Ah-men VS Ey-men

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EasterJoy said:
… this a poTAYto/poTAHto debate if I ever heard one. Say it the way that feels right, dictate one or the other be used by the choir, that makes sense, but reading any substantial theological meaning into the question would be over the top. You may as well say there is a Catholic and a Protestant way to hang toilet paper.
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Priceless! 😃
 
PhilotheaZ said:
Isn’t there?
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No. There IS a right way and a wrong way to hang toilet paper, but not a Catholic way and a Protestant way. Catholics, Protestants, and un-believers are equally prone to this particular error because the Holy Spirit allows it, as fodder for the exercise of charity between spouses. (This is the same reason that the Holy Spirit allowed the invention of the remote control. Not many people know that.)
 
EasterJoy said:
No. There IS a right way and a wrong way to hang toilet paper, but not a Catholic way and a Protestant way. Catholics, Protestants, and un-believers are equally prone to this particular error because the Holy Spirit allows it, as fodder for the exercise of charity between spouses. (This is the same reason that the Holy Spirit allowed the invention of the remote control. Not many people know that.)
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The toilet seat with lid was invented for the same reason.
 
zab said:
“Amen. Amen, I say to you…” I have never heard these passages read as “Ah-men Ah-men, I say to you…”
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“Amen, amen, dico vobis” is pronounced as AH-MEN AH-MEN DEE-KOH VOH-BEES in the EF.
 
malphono said:
But it was translated into French. It’s interesting to note that the traditional French rendering is ainsi soit-il which captures the original meaning rather well. Strange, but the post-conciliar usage in French seems to have morphed into “amen” with some few “hold-outs” keeping to the older translation.
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I guess if you had to translate it into English, it would be “so be it” or something like that. Any suggestions? Probably too late to include it in the new Mass translations, though. 🙂
 
EasterJoy said:
as fodder for the exercise of charity between spouses.
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It’s how much you use of the toilet paper and whose fault is it when you run out that presents the problem. Maybe we weren’t Catholic or Protestant in your sense, but I don’t think we even hung it up when I lived at home. And it wasn’t nice and soft either. 🙂
 
ProVobis said:
I guess if you had to translate it into English, it would be “so be it” or something like that. Any suggestions?
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That’s about it.

I’d translate ‘ainsi’ as ‘thus’ but “thus it be” does not exactly roll off the tongue.

Maybe it’s just me but ‘so be it’ always seems to have a negative connotation to it. As in “Boy are you in trouble now!!”

“I refuse to do that regardless of the consequences” “So be it.”
 
Phemie said:
That’s about it.

I’d translate ‘ainsi’ as ‘thus’ but “thus it be” does not exactly roll off the tongue.

Maybe it’s just me but ‘so be it’ always seems to have a negative connotation to it. As in “Boy are you in trouble now!!”

“I refuse to do that regardless of the consequences” “So be it.”
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Those may work. Seems as if we now say “PERIOD” or “END OF DISCUSSION” to emphasize our own arguments, AY-MEN for others.
 
EasterJoy said:
You may as well say there is a Catholic and a Protestant way to hang toilet paper.
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Maybe not, but I was taught that Catholics are MIFs (putting the milk in the cup first before the tea) and Protestants are TIFs (pour the tea, then put the milk in it).
 
malphono said:
But it was translated into French. It’s interesting to note that the traditional French rendering is ainsi soit-il which captures the original meaning rather well. Strange, but the post-conciliar usage in French seems to have morphed into “amen” with some few “hold-outs” keeping to the older translation.
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I understand this is not just “post conciliar usage” but teh official new French translation. I have always been unsatisfied with “ainsi-soit-il” which I imagine a Frenchman saying with a shrug of his shoulders and sticking out his lower lip. Amen means so much more than just “so be it”. It means (among other things) that we totally identify ourselves with what has just been said, just as if we had said it ourselves.
 
Petergee said:
Maybe not, but I was taught that Catholics are MIFs (putting the milk in the cup first before the tea) and Protestants are TIFs (pour the tea, then put the milk in it).
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What about BT Catholics like me (black tea) and MIF United Church of Canada Mother-in-law? Guess taste in tea knows no religion. 😃
 
Petergee said:
I understand this is not just “post conciliar usage” but teh official new French translation. I have always been unsatisfied with “ainsi-soit-il” which I imagine a Frenchman saying with a shrug of his shoulders and sticking out his lower lip. Amen means so much more than just “so be it”. It means (among other things) that we totally identify ourselves with what has just been said, just as if we had said it ourselves.
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“Ainsi soit-il” expressed the hope that what we had just prayed would be accomplished.

To be perfectly honest, nobody bothered to tell me what those three words meant and until today I had never spent any time thinking about it. We switched to Amen when I was about 12, long before I would have ever pondered this question.
 
Ah-men. Hard wired from my childhood eons ago as an Episcopalian 🙂

I’m surprised to see the stats on the poll here. I’d say in the Latin parishes here in No Calif very few English-as-a-first-language folks say Ah-men, most say Ey-men.
 
AH-MEN is the pronunciation in Latin.

AE-MEN is the English pronunciation.
 
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