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swariffin
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Nope, Jesus said “I and the Father, are ONE”.
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swariffin
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The Question is why your ProphetMessenger claim in 1891 that Jesus was buried in Galilee, and revised that in 1894 that Jesus was buried in Syria. Finally in 1902 claimed that Jesus was buried in Khasmir, India? Since Mirza Ghulam Ahmad came from that region, does the reason for changing his mind was for convenience? To have Jesus’ tomb close to where he was?
Since the Mainstream Islam believe that Jesus was taken alive to the Heaven, so according to Mainstream Islam, Jesus should not have any tomb. At least not yet. Since your ProphetMessenger believe that Jesus’ tomb in in Khasmir, then it is clear that your ProphetMessenger is not Islam. No wonder you based your believe on a mixture of Quran and the works of any “scientist” who want to get rich and famous but still keeping their heads, following the step of Dan Brown.
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wina
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Is there any facts to prove it? any pictures? anything ?
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paarsurrey
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Hi
You may read a small book “Jesus in Indai” of only 100+ pages:
alislam.org/library/books/jesus-in-india/index.html
Or one may access
id Jesus die on the Cross? a BBC documentaryvideo.google.com/videoplay?docid=1669658378154953060&q
Or one may visit:alislam.org/topics/jesus/
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planten
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**swariffin, the main stream muslims do not believe that Jesus has died. But they are being challenged for the last 120 years. They cannot prove the life of Jesus from the Quran and Hadith. there is not a single word in the Quran and hadith that Jesus is alive now. But there is definite news of his death in Quran and Hadith.
So that is the end of living Jesus. If Hazrat Mirza sahib said that the grave of Jesus is in Galilee it is o.k. Then he said it is in Syria, that is also right . Syria is same as Galilee. But later when he was told by Allah that Jesus had died a natural death, he was not told about the grave of Jesus.
Some one reported about the grave of a prophet in Sirinagar. Mirza sahib tried to investigate that news. He found that it could be none other than Jesus himself. There has not been any prophet in this area before Muhammad. That grave is about 2000 years old and called the grave of Nabi sahib. It is the grave of some Israeli high level person.
We know that Jesus was saved from death on the cross and he travelled from Syria to the east in search of the lost sheep of Israel. (Would you deny that, it is in bibleNT?) He found the lost sheep, lived and died amongst them. The Budhists also benefitted from the teachings of Jesus in Kashmir and Tibet.**
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cathopologist
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Galilee is not Syria and Kashmir is not Galilee or Syria.
Some one reported about the grave of a prophet in Sirinagar. Mirza sahib tried to investigate that news. He found that it could be none other than Jesus himself. There has not been any prophet in this area before Muhammad. That grave is about 2000 years old and called the grave of Nabi sahib. It is the grave of some Israeli high level person.
In other words, its mere hearsay.
planten:
The Qu’ran says Jesus travelled to Syria. Where in the NT does it say that?
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cathopologist
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paarsurrey, i have already mentioned it a hundred times - we’re not interested in Ahmadi propaganda. We want actual proof that Jesus did indeed die and was buried in Kashmir. Don’t beat around the bush as if you did not understand the OP.Hi
You may read a small book “Jesus in Indai” of only 100+ pages:
alislam.org/library/books/jesus-in-india/index.html
Or one may access
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1669658378154953060&q
Or one may visit:alislam.org/topics/jesus/
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dolphinlove
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soooooo…
after 4 pages of ‘things’
do we actually have an answer yet?
No links, no ‘must read 100 pages of books’
Just a simple sentence to tell us the answer of where Jesus is supposedly buried in India?
after 4 pages of ‘things’
do we actually have an answer yet?
No links, no ‘must read 100 pages of books’
Just a simple sentence to tell us the answer of where Jesus is supposedly buried in India?
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Eucharisted
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The best evidence you all are going to get is the same evidence you’ll get that the Shroud of Turin belongs to Jesus: the grave belonged to a powerful Jewish leader and the Qu’ran says Jesus went to India, the Shroud belonged to a crucified man and the Bible says Jesus was wrapped in sheets. It takes a leap of faith to accept what is believed on faith. Logic and science can only go so far. And you don’t have to believe Jesus was buried in India to be a good Muslim, just like you don’t have believe the Shroud of Turin belonged to Jesus to be a good Christian. Just throwing that out.
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cathopologist
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Yes, but we don’t take the Shroud of Turin and force it down people’s throats. Even then, at least the Shroud has been investigated by scientists and academics. You cannot say the same for the supposed tomb of Jesus in Srinagar. The Shroud hasn’t been used for propaganda - for the intent of making Muslims doubt their faith. Whereas the Ahmadi’s use it for the intention to ‘shake us in our boots’. Its all over the forum.
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planten
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**Cathopologist, all the proofs are given in those two books that have been mentioned. We do not carry proofs in our pockets. The material of those books is not any propaganda. They are not any Amadi or non-Ahmadi propaganda. They are all facts there with documents and photos. But you dare not go near those books for fear that you will have to face the facts. Then there is no cure for you.
But if you read those books, you will get sufficient proof that Jesus is indeed buried in Kashmir. The lost sheep of Israel were all there. Jesus went to them and lived there. But it is difficult thing for you to accept.**
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wina
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Paarsurrey, it’s your second time gave me about the book but the book doesn’t answer anything. There’s no evidence to prove where the tomb of Jesus? there’s no pictures, there’s no scientific evidence, not at all. It’s just ONLY THESIS. I just ask very simple evidence, pictures or anything facts about it.Hi
You may read a small book “Jesus in Indai” of only 100+ pages:
alislam.org/library/books/jesus-in-india/index.html
Or one may access
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1669658378154953060&q
Or one may visit:alislam.org/topics/jesus/
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paarsurrey
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The first one was written a century ago when there were no photos, although it is the basic book on the subject.
What about the other two:
Or one may accessid Jesus die on the Cross? a BBC documentary
video.google.com/videopla…378154953060&q
Or one may visit:alislam.org/topics/jesus/
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swariffin
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Do you put your faith in Quran or in those book you mentioned? Kindly quote from Quran that Jesus went to India and died there. You still have not answered of why your ProphetMessenger changed his idea twice.
I know Paarsurrey quite a long time, and I do know how peaceful the Ahmadi’s in Indonesia, and yet they are attacked by the Muslims so severely. I did look at that the website that Paar linked to me quite a long time ago. But, I don’t think it is correct. Your book has not even convinced me at the very first idea, such as how Jesus survived the crucifixion, getting cured by the follower while Jesus was inside the tomb guarded by the Roman Soldiers, and carried the surviving Jesus away, and passing those Roman guards undetected, after moving away the large stone closing the tomb of Jesus (without making any sound). Those conditions I mentioned give no logical ground for me to believe your book.
Again, it is Paar himself who said that the mainstream Islam believe that Jesus was taken into heaven alive. I believe that is correct according to Islam, since Sister Amy mentioned that. If that is true, then according to the mainstream Islam, Jesus should have no tomb/grave. It is clear that Paar mentioned that the Ahmadi believe is different than the mainstream Islam. In that case, the Ahmadi believe with respect to the mainstream Islam, is considered as heresy.
Personally, I don’t care if the Ahmadiyya is heresy or not. For what I see with my own eye, the Ahmadiyya is indeed peaceful. Moreover, I have a deep sympathy for the Ahmadiyya due to the fact that the Ahmadiyya is under pressure in Indonesia. I must admit the pressure for the Ahmadiyya is greater than the pressure that the Christians must endure in Indonesia.
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swariffin
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Do you put your faith in Quran or in that book? Where in Quran that shows that Jesus went to India and died there. It should be easy for you since Jesus time was around the 30’s AD and Quran was written in 600 AD.
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paarsurrey
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Oh dear! Have you read the book? If you read it then you would know that it has been written to interpret Quran and Bible truthfully and in sevice of them both.
I love Buddha and Krishna as I do love Jesus and Mary
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swariffin
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In the Jewish community, Jesus was never be considered as high level Individual by His own community, Planten. If the basis is 2000 years old grave, in this world there are so many 2000 years old graves. All you have to to is just calling such grave as the grave of a Prophet of God. In Indonesian remote areas, it would be easy for you to do so. Find an old grave, and give a certain offering with frankesence. Then, cover such grave with white clothing. In a day or two, you will see the people from the nearby village doing the same thing.
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swariffin
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Ah I see. According to the Ahmadiyya there is Quran, Sunnah, Hadits, and the book of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. I think I have heard the same story of a particular religion in the America, called Mormonism. How do I know that those books become the basis of your belief too unless you declare it today in your posting. You always said that you based your belief in Quran, and challenge anybody to show any Quranic verses for any claim he/she wrote. Now you tell me that you based your belief on the personal writing of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad too. What next? Will you declare that the angel of Jibril talked to Mirza as well?
Ups, sorry. I forgot that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was the Imam Mahdi, although he was mistaken twice to determine the tomb of Jesus.
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cathopologist
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Without any solid evidence, nobody is willing to take your words seriously.
They help bolster the Ahmadi myth, and they are not peer-reviewed articles (one of the pre-requisites).
My feet are like the roots of the sycamore tree, firmly planted. I have no fear whatsoever and stand before you to present me with evidence and you have done no such thing. I suggest you collect the figs of the sycamore and use them as medicine - its looks like you need it more than i do.
I have read alot of wonderful stories in my life.
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paarsurrey
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alislam.org/topics/jesus/
(Jesus’ ) Life after Crucifixion
After his survival, Jesus as travelled as far as Kashmir, India and preached to the Lost Tribes of Israel. His tomb can be found there to this day.
Lost Tribes Found: He went towards India in search of the lost tribes. more XBeyond the Euphrates
Traditional Jewish history and Biblical texts divided this Semitic people into twelve tribes. In the time of Jesus, only two of the tribes were in the region Jesus preached, whereas the whereabouts of the remaining ten has always been a bit of a mystery.
The second century historian Josephus wrote in his book Antiquities of the Jews that the ten tribes were ‘beyond Euphrates’ in his time, east of present day Iraq and in the Persian empire of the time which extended into India.
It is also notable that early Church history documents the existence of a Gospel in the Hebrew language found in India, which also confirms Israelites in India. St Jerome (c 400 A.D) wrote that the scholar Pantaenus in the second century came across the document in his travels. St Jerome further wrote that the Israelites in his time continue to live in the Persian empire.
The mission of Jesus was to reach out to the Lost Tribes (or ‘Sheep’) of Israel, as stated in Matthew 15:24. It was thus imperative for him to migrate to the east.
The mass of evidence showing that the peoples of Afghanistan, north-west India (particularly Kashmir) and neighboring areas are of Israelite ancestry continues to grow. Their physical features, language, folklore, customs and festivals attest to their Israelite heritage. Evidence also come from the names they give to their villages, their monuments and ancient historical works.
Some pilot genetic studies on peoples in India who to this day call themselves ‘Bene Israel’ or ‘Children of Israel’ confirm their middle eastern origin.
Tomb of Jesus: Recently discovered and preserved in Kashmir, India. close XThe Kashmir Tomb
The burial place of Jesus in Kashmir is known to the locals as Rauzabal, meaning the Honored Tomb.
It is known as the tomb of Yuz Asaf, which may be of Buddhist derivation (see link) or possibly from Yusu or Yehoshua (Jesus) the Gatherer.
Local tradition states that the entombed was a prophet of Ahle-Kitab, or People of the Book, and his name was Isa - the Quranic name for Jesus.
The prophet Yuz Asaf came to Kashmir from the West (Holy Land) in the reign of Raja Gopdatta (c 1st century A.D) according to the ancient official documents held by the current custodian of the tomb.
Some of the most extensive research on the tomb has been conducted by the now retired famous historian and former Head of Archaelogy for State of Kashmir, Professor Fida Hassnain.
The tomb is Jewish, as attested by the direction the grave is lying. Next to the grave is a footprint engraved in stone, an artistic rendition of the wounds of crucifixion.
alislam.org/topics/jesus/
I love Jesus and Mary
Thanks
(Jesus’ ) Life after Crucifixion
After his survival, Jesus as travelled as far as Kashmir, India and preached to the Lost Tribes of Israel. His tomb can be found there to this day.
Lost Tribes Found: He went towards India in search of the lost tribes. more XBeyond the Euphrates
Traditional Jewish history and Biblical texts divided this Semitic people into twelve tribes. In the time of Jesus, only two of the tribes were in the region Jesus preached, whereas the whereabouts of the remaining ten has always been a bit of a mystery.
The second century historian Josephus wrote in his book Antiquities of the Jews that the ten tribes were ‘beyond Euphrates’ in his time, east of present day Iraq and in the Persian empire of the time which extended into India.
It is also notable that early Church history documents the existence of a Gospel in the Hebrew language found in India, which also confirms Israelites in India. St Jerome (c 400 A.D) wrote that the scholar Pantaenus in the second century came across the document in his travels. St Jerome further wrote that the Israelites in his time continue to live in the Persian empire.
The mission of Jesus was to reach out to the Lost Tribes (or ‘Sheep’) of Israel, as stated in Matthew 15:24. It was thus imperative for him to migrate to the east.
The mass of evidence showing that the peoples of Afghanistan, north-west India (particularly Kashmir) and neighboring areas are of Israelite ancestry continues to grow. Their physical features, language, folklore, customs and festivals attest to their Israelite heritage. Evidence also come from the names they give to their villages, their monuments and ancient historical works.
Some pilot genetic studies on peoples in India who to this day call themselves ‘Bene Israel’ or ‘Children of Israel’ confirm their middle eastern origin.
Tomb of Jesus: Recently discovered and preserved in Kashmir, India. close XThe Kashmir Tomb
The burial place of Jesus in Kashmir is known to the locals as Rauzabal, meaning the Honored Tomb.
It is known as the tomb of Yuz Asaf, which may be of Buddhist derivation (see link) or possibly from Yusu or Yehoshua (Jesus) the Gatherer.
Local tradition states that the entombed was a prophet of Ahle-Kitab, or People of the Book, and his name was Isa - the Quranic name for Jesus.
The prophet Yuz Asaf came to Kashmir from the West (Holy Land) in the reign of Raja Gopdatta (c 1st century A.D) according to the ancient official documents held by the current custodian of the tomb.
Some of the most extensive research on the tomb has been conducted by the now retired famous historian and former Head of Archaelogy for State of Kashmir, Professor Fida Hassnain.
The tomb is Jewish, as attested by the direction the grave is lying. Next to the grave is a footprint engraved in stone, an artistic rendition of the wounds of crucifixion.
alislam.org/topics/jesus/
I love Jesus and Mary
Thanks
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