their desire to have sex with a 12 year-old child should be locked up for the rest of their lives and have their offending organs removed so they can no longer destroy the lives of their victims. These creeps better pray to God that I never get put in charge.

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“Adults that would act on their desire to have sex with a 12 year-old child should be locked up for the rest of their lives and have their offending organs removed so they can no longer destroy the lives of their victims. These creeps better pray to God that I never get put in charge.”

While I agree with this sentiment (I have an 11-year old daughter!), I have to say I think it is largely cultural. After all, church tradition HAS taught us that Mary was probably around 13 when she had Jesus. Although WE know she was a virgin, those living around her most certainly did not but had no problem with the idea of Joseph (in his 30s or so according to tradition) having relations with her.

The fact that God chose to be born in such a situation seems to indicate that there is nothing morally absolute in our current societal views that older men being sexually attracted to very young (12-13 or so) girls is something inherently perverted. It certainly FEELS perverted to us in our current culture, but then again, we live in an age where adolescence drags out into the 30s.

Again, I am NOT saying I would be okay with a 30 yr old going after my 11yr old…but I AM saying that it is probably possible that in some cultures/societies, 12 may be/have been an acceptable age of consent. If you are out in the fields supporting a family or raising sibling babies from the age of 8 or 9 (as many children had to, when their parents were dead/infirm/etc), you probably have a whole lot more maturity by the age of 12 than most people do today at 30.

Lauren
 
RobertLGarrett said:
My guess is that the OP is talking about the Vatican or some Catholic country that has the Age of Consent at 12 years old and hopes to get enough Catholics on the forum to say that it is definitely immoral, so he can inform us that our religion is immoral.
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Why so paranoid? Just because someone asked a question doesn’t mean they are out to attack the Faith.

Interestingly, your comment made me curious, so I looked it up. The age of consent in the Vatican is, in fact, 12 years old…the youngest in Europe. :eek:
 
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