Aliens & Christ - I Have to Stop Watching the History Channel

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Remember supermarket tabloids? Ya know, the latest celeb gossip and lotsa stuff on aliens and psycics? The reason you don’t see them anymore is because they have graduated to Cable TV. Who wants to learn about the Peloponnesian Wars? Aliens and Bigfoot gather in the viewers. :rolleyes:
I want to learn about the Peloponnesian War…

I guess that’s why God gave us Thucydides!

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Since all the stations on your cable and satelitte are actually owned by no more than three or four corporations, its easy to see why all the channels look alike. We might as well go back to three networks again.
These corporations will not give you information in terms of current events, history, or science. They opt instead for fluff stories with little-to-no meaning whatsoever. It is an industry that appeals to the lowest common denominator instead of attempting to inform and educate their audience. Is it a calculated agenda to dumb down the American people?
A recent study that found that viewers of Fox News (coined False News in my house) were actually less informed about current events than people who watched no news at all.
Ignorance is more persuasive than reason.
A documentary on the Peloponnesian War, the science of astronomy, or anything that makes you
think
simply doesn’t sell anymore.
A UFO under the Vatican, with Bigfoot at the controls, and the Loch Ness monster in the Pope’s bathtub are far more interesting.
Very sad. My wife and I coming very close to simply cancelling our cable TV completely.
 
… Very sad. My wife and I coming very close to simply cancelling our cable TV completely.
I did that more than ten years ago. I saved a pile of money.

Actually, a ‘media fast’ is very good for one.
 
I was watching a documentary on the History Channel some weeks back - not Ancient Aliens. Another commentator stated that, of all world religious including the three Abrahamic religions, Christianity would be the only religion to have core doctrinal problems should extraterrestrials be proven to exist. He expounded on his point further by saying that it would create problems only for Christianity because we believe that Christ died for human sin and there is no other way to heaven, but through him.
I get very annoyed by the smug assumption that Christianity would be shaken by the presence of aliens. Some of us are actually mature enough to realize that Earth is neither the geographical nor the spiritual center of the universe.
 
I have this insatiatable urge to start a parody thread on Aliens in the Vatican. 😃
It’ll give Eric something to do…😃
 
What God does with other worlds and alien creatures is His prerogative, and we really have no way of understanding the implications of alien life and its potential sinfulness. Sacred Tradition, Scripture, and the Church only address earth and humans. Everything else is rightly left in the hands of God. If aliens needed salvation, who knows how God would provide it, and through whom?

I really can’t stand those kinds of History Channel shows. It seems like anytime they feature some religious expert, he/she is out in left field theologically. I remember some Old Catholic priest talking about the existence of hell. Old Catholic priest?! Could you find a smaller sect of heretics out there? The Protestants, Jews, and Muslims they consult with also seem to be outside the bounds of orthodoxy, and they’re often professional academics, not clerics.
Yeah, they trot out the same old tired heretics.

I wish they would interview some good orthodox priests.
 
To the OP:

My suggestion is to stop watching the History Channel :). They stopped having programming about actual history years ago, which is about the same time I stopped watching. 😛
 
Cardinal Nicholas of Cusa (1401 –1464) argued over 500 years ago for the existence of alien life. This man nearly became Pope in his age. He conjectured that living beings on other planets would reflect the “elemental composition of those planets”.

Cardinal Nicholas of Cusa wrote:

"…Therefore, just as the earth is not the center of the world, so the sphere of fixed stars is not its circumference – although when we compare the earth with the sky, the former seems to be nearer to the center, and the latter nearer to the circumference. Therefore, the earth is not the center either of the eighth sphere or of any other sphere…Life, as it exists on Earth, in the form of men, animals and plants, is to be found, let us suppose, in a higher form in the solar and stellar regions. Rather than think that so many stars and parts of the heavens are uninhabited and that this earth of ours alone is peopled — and that with beings, perhaps, of an inferior type — we will suppose that in every region there are inhabitants, differing in nature by rank and all owing their origin to God, who is the centre and circumference of all stellar regions. Now, even if inhabitants of another kind should exist in the other stars, it seems inconceivable that, in the line of nature, anything more noble and perfect could be found than the intellectual nature that exists here on this earth and its region. The fact is that man has no longing for any other nature but desires only to be perfect in his own.

Were we to suppose that, for the realization of the plan of the universe, the whole region of the other inhabited stars stands in some relation of comparison, unknown to us, through the intermediary of the universal region a certain relationship springs up from both sides between the inhabitants of this earth or region and the inhabitants of other stars — in the same way as through the intermediary of the hand there exists a relation of comparison between the particular joints of the fingers and the foot, so that all be suitably adapted to the whole animal; not even then with this supposition could we find a relation of comparison between those inhabitants of the other stars, of whatever nature they be, and the natives of this world.

For since that whole region is unknown to us, its inhabitants remain wholly unknown. To go no further than this earth: animals of a given species unite to form a common home of the species and share the common characteristics of their habitat, knowing nothing of or caring nothing for strangers. Their idea of strangers, even if it reaches some kind of vocal expression, is wholly exterior and conjectural and, such as it is, conceivable only after lengthy experience. Of the inhabitants then of worlds other than our own we can know still less, having no standards by which to appraise them. It may be conjectured that in the area of the sun there exist solar beings, bright and enlightened intellectual denizens, and by nature more spiritual than such as may inhabit the moon — who are possibly lunar — whilst those on earth are more gross and material. It may be supposed that those solar intelligences are highly actualized and little in potency, while the earth denizens are much in potency and little in act, and the moon-dwellers betwixt and between.

We make these conjectures from a consideration of the fiery nature of the sun, the water and air elements in the moon and the weighty bulk of the earth. And we may make parallel surmise of other stellar areas that none of them lack inhabitants, as being each, like the world we live in, a particular area of one universe which contains as many such areas as there are uncountable stars. In these local areas (we may guess), so countless that only He who has created all things in number can enumerate them, the whole cosmos suffers a triple contraction in its downward fourfold progress…"

Nicholas Wood comments on this:

"Cusa conjectured that there was life on every other star. But he retained a basic anthropocentrism, at least as regards the terrestrial creatures.

He claimed that while the individuals of each species of living creatures differed from each other, they shared a specific nature.

Thus all dogs participated in a basic canine nature, but each one was unique in being more or less perfectly canine. However, a dog and a man differed essentially, and thus also in their degree of participation in the Divinity. Cusa extemporized a variation of the theory of the Great Chain of Being, and in a metaphysical line of reasoning placed man at the intermediate point between the sensible and intellectual natures, describing him as a microcosm enclosing all things, and as the nature with whom God would unite, and nature and the universe attain a supreme gradation…

Cusa tried to combine this view with his assertion that there were creatures on other stars, and claimed that there could not be a more perfect nature among the intellectual natures than the terrestrial one. While this is not absolutely clear from the text, it seems that he was not claiming that other
creatures in other worlds were inferior to man, but rather simply different from him; they had simply no comparative relationship with human beings.
Men were not able to comprehend the nature of extraterrestrial beings, just as here on earth members of one species could not comprehend beyond a
very rudimentary level the thought of the members of other species. All they could do was conjecture that the solar inhabitants were more brilliant, those of the moon more moonlike etc. We thus see that Cusa made a particular effort to neutralize the anti-anthropocentric potentiality of conjecturing extraterrestrial intelligent life, by retaining man’s privileged position in the Great Chain of Being…"
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Some people believe that Jesus referred to the plausability of alien life in the Gospel of John:

John 10:16 -

“…I have other sheep, too, that are not in this sheepfold. I must bring them also. They will listen to my voice, and there will be one flock with one shepherd…”

A lot of people think this refers to aliens, however in the context it is most likely speaking of the conversion of the Gentiles.

Other passages from the Bible used to support aliens are:

“And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.” … And they went out and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them and confirming the word through the accompanying signs. Amen” (Mark 16:15, 20).

“If indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister” (Colossians 1:23).

“But I say, have they not heard? Yes indeed: “Their sound has gone out to all the earth, And their words to the ends of the world”” (Romans 10:18).

The rationale I have is this:

How can the Gospel be preached to “every creature under heaven”, if animals do not have the sufficient degree of understanding to be able to receive the gospel and process it mentally?

The only conclusion one can reach then is that Jesus anticipated a time when other “creatures” also made in the Image of God, that is with sufficient mental capacity and an immortal human soul, would be able to receive the Gospel and understand it.

Historically, these passages have been understood as referring to animals, which I think is also valid. It has resulted in the beautiful Franciscan values of love for animals and addressing them as “brothers and sisters”. St Francis in this mode preached the Gospel to fish, birds and other animals such as bears.

However I consider that Jesus might have had another meaning. What would be the utility after all of preaching the Gospel to animals who cannot receive nor understand it other than out of compassion for them?

So I posit that there is something deeper to this.

Note in particular this phrase from St Paul:

“…Their sound has gone out to all the earth, And their words to the ends of the world…”

Here a clear distinction is made between the “earth”, which refers to this planet and “the ends of the world” which Paul sees as something different and which I believe refers to the universe.
 
To the OP:

My suggestion is to stop watching the History Channel :). They stopped having programming about actual history years ago, which is about the same time I stopped watching. 😛
:clapping::clapping::clapping:

I used to love the History Channel when they actually had shows about history. Even if most of them were about the Russian Revolution or World War II. But still, history.

When we had more than basic cable I would watch National Geographic. They had some really interesting programming. No idea what’s on there now.
 
Very funny that I was being bugged at work by a fellow that loves the ancient aliens show and was jabbing me about it. My coworkers know I am a man of faith, even though I don’t debate with many of them about it. I watched an episode last year and thought of it as pure entertainment. Some are totally into it. I was challenged: how did the pyramids get built without alien technologies? I have not studied ancient egyptians, and am not really interested. I was mocked for believing in a God because of no proof that he exists in his mind. I said where is your proof of aliens? Laughing I also said if there are aliens and you die, you still just die, but if there is God I live forever! I’d also like to add that if in fact that there are aliens it has no bearing on who my God is. My view of the world will not come crashing down like so many want to believe that will happen to Christians. I would be more prone to treat an alien like my Dad joked with me once. I made a reference to star wars to him and asked, if it would be cool to have a wise, old, alien like yoda around? He said maybe, but he ain’t coming in the house cause I’d keep him chained up by the shed in the back yard!! Hahaha!!!
 
History Channel is more on entertainment. I like watching it mainly for that reason. They do come out with good materials though which I am too lazy to look for myself. The old war pictures for example. I have no reason to avoid it like I have no reason to avoid Disney Channel. Do I believe everything there? No.
 
I was watching a documentary on the History Channel some weeks back - not Ancient Aliens. During this program, one talking head made the point that the Vatican has made concessions for extraterrestrial life. No problem, so far so good…
lol I do find it funny though, that they said “the Vatican”… as if it became dogma… i think it was an astronomer in the Vatican. Not ‘the Vatican’ or the Pope or the people in charge of doctrine. 🙂 but this is a common mistake that the media makes and it just comes from not fully knowing how the Vatican works and that it has many offices.
Another commentator stated that, of all world religious including the three Abrahamic religions, Christianity would be the only religion to have core doctrinal problems should extraterrestrials be proven to exist. He expounded on his point further by saying that it would create problems only for Christianity because we believe that Christ died for human sin and there is no other way to heaven, but through him.
So this gets me thinking: for this to be logical, wouldn’t extraterrestrials had to have fallen from grace as well - meaning they too are sinful? Because if they are not sinful, they therefore would not need to be redeemed.
Help me wrap my mind around this.
I think your logic is correct… I don’t think I believe in aliens except maybe some planets have plants or animals… not people or anyone capable of sinning in the first place. But in any case, - yes any aliens that may exist would only need to be personally redeemed if they are fallen. At the end of time, all the heavens and earth would be renewed, but individual souls only need redemption if they come from Adam and Eve, who fell.

God bless
 
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