Aliens and UFO'S

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This is a just sample of quotes from high ranking people that seem to confirm a conspiracy…

** " We have, indeed, been contacted - even visited - by extraterrestrial beings, and the U.S. government, in collusion with the other national powers of the Earth, is determined to keep this information from the general public."
- Victor Marchetti - CIA
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"Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe the unknown flying objects are nonsense."
- Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter - 1st director CIA

"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity."
- Ben Rich, former Head of the Lockhead Skunk Works

"Information on UFOs, including sighting reports, has been and is still being officially withheld."
- Colonel Joseph J. Bryan III, founder of the CIA's psychological warfare staff, special assistance to the secretary of the Air Force, advisor to NATO

"The UFOs are no figment of the imagination."
- Lieutenant Colonel Louis Corbin Army Intelligence

"In concealing the evidence of UFO operations, the Air Force is making a serious mistake."
- Lt Colonel James McAshan USAF

"Flying saucers are real. Too many good men have seen them, that don't have hallucinations."
- Captain Eddie Richenbacker

"We frequently see unidentified objects in the sky. We are quietly investigating them."
- Lieutenent General Akira Hirano, Chief of Staff of Japan's Air Self-Defense Force

"The unidentified flying objects do exist. Their presence and intelligent displacement in the Argentine airspace has been proven. Their nature and origin is unknown and no judgement is made about them.
- Captain Engineer Omar R. Pagani, Argentine Navy
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With all due respect to Ben Rich, this is just another layer of the cover-up. The concern, in the 1950s, was UFOs were Russian. However, since no cities have been destroyed since that time, the Russian explanation is more sensible. All in the name of covert reconnaissance.

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The Catholic Church teaches that extra terrestrial life does not contradict the teachings of the Church. Somewhat of a recent statement, and made me wonder at first if they knew something to make them come out with the statement. I don’t know if you want a religion that UFOs and alien life are huge in its doctrine, check out Raelism, Scientology, Aetherius Society, Unarius Academy of Science…
I urge everyone to avoid looking into these groups. Leave them alone.

Ed
 
I urge everyone to avoid looking into these groups. Leave them alone.

Ed
Anyone with a firm grasp on their faith can research other beliefs at quack as they may be. I just see it and laugh almost. I just know of them from doing a paper on NRMs in college.
 
With all due respect to Ben Rich, this is just another layer of the cover-up. The concern, in the 1950s, was UFOs were Russian. However, since no cities have been destroyed since that time, the Russian explanation is more sensible. All in the name of covert reconnaissance.

Ed
covert recon today does sound plausible, but to what end? why would they be the only ones who have access to the type of technology commonly described in ‘ufo’ sightings, such as totally silent running, hovering in place, cloaking, etc?

If man does have this advanced technology, why does NASA not have access to use it for space travel, the US air force, the Army, etc?

It just doesnt make sense those at the top would restrict use or even knowledge of this technology to one specific group/agency, for the sole purpose of secretly spying on the public…however if this is the case, then we need to really worry, because their agenda or plan is probably going to be very bad for the general public.

Also, these theories do not explain the ‘ufo’ sightings that are very old, (pre 1900) reading the descriptions of sightings going back to the 1600s, they sound very similar to the things people are seeing in the skies today, its the same shapes, colors, behavior, etc.

Whatever they are, they have been around for a very long time.
 
covert recon today does sound plausible, but to what end? why would they be the only ones who have access to the type of technology commonly described in ‘ufo’ sightings, such as totally silent running, hovering in place, cloaking, etc?

If man does have this advanced technology, why does NASA not have access to use it for space travel, the US air force, the Army, etc?

It just doesnt make sense those at the top would restrict use or even knowledge of this technology to one specific group/agency, for the sole purpose of secretly spying on the public…however if this is the case, then we need to really worry, because their agenda or plan is probably going to be very bad for the general public.

Also, these theories do not explain the ‘ufo’ sightings that are very old, (pre 1900) reading the descriptions of sightings going back to the 1600s, they sound very similar to the things people are seeing in the skies today, its the same shapes, colors, behavior, etc.

Whatever they are, they have been around for a very long time.
The early reports can be dismissed for a lack of evidence. And sure, it makes sense to keep certain technologies secret. I know how the average UFO operates and there is sufficient evidence, including patents, that show that this is the case. We don’t need to worry about anything. The recon I’m talking about occurred around military facilities and ICBM sites, among similar. Exactly the type of recon an enemy would do to make sure where the targets are and to look for any changes.

In the 1950s, the military tried to convince Congress that there was a “bomber gap” between us and the Russians. That turned out to be not true. Later, in the 1950s/early 1960s, they said there was a “missile gap,” which also turned out to be not true. In fact, the money for some secret projects was hidden in nonmilitary funds allocations. To this day, the Pentagon has not been audited. They can’t afford to be: "Auditor to Pentagon General: “On page 320, I see a line item for ‘Lint.’ What is Lint?”

General: “On the grounds of National Security, I cannot answer your question.” The end.

Silent operation? And hovering? Not that hard to do. Spying on the public? They don’t care about the public. They only care about targets and new construction on government owned land.

Ed
 
There is no teaching. It’s in the realm of science as far as I can see. I think it’s entirely possible that alien life exists. The universe is vast and we only have just begun to scratch the surface.

The more important question is, if there are aliens, would they have souls capable of salvation. Or would they be more like animals?

Orson Scott Card goes down an interesting road in the “Ender” series where he explores the possibility of aliens converting to Catholicism and alien priests.
 
There are a substantial number of UFO investigators and researchers. I’m a UFO researcher, and all the evidence points to man-made craft designed for covert reconnaissance missions. Trained observers have seen them.

Ed
Exactly. Years ago, I remember reading reports of people seeing mysterious large, black, bat wing-like craft. The military denied all knowledge of them, and then they came out with the Stealth Bomber, which is a large, black bat-wing-like aircraft.
 
Love, him or not, Pope Francis can always be counted on for an off the cuff remark on any subject.

independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-says-he-would-baptise-aliens-9360632.html

So, while not dogma, it would appear the church has SOME teaching on the subject. We baptize them… assuming they don’t destroy us first or thier diety beats ours up…

Personally I find it ridiculous.
Why is it ridiculous?

The universe is a big place. It’s entirely possible that there are some other forms of live on other planets.
 
Washington’s experience happened with mermaids/aliens of some type that were on the beach and a young boy went up to explore them & 1 reacted to him. There’s a reason for everything.
Sadly, the event in Washington was a fake. Here is an article about the fake documentary that was on Animal Planet.
Mermaids would be cool, though. I like the aquatic ape theory, that some of our ancesters chose the sea to live in, like dolphins.

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Not necessarily. There’s no theological reason that would be the case.

I mean, at one point blacks were considered to be subhuman. We just don’t know the things that God has created in the universe.
You think there are human aliens!?

Ok. I know we shouldn’t encourage other faiths on here but have you looked into Scientology? Mormonism? L Ron Hubbard and Joseph smith would be proud!
 
I know how the average UFO operates and there is sufficient evidence, including patents, that show that this is the case.

Spying on the public? They don’t care about the public. They only care about targets and new construction on government owned land.

Ed
From everything I have read, it appears to be some type of antigravity or counter rotating magnets.

The only problem with the second part is, majority of reports place these strange crafts in residential areas or very rural areas, many also seen above and close to interstate highways, and more and more, it seems these crafts do no mind being seen, they just hover above a busy highway for all to see…?

Then there is the issue of ‘missing time’ with the witnesses, this has been going on for decades, but not in every case, this does not seem to fit with some secretive spy agency, what purpose would they have for doing this with ordinary people?

Really it seems to me there is 2 groups involved, one being the secretive spy agency like you mentioned, this would explain all the sightings around military bases and airports, and the other group I believe is probably the real deal (visitors from somewhere else).
 
From everything I have read, it appears to be some type of antigravity or counter rotating magnets.

The only problem with the second part is, majority of reports place these strange crafts in residential areas or very rural areas, many also seen above and close to interstate highways, and more and more, it seems these crafts do no mind being seen, they just hover above a busy highway for all to see…?

Then there is the issue of ‘missing time’ with the witnesses, this has been going on for decades, but not in every case, this does not seem to fit with some secretive spy agency, what purpose would they have for doing this with ordinary people?

Really it seems to me there is 2 groups involved, one being the secretive spy agency like you mentioned, this would explain all the sightings around military bases and airports, and the other group I believe is probably the real deal (visitors from somewhere else).
The UFOs were debunked in the mind of the public for years or given bad to ridiculous explanations. The missing time aspect came out during hypnosis and since there is good technique and bad technique involved, like asking leading questions, then there are other reasons for this “missing time.” The only good source of information about this strongly suggests that some people have psychological conditions that involve imaginative events or even lucid dreams, as being perceived as real. There have been cases where spy agencies have induced altered states of consciousness in individuals without their knowledge using LSD, and possibly other hallucinogens. The goal was to see to what degree a person’s mind and/or body could be manipulated.

UFO covert reconnaissance included more than spying on military installations but flying over remote or rural areas to plan flight paths for attacking bombers, and as exit flight paths for the UFOs themselves, creating confusion as to from which direction they actually started from. As the Interstate freeway system expanded in the US in the 1950s, generating maps of new construction from images was also important. People don’t know why these freeways were built well below ground level in certain areas. The purpose was so that missile-launching vehicles could use them.

As far as UFOs hovering in place for all to see, there is a report that states UFOs should be studied “for psychological warfare implications.” In other words, how would the public react to seeing a UFO just hovering there? Panic? Hysteria? Or just lots of phone calls to police stations? This had to be known in the event an attack was imminent, especially in the 1950s. The concern was UFOs could clog phone lines and act as distractions as the bombers flew in. In one report, a couple was driving down a highway at night, saw a UFO by the road, and automatically assumed it was a secret military aircraft.

Ed
 
The Catholic Church teaches that extra terrestrial life does not contradict the teachings of the Church. Somewhat of a recent statement, and made me wonder at first if they knew something to make them come out with the statement. I don’t know if you want a religion that UFOs and alien life are huge in its doctrine, check out Raelism, Scientology, Aetherius Society, Unarius Academy of Science…
Can you provide a source for this claim about Church teaching? I have never seen it.

If, by extraterrestrial life, we mean intelligent, self-aware, beings, then I tend to think it does contradict Church teaching (or at least comes very close), but that is only my opinion. If the church teaches otherwise, I will modify my thinking.
 
That’s a hypothetical to make a certain point. He doesn’t say that the existence of martians is not opposed to Church teaching. And the existence of Martians is most certainly opposed to Church teaching. It is a scientific fact that Martians do not exist. Find me a real scientist who actually believes there is intelligent life on mars. The Church teaches there can never be any conflict between faith and reason. For the Church to teach that Martians might exist would certainly provide such a conflict.

So your example does not suffice for my request.
 
That’s a hypothetical to make a certain point. He doesn’t say that the existence of martians is not opposed to Church teaching. And the existence of Martians is most certainly opposed to Church teaching. It is a scientific fact that Martians do not exist. Find me a real scientist who actually believes there is intelligent life on mars. The Church teaches there can never be any conflict between faith and reason. For the Church to teach that Martians might exist would certainly provide such a conflict.

So your example does not suffice for my request.
How would intelligent life in other places contradict anything in the bible or about God?

If they exist…the same God we worship, created them too, its really quite simple.

If you want proof of this kind of thing from someone within the CC itself, read some of the things Fr balducci , Br Cosmolango, Fr Malachi Martin, etc say about this…its extremely interesting.

If you look around you will see many scientists and other experts in the area, say it is almost a mathematical certainty that other planets out there hold life.
 
You think there are human aliens!?

Ok. I know we shouldn’t encourage other faiths on here but have you looked into Scientology? Mormonism? L Ron Hubbard and Joseph smith would be proud!
No I don’t think that. I think that it’s possible that there may exist aliens that possess an eternal soul. There’s nothing doctrinal to say that could not be the case.
 
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