Alien life form 'is here on Earth'

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I believe earth is the only ‘world’ wherein life resides. I see no purpose in it being created anywhere else. God could of course have done that but from reading St Thomas in Paula Haigh’s 40 Theses against E I believe scholastic philosophy dismisses it. Again I stress, that microbial life you consider possible is another word for life from inorganic matter. That is what Atheists believe. And please do not tell me God gave chemicals the ‘power’ to generate life by natural means. that is the Catholic compromise of God.s *ex nihilo *creative act.
See, if anything is possible for God, I don’t see why life created on another world would automatically have to be created by some atheistic inorganic means. I certainly respect your opinion, but I don’t see how this would undermine someone’s faith.
 
Interesting discussion. Also entering in alongside faith are morals. What do I mean by this? We all know Newton’s dirty little secret, and this seems prevalent among his kind. It is clear how sexual deviancy, crackpot Occult science and drug abuse are “in three-way love” with each other. Thus it is small surprise when you find out about Newton’s personal life and the lives of his kind. Fascinating.
 
You’d better get Casey Luskin and Bruce Chapman working on this fast, as the DI is losing Catholic adherents. If you don’t have major papers published on “IDvolution” in major journals, and sessions scheduled at scientific conferences, no one is going to take you seriously.
Truth is what I am after not adherents.

IDvolution is using the latest science and the constant understanding of Revelation by the Church. It is an explanation for what we have been told and what we observe.
 
Someone’s going to have to explain the concept of IDvolution to me. I always thought Intelligent Design already allowed for the Occult theory of Macroevolution, no? And while we’re in the field of junk science, why not borrow EGOvolution from psychanalysis to add to the crackpot mix? Or we could just cut to the chase and go diving for Atlantis. Who brought their scuba gear?
Let’s start here:

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(The Iliad was long regarded as a fictional story until Heinrich Schleimann, using his own money, began searching for the ruins of Troy. People thought he was mad until he actually discovered it, along with the ruins of Mycenae a few years later. Thanks to Schleimann, archeologists started re-evaluating many old legends and folktales believed to be fictional, only to discover that they were true. Knossos was another such city, this time discovered by Sir Arthur Evans.)
 
Interesting discussion. Also entering in alongside faith are morals. What do I mean by this? We all know Newton’s dirty little secret, and this seems prevalent among his kind. It is clear how sexual deviancy, crackpot Occult science and drug abuse are “in three-way love” with each other. Thus it is small surprise when you find out about Newton’s personal life and the lives of his kind. Fascinating.
That smacks a bit of Donatism, doesn’t it?
 
I am partial to donuts but what I was discussing was history which thanks be to God is free of all “-isms.” Secondly, I knew you’d “go there” in terms of Atlantis if I gave you an opening. It’s interesting what archaeology will fund and what it won’t fund. They’ve basically found Noah’s Ark but the archaeological community staunchly refuses to help uncover the rest of it. Fascinating. Amazing.
 
See, if anything is possible for God, I don’t see why life created on another world would automatically have to be created by some atheistic inorganic means. I certainly respect your opinion, but I don’t see how this would undermine someone’s faith.
Rolltide, there are circa 10\22 stars in the visible universe. If only one in a billion stars is the right size, and has rocky planets with the right chemistry within the “habitable zone” of its parent star, there are still 10\13 stars in the universe that might have planets capable of evolving and supporting life, and even rational life. Unless God is impotent, I suspect the universe is teeming with rational, morally aware and spiritually sensitive species praising God!

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I am partial to donuts but what I was discussing was history which thanks be to God is free of all “-isms.” Secondly, I knew you’d “go there” in terms of Atlantis if I gave you an opening. It’s interesting what archaeology will fund and what it won’t fund. They’ve basically found Noah’s Ark but the archaeological community staunchly refuses to help uncover the rest of it. Fascinating. Amazing.
There was no “ark,” unless it was a small boat used to rescue a family and their animals during a local flood…
 
That’s exactly what I’d say were I one of the archaeological community’s overpaid public relations employees, thank you for the contribution.
 
Well, I’ll leave it up to you to guess correctly by the use of logic. I hate it when people insult my intelligence so I wouldn’t dream of doing the same to others.
 
I am partial to donuts but what I was discussing was history which thanks be to God is free of all “-isms.” Secondly, I knew you’d “go there” in terms of Atlantis if I gave you an opening. It’s interesting what archaeology will fund and what it won’t fund. They’ve basically found Noah’s Ark but the archaeological community staunchly refuses to help uncover the rest of it. Fascinating. Amazing.
I was discussing history as well. In fact, it’s my job, as I’m an assistant professor of history at a small private Southern college. So, as one of the so-called “experts”, I can most assuredly tell you that “-ism” is just a suffix. It’s a convenient way of labeling groups. In fact, I’m fairly partial to “Catholicism” myself. Perhaps a dose of Eastern Catholic “mysticism” as well? What about “scholasticism”, since you seem to be partial to the great St. Thomas Aquinas? And in case you didn’t know, Donatism is a heresy where people believed that being in a state of sin negated a priest’s ability to perform sacraments. If that were true, of course, the validity of almost all sacraments would immediately become suspect. Put more generally, just because one commits sin does NOT mean that other, correct aspects of their religious faith become null and void.

As far as Atlantis, all you’ve done is deflect the question. In the mid-1800s, it was common knowledge that Troy and Mycenae were simply legends. Fifty years later, absolute proof of their existence was discovered. That does NOT mean that Atlantis actually existed, but to dismiss it out of hand is foolish. I also have no problem with believing in the existence of Noah’s Ark. National Geographic recently uncovered and heavily publicized convincing evidence of at least a major regional flood by finding Neolithic villages at the bottom of the Black Sea (and their evidence does not rule out a disaster of even larger scope, I might add). The evidence I’ve seen on Noah’s Ark, however, has not stood up well to serious scrutiny, even from the religious community.

As far as funding… two things have to happen. First, you have to find someone willing to do the research and initiate the project. Second, you have to find an organization willing to finance the research. However, religious believers tend to take things on faith. Any good researcher needs a good dose of skepticism, and that’s not really a trait you’ll find in abundance among orthodox Christians. This is why funding is biased the way it is.
 
You say you are a historian, yet to my purely historical comment about patterns of behavior and thought all you can attribute is some obscure and unrelated heresy? That sounds a lot like deflecting to me though I await with baited breath another explanation. (Um, speaking of patterns of behavior.) Would you say you were a historian or a professor of history? In other words, do you love history or do you simply parrot what you’re told people need to believe so the whole education (read brainwashing) process will go off without too much trouble (from the likes of Ben Stein for instance)? Also, are you saying that the reason they don’t excavate Noah’s Ark is because those who are interested in it have no need of proof? What does that tell you, you who have studied human actions down through the ages? The Bible is being proved literally true (far more than even the Iliad as you strangely have not mentioned) faster than secularist U.S. “scientists” (and “historians”) can keep up with, the poor things.
 
You say you are a historian, yet to my purely historical comment about patterns of behavior and thought all you can attribute is some obscure and unrelated heresy? That sounds a lot like deflecting to me though I await with baited breath another explanation. (Um, speaking of patterns of behavior.) Would you say you were a historian or a professor of history? In other words, do you love history or do you simply parrot what you’re told people need to believe so the whole education (read brainwashing) process will go off without too much trouble (from the likes of Ben Stein for instance)? Also, are you saying that the reason they don’t excavate Noah’s Ark is because those who are interested in it have no need of proof? What does that tell you, you who have studied human actions down through the ages? The Bible is being proved literally true (far more than even the Iliad as you strangely have not mentioned) faster than secularist U.S. “scientists” (and “historians”) can keep up with, the poor things.
I don’t want you to think that I’m abandoning this conversation, but I literally have to go off and teach two classes now. I will resume this discussion in the evening,…

I mentioned Donatism in response to the comments about Issac Newton’s personal life.
 
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