"Alan Dershowitz: Today is a 'very dangerous day for lawyer-client relations'" On Raid on President Trump's lawyer

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I thought the two were interchangeable. But then they’re just labels.
 
Sy_Noe said:
Alan Dershowitz needs to grow a backbone, quit his whining and quit sweating it. As he has nothing to worry about if he or his client show no reason for probable cause of a crime or fraud being committed or furthered or covered up.
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If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about. :roll_eyes:

Dershowitz is right. It is a very dangerous time for constitutional rights.
 
7_Sorrows said:
Who? Republicans like Lyndsay Grahm?
Mitch McConnel? John McCain?
Are they trying to scare him or intimidate him?
It is because of republicans like this I left the Republican Party.
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Among others like Thom Tillis of NC. And Chuck Grassley says firing Mueller would be political suicide. John Cornyn sees no problem with Mueller’s report being made public once Mueller completes his investigation and thinks removing him would be a mistake. Susan Collins says it would be an extraordinary crisis and a real problem. Joni Ernst has said it is in the president’s best interest not to have Mueller fired.

I think they are trying to send Trump a signal not to do it.
 
Sy_Noe said:
Alan Dershowitz needs to grow a backbone, quit his whining and quit sweating it. As he has nothing to worry about if he or his client show no reason for probable cause of a crime or fraud being committed or furthered or covered up.
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Isn’t he kinda like a lawyer for the mob? I mean, I think any lawyer that worked for the mob was probably constantly sweating, more from disapproval from their client than a search warrant, but clearly he should have an expectation of privacy with what used to be atty. client privilege.
 
Sy_Noe said:
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7_Sorrows:
Who? Republicans like Lyndsay Grahm?
Mitch McConnel? John McCain?
Are they trying to scare him or intimidate him?
It is because of republicans like this I left the Republican Party.
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Among others like Thom Tillis of NC. And Chuck Grassley says firing Mueller would be political suicide. John Cornyn sees no problem with Mueller’s report being made public once Mueller completes his investigation and thinks removing him would be a mistake. Susan Collins says it would be an extraordinary crisis and a real problem. Joni Ernst has said it is in the president’s best interest not to have Mueller fired.

I think they are trying to send Trump a signal not to do it.
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Why do they have to broadcast it? What are they hoping to gain by proclaiming this is what you should be asking. Why don’t they request a meeting with Trump and meet him face to face and talk to him privately? Unfortunately, there are a lot of cowards in the Republican party right now.
 
ProVobis said:
What are the legal ramifications of such labels?
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What are the philosophical ramifications of the labels is the questions. To deny the existence or value of such is silly.
Now, to be sure, there are variations within each movement depending on the individual. I consider myself a constitutional conservative. What I believe may not line up exactly with, say, Ted Cruz, but the label rather accurately describes us both.
 
Perhaps because Trump seems to pay more attention to what he sees in television than what happens in a meeting, even if he himself said it during the meeting.
 
sallybutler said:
Perhaps because Trump seems to pay more attention to what he sees in television than what happens in a meeting, even if he himself said it during the meeting.
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I am sure he pays attention to both.

I pray for him because of the strain he is
under from the responsibilities of his job as president, the Mueller investigation, the daily, weekly and monthly attacks
ridiculing and mocking him and the smears against him and his family.
I guess everyone on the left will feel triumphant if they drive him to his grave.
Frankly, I don’t understand how he holds up.
May God protect him and watch over him.
 
Hereiam said:
i dont few this as either a threat to my rights, or those of Americans that have nothing to hide.
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Tell that to Scooter Libby. The crucial witness against him recanted her testimony. Also tell that to the four men Mueller and Weissman convicted in Boston who were later found innocent. Of course, two of them had already died in prison, so their being cleared did them no good.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Tell that to Scooter Libby. The crucial witness against him recanted her testimony. Also tell that to the four men Mueller and Weissman convicted in Boston who were later found innocent. Of course, two of them had already died in prison, so their being cleared did them no good.
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Let me repeat…I don’t view this as either a threat to my rights, or those of Americans that have nothing to hide…however, my mind may change when one of my many personal lawyers mortgages his house to pay hush money to a porn star so my career aspirations are not harmed! 😎
 
Hereiam said:
Let me repeat…I don’t view this as either a threat to my rights, or those of Americans that have nothing to hide…however, my mind may change when one of my many personal lawyers mortgages his house to pay hush money to a porn star so my career aspirations are not harmed! 😎
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Of course not, anymore than one is worried about being eaten by piranhas in his bathtub. You, like me, are small fry, likely not registered on any federal officials radar.

But even being small fry is not complete protection in a police state. Or it’s certainly not permanent. Eventually they get around to you. Once the Bukharins and Trotskys are all gone, then sometimes the local tailor gets between someone’s cross-hairs.

But I do remember, some years ago, when the feds locked up a local banker for issuing a letter of credit overnight without immediately recording it on the books of the bank. The person of interest was actually the one who received the letter. But the banker had committed “bank fraud” though he almost certainly intended no fraud. The whole city of Springfield was outraged, but the banker did spend, I think it was six months in the Federal Medical Center. At least they gave him that consideration instead of sending him to Leavenworth.

Sometimes they do go after the peasants and the alleged “kulaks”, and none should forget that. After all, (and it was surely inadvertent) the sign over the gate of Solovki read “Solovki; for the workers and peasants”
 
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FOCUS, Ridge…my statements had nothing to do with slippery slopes or Scooter Libby, or Gold Fish or Piranhas in our bath tubs…my comments were in reference to Trump claiming his misfortune was a major concern for America…the execution of the warrant (not “break-in”, as Trump first characterized it) only threatened the fragile ego of Trump, who wrongly assumes the Justice Department is his personal legal staff, and the FBI is his personal police force; enraging him when they exercise their constitutional responsibilities instead of his bidding.

He may have been a big wheel in Manhattan, but as John McCain put it, “He is not King, he is President.”
 
We used to have to remind Obama he was not king. Obama has more of a sense of entitlement than Trump and Obama still does. Obama is dangerous.
 
Hereiam said:
He may have been a big wheel in Manhattan, but as John McCain put it, “He is not King, he is President.”
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More like a squeaky wheel, and a frequent cover story for the NY Post and NY Daily News.
 
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