Age of the Earth and Evolution

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Christianity asks for human beings to be good observers of the world around us. Christ himself points to the world around us as evidence that can be employed in the search for Truth.
If scientific observation were at odds with faith, Christ would have cast suspicion on the world around us. He did not, rather he points to the harmony of faith and reason.

This antagonism towards mainstream science is, I’m sorry, not very Christian. It’s not only out of step with common sense scientific discovery, it’s out of step with the highest levels of Magisterial thought. And we are either docile to the Church’s thought, or we are “out on a limb”. And we all know what happens to people who sit at the end of a limb too long.
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It’s known as the religion of ‘scientism’ … spawned by atheist-activists…

Which pits their abstract man-made “god” “science” - against God/Christ…

The Catholic Church’s Pontifical Academy of Sciences -
Is about as “Science” as one can get…

Problems occur when some scientists peddle falsities as Truth.

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EndTimes said:
Problems occur when some scientists peddle falsities as Truth.
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Problems occur when some creationists peddle falsities as Truth.

The problem is not with either science or creationism, the problem is the falsities.

Mistaking a late Bronze Age religious text for a modern science textbook is an obvious error.
 
rossum said:
Problems occur when some creationists peddle falsities as Truth.
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Problems occur when some use the term ‘creationists’
which in turn have multi-definitions

In other words, unless made clearer - its use carries no weight in discussion.

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EndTimes said:
Problems occur when some use the term ‘creationists’
which in turn have multi-definitions

In other words, unless made clearer - its use carries no weight in discussion.
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If you want a clearer definition of who “some creationists” are, then I meant those young earth creationists who insist on a 6,000 year old earth, as calculated by a Protestant Bishop in 1650.

That interpretation of Genesis is wrong about the age of the universe, as shown by observations of Earth and of the Universe.
 
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Do Christians still kill witches? “You shall not allow a witch to live.” Or do you think that Christians should not change?
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Superstition
2111 Superstition is the deviation of religious feeling and of the practices this feeling imposes. It can even affect the worship we offer the true God, e.g., when one attributes an importance in some way magical to certain practices otherwise lawful or necessary. To attribute the efficacy of prayers or of sacramental signs to their mere external performance, apart from the interior dispositions that they demand, is to fall into superstition.
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2113 Idolatry not only refers to false pagan worship. It remains a constant temptation to faith. Idolatry consists in divinizing what is not God. Man commits idolatry whenever he honors and reveres a creature in place of God, whether this be gods or demons (for example, satanism), power, pleasure, race, ancestors, the state, money, etc. Jesus says, "You cannot serve God and mammon."44 Many martyrs died for not adoring "the Beast"45 refusing even to simulate such worship. Idolatry rejects the unique Lordship of God; it is therefore incompatible with communion with God.46
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Divination and magic
2115 God can reveal the future to his prophets or to other saints. Still, a sound Christian attitude consists in putting oneself confidently into the hands of Providence for whatever concerns the future, and giving up all unhealthy curiosity about it. Improvidence, however, can constitute a lack of responsibility.
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2116 All forms of divination are to be rejected: recourse to Satan or demons, conjuring up the dead or other practices falsely supposed to “unveil” the future.48 Consulting horoscopes, astrology, palm reading, interpretation of omens and lots, the phenomena of clairvoyance, and recourse to mediums all conceal a desire for power over time, history, and, in the last analysis, other human beings, as well as a wish to conciliate hidden powers. They contradict the honor, respect, and loving fear that we owe to God alone.
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** 2117 All practices of magic or sorcery, by which one attempts to tame occult powers, so as to place them at one’s service and have a supernatural power over others - even if this were for the sake of restoring their health - are gravely contrary to the virtue of religion.** These practices are even more to be condemned when accompanied by the intention of harming someone, or when they have recourse to the intervention of demons. Wearing charms is also reprehensible. Spiritism often implies divination or magical practices; the Church for her part warns the faithful against it. Recourse to so-called traditional cures does not justify either the invocation of evil powers or the exploitation of another’s credulity .
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rossum said:
If you want a clearer definition of who “some creationists” are, then I meant those young earth creationists who insist on a 6,000 year old earth, as calculated by a Protestant Bishop in 1650.
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OK…

To the best of my knowledge, Catholics are not disallowed from believing that if they choose

AND… They’re quite few in number? I’ve only ran into one - in my lifetime.

AND… re: " Problems occur when some creationists peddle falsities as Truth. "

ERGO… That’s not of any major Import re: The Q&A: How Did Man Come To Be? … Yes?
 
EndTimes said:
OK…

To the best of my knowledge, Catholics are not disallowed from believing that if they choose

AND… They’re quite few in number? I’ve only ran into one - in my lifetime.
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You will find similar beliefs in Protestant Christianity, Judaism and Islam.
AND… re: " Problems occur when some creationists peddle falsities as Truth. "

ERGO… That’s not of any major Import re: The Q&A: How Did Man Come To Be? … Yes?
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That is not the topic of this thread. We are dealing with the Age of the Earth. Archbishop Ussher’s 4004 BCE date is grossly wrong and in error. In effect those people are calling God a liar, because the evidence that God shows us in the world He made demonstrates a much older universe.
 
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rossum said:
You will find similar beliefs in Protestant Christianity, Judaism and Islam.
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But again… virtually negligible…

No… the OP is AGE + EVOLUTION…

Evolution Talk? Often … concerns MAN. ADAM

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Evolution Talk? Often … concerns MAN.
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You may wish to place MAN outside evolution and invoke God to that end. That gives no basis to take issue with scientific observations of the age of the universe, or the earth, or evolution as the process giving rise to great diversity of life on earth over time.
 
Evolution Talk? Often … concerns MAN
Rau said:
You may wish to place MAN outside evolution and invoke God to that end.
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NOTE: I never placed Man outside of the multi-definitional term - “evolution”.

Simply spouting, “Evolution is Real!” - shall ever pass muster…

From off the top of your head - from your Mind - show me the ‘science’ … ?
 
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What remains lacking . is a clear understanding … of what means when one says ‘evolution’

And then… supportive bio-related argument should follow.
 
jan10000 said:
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PickyPicky:
nobody is claiming that acceptance of Einstein’s theories on gravity is acceptance of atheism
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Nobody claims acceptance of evolution is acceptance of atheism. This notion comes not from scientists but from those who extrapolate falsehoods present in the Bible when evolution is accepted. evolution in no way says God doesn’t exist. Not even in the slightest.
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“theistic evolution” has been coined because there are loud voices claiming that acceptance of evolution theory is acceptance of atheism
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Please show me one.
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I know you haven’t been on the forum for long, Jan. If you had you would have experienced the mind numingly tedius threads running into the many hundreds of posts that some of us have unfortunately experienced where 4 or 5 regulars regularly claimed that acceptance of evolution theory did indeed imply that it was an acceptance of ‘an atheistic worldview’.

If I got a dollar for every time I posted ‘evolution does not deny God’ then I’d have enough $$ for a decent bottle of Jack Daniels. It fell on deaf ears every time.

I agree with you that it’s a term that shouldn’t be required. And when people stop claiming that evolution implies atheism then we won’t need it.
 
Freddy said:
And when people stop claiming that evolution implies atheism then we won’t need it.
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Darwin’s (not a believer) presentation of LIFE as emerging in a random materialist-only manner which required no God - is embraced by call it militant atheism…

That said… There are Atheists who reject evolution…
 
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Freddy:
And when people stop claiming that evolution implies atheism then we won’t need it.
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Darwin’s (not a believer) presentation of LIFE as emerging in a random materialist-only manner which required no God - is embraced by call it militant atheism…

That said… There are Atheists who reject evolution…
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Do you know how they believe that life came to be as it is now?
 
EndTimes said:
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Freddy:
Do you know how they believe that life came to be as it is now?
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Well…obviously not in the common Darwinism manner - if at all…
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So if someone rejects Darwinism and God, how on earth would they think we got where we are?

Maybe you could point out these evolution-denying atheists and we could check.
 
Freddy said:
So if someone rejects Darwinism and God, how on earth would they think we got where we are?
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You’re suggesting that they have only therefore Darwinism to choose?

For. it suggests that Darwinism has flaws?

Hmmmm…
 
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