All Girls Catholic HS fires Teacher for work at Planned Parenthood

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A Teacher or Student can be removed if they support actions against Catholic Doctrines in or outside of schools…

Almost every Catholic School I’ve seen has had similar type things in their student/teacher agreements. More so as, while working at or attending the school, you are representing it and it’s beliefs. While this weighs heavily on the student, it is more so on the Teacher, who is an everyday role model to the students.
She supported abortion outside of school and appears she wasn’t repentant if she was removed, so they removed her. Simple as that. Don’t see how it’s confusing…
People have been fired/removed for things that “offend” others, but this woman stepped into the situation herself by placing herself in a place that does not support her extracurricular actions… Conflict seems like a :rolleyes:

Would be interesting if she attempted a lawsuit (that best fail)
 
A bad Catholic school is far worse than a non-Catholic school. It provides just enough of the Church to innoculate the student from deep faith.
 
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beckyann2597:
I looked on the girls web site and found these past posts which may explain why she was expelled…
standupandspeakout.blogspot.com/2005/10/loretto-teacher-fired-part-2.html

standupandspeakout.blogspot.com/2005/10/loretto-update.html

Hmmmmm…
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Rebecca:

I may be dense, but I see nothing in those blogs that should merit dismissing a student from a CATHOLIC School which is subject to Ex Corde Ecclesiae.

I know that the school seems to have decided to force Katelyn Sills to go through the courts, but I wish there was some way to avoid this scandal to the Church.

Some people here have spoken highly of the Bishop of Sacramento, Bishop William K. Weigand. What do you think the result would be if he were informed that the student who informed his office about the Pro-Abortion WORK of the Teacher had been punatively expelled from a school under his jurisdiction?

What do you think he would say if he knew that his diocese would probably have to pay money damages because of this punative dismissal, which, quite probably, was done without his knowledge or permission?

Don’t you think that he would intervene to either reinstate Katelyn Sills at Loretto or to place her at another CATHOLIC School which wants PRO-LIFE Students?

If I were him, I’d be absolutely furious at finding out about this dismissal in the Bee and then being surved with a Summons to Appear as a Defendent in a Civil Case because some Adminisrator decided he/she had to get even with the family that cost him/her his/her favorite Pro-Abortion Teacher!

If we are going to do any good with this case, someone needs to contact Bishop Weigand and let him know that’s exactly what did and is happening.

In Christ, Michael
 
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Karin:
what does as the blog state having her mom banned from school or supporting the stance of a teacher at a “Catholic” school who volunteers at an abortion clinic be fired…how do these things qualify for expulsion???
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Karin:

They don’t.

I believe we’re looking at what is commonly called a “Punative Discharge/Dismissal”. She forced the cschool to deal with the ugly truth about one of their teachers, and when they wouldn’t do that, got the Bishop to do it for them.

Since they were embarrassed and made to look bad, they got even. It’s pure, simple ugly use of power.

Hopefully, someone will let the Bishop know just what it is the administration at the school did and how ugly it really is. and, Then hopefully he’ll be able to deal with it before any more damage is done.

In Christ, Michael
 
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Jeffrey:
She was teaching at a Catholic school… Catholics believe that abortion is wrong… that teacher volunteered at an abortion/murder clinic/mill. Thats why she was fired. I applaud them for doing so

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Maybe I am dense, but i don’t see why she was expelled after I read these.
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I was asking why the girl was expelled, not why the teacher was fired. Read my post correctly.
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According to one of the articles on the blog, this school is an independant Catholic school operating within the diocese but not under its control. This looks, on the surface, as as much of an attempt to thumb their noses at the Bishop, as to retailate against the girl and her family.

While the Bishop has it within his authority to intervene in matters of faith and morals (as he did with the teacher), the school could rationally say that he has no say in student disciplinary issues. I am not saying this is right, just that it would make sense. I have some experience here in Texas with an independant Catholic school who was told by the Catholic Schools superintendant to do something (administrative, not faith/morals) and they simply refused under the cover of being “independant”.

This is very sad and I hope that it gets more coverage. Hopefully another more Catholic school will step up to help the girl and with enough bad press the high school that expelled her will feel a hit in their budget. Those independant schools are very dependant on donors and donors don’t like bad press.
 
Traditional Ang:
Karin:

They don’t.

I believe we’re looking at what is commonly called a “Punative Discharge/Dismissal”. She forced the cschool to deal with the ugly truth about one of their teachers, and when they wouldn’t do that, got the Bishop to do it for them.

Since they were embarrassed and made to look bad, they got even. It’s pure, simple ugly use of power.

Hopefully, someone will let the Bishop know just what it is the administration at the school did and how ugly it really is. and, Then hopefully he’ll be able to deal with it before any more damage is done.

In Christ, Michael
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IMHO this might be a reason for the expulsion:http://standupandspeakout.blogspot.com/2005/10/loretto-teacher-fired-part-2.html
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Bishop William K. Weigand’s call to fire drama teacher Marie Bain in response to Sills’ latest protest has raised concerns in some circles that anti-abortion activists at Loretto have too much pull with the Sacramento Diocese’s top cleric. %between%](Stand Up and Speak Out: Loretto Teacher Fired: Part 2)

IMHO Liberal catholic schools are worse then no catholic school at all. Catholic schools need to teach Catholic Values and hire Catholic teachers (with a capital C). :banghead:
 
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KathleenElsie:
IMHO this might be a reason for the expulsion:http://standupandspeakout.blogspot.com/2005/10/loretto-teacher-fired-part-2.html

IMHO Liberal catholic schools are worse then no catholic school at all. Catholic schools need to teach Catholic Values and hire Catholic teachers (with a capital C). :banghead:
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Very true, they confuse the teachings that we try to instill in our children. No wonder, especially what I read here on the forum, from the young people, these poor kids don’t really know what is right and what is wrong. They are confused about birth control, premartial sex, cheating, stealing, lying and so on. The same Catholic H.S. I attended in the early 70’s we had Mass on Holy Days, Every first Friday and Special Masses for things like First day of school, before Thanksgiving, during Advent and Lent. Now fast foward to the 90’s when my son-in-law attended the same school, Very few “opinional” Masses (you did not have to attend) When I heard about this I was glad I was “to poor” to afford Catholic H.S. and they attend CCD which they were in Mass much more then the Catholic School peers.
 
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kaymart:
Very true, they confuse the teachings that we try to instill in our children. No wonder, especially what I read here on the forum, from the young people, these poor kids don’t really know what is right and what is wrong. They are confused about birth control, premartial sex, cheating, stealing, lying and so on…
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**It is not just the young people that do not knoew about the Church’s teaching on these things it is also many adults!😦 **
 
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kmktexas:
According to one of the articles on the blog, this school is an independant Catholic school operating within the diocese but not under its control. This looks, on the surface, as as much of an attempt to thumb their noses at the Bishop, as to retailate against the girl and her family.
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Then the Bishop should disallow their use of the word Catholic in any name or event and disallow use of any Church facilities or engagement with any Church religious.
 
Karin said:
**It is not just the young people that do not knoew about the Church’s teaching on these things it is also many adults!😦 **
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You are very right in this point. This young man (My SIL) is almost 30 and a father of 3.(he’s certainly not old, but not considered a "young person"or teen) I was just so shocked that Mass was not important anymore in the same Catholic H.S. I graduated from in 1974. Also the way Religion is taught. It was all “feel good fuzzy stuff” He had no real clue the Church’s stand on Artifical Birth Control, and other Church teachings, my public school, CCD educated daughter had to “fill” him in.
 
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kaymart:
You are very right in this point. This young man (My SIL) is almost 30 and a father of 3.(he’s certainly not old, but not considered a "young person"or teen) I was just so shocked that Mass was not important anymore in the same Catholic H.S. I graduated from in 1974. Also the way Religion is taught. It was all “feel good fuzzy stuff” He had no real clue the Church’s stand on Artifical Birth Control, and other Church teachings, my public school, CCD educated daughter had to “fill” him in.
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But is it not the parents that should be the FIRST teachers on these things or perhaps the teachers if the education /stance is not being taught?
 
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But is it not the parents that should be the FIRST teachers on these things or perhaps the teachers if the education /stance is not being taught?
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Of course, the parents are the first and most important teachers, the problems comes when these kids hear other confusing messages from those who are also teaching them about their Catholic Faith. (son-in-law was also raised by a Mother who has no Religion and a Christmas/Easter Catholic Father) I used him only because he attended my old H.S.-but he is really not a good example- Mainly, I was just shocked that the Mass is just no longer that important to attend while in school, in that sense it doesn’t matter if his parents are devout or if they never see the inside of a Church.
 
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kaymart:
Of course, the parents are the first and most important teachers, the problems comes when these kids hear other confusing messages from those who are also teaching them about their Catholic Faith. (son-in-law was also raised by a Mother who has no Religion and a Christmas/Easter Catholic Father) I used him only because he attended my old H.S.-but he is really not a good example- Mainly, I was just shocked that the Mass is just no longer that important to attend while in school, in that sense it doesn’t matter if his parents are devout or if they never see the inside of a Church.
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I think it depends on what school you go too…my sons elemantary school it was mandatory (and still is) attendance to First Friday Mass, All Holy Days that fell on a school day, Mass for First Day of School…etc. His High School is the same expcept non-catholics can opt out in high school from mass…but all Catholic kids MUST go!
 
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Karin:
I think it depends on what school you go too…my sons elemantary school it was mandatory (and still is) attendance to First Friday Mass, All Holy Days that fell on a school day, Mass for First Day of School…etc. His High School is the same expcept non-catholics can opt out in high school from mass…but all Catholic kids MUST go!
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👍 Sounds like very good schools. Sounds like both you and your son are very happy with it, and that’s great. I wished more Catholic Schools were like this. This paticular one (my old school) leaves a lot to be desired:whistle:
 
Traditional Ang:
Rebecca:

I may be dense, but I see nothing in those blogs that should merit dismissing a student from a CATHOLIC School which is subject to Ex Corde Ecclesiae.
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I didn’t see anything blatent, but I read between the lines and thought it looked like retaliation on the family. I stated that a little later.
Traditional Ang:
I know that the school seems to have decided to force Katelyn Sills to go through the courts, but I wish there was some way to avoid this scandal to the Church.
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I agree. It seems like a really bad idea. I think that the firing of the teacher was by the bishop and the expulsion of the student was by the principal. Not really working as a united front, are they.
Traditional Ang:
Some people here have spoken highly of the Bishop of Sacramento, Bishop William K. Weigand. What do you think the result would be if he were informed that the student who informed his office about the Pro-Abortion WORK of the Teacher had been punatively expelled from a school under his jurisdiction?
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I am sure he knows and it trying to deal with it outside of the public eye. Keep watching, I wonder if the principal will be reassigned…
Traditional Ang:
What do you think he would say if he knew that his diocese would probably have to pay money damages because of this punative dismissal, which, quite probably, was done without his knowledge or permission?
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I would think he is livid.
Traditional Ang:
Don’t you think that he would intervene to either reinstate Katelyn Sills at Loretto or to place her at another CATHOLIC School which wants PRO-LIFE Students?
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But would she really want to be their? I think she would be welcomed at the other all Girls Catholic school in town than go back to that one, with a principal that barrs her mother from coming anywhere near the school and then expels her?
Traditional Ang:
If I were him, I’d be absolutely furious at finding out about this dismissal in the Bee and then being surved with a Summons to Appear as a Defendent in a Civil Case because some Adminisrator decided he/she had to get even with the family that cost him/her his/her favorite Pro-Abortion Teacher!
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Agreed!
Traditional Ang:
If we are going to do any good with this case, someone needs to contact Bishop Weigand and let him know that’s exactly what did and is happening.
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Oh, he knows, believe me!
Traditional Ang:
In Christ, Michael
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God Bless you Micheal!
–Rebecca
 
for what’s worth, i’ll talk about my experience teaching at a catholic school. i decided to “expand” the lesson on mathematics to include natural law. i taught out of the catechism and tried to explain why the church says laws should not protect abortions or promote or endorse homosexuality and contraception. most of these kids were in 10th to 11th grade.

for the most part the guys liked it but the girls didn’t. they got pretty upset and some claimed that abortion is fine and they didn’t care what the church taught. when the head of the math dept. walked by and said i could be in big trouble i knew that the poop hit the fan.

the next day i found out that several parents called the school and were very upset that a non religious math teacher taught religion. apparently one girl had two “mommies”. anyways, i was told to never do that again and stick with math.

my point is, unfortunately, most catholic schools in this country don’t not have the courage to do what is right. they generally follow what the parents want because it’s a lot easier. they risk loosing students whose parents don’t accept or care less about the catholic faith. they send their kids to catholics schools to get a good education and not to become a disciple of Christ.
 
Good point Oat Soda. I feel I need to explain the climate in Sacramento and in Ca generally. The fact is that the public schools in Ca for the most part are awful. Catholic schools are expensive and offer a good education, so many well to do non catholic families send their children to them. In Sacramento there are a few Catholic high schools with rich non catholic kids going there for a good education (at least this was my experience growing up in the area). Loretto actually really does try to stick to Catholic Doctrine, So that is why this whole episode is confusing. I would guess there is a lot of division with in the school because of people who do not have Catholic values and the Catholic families who do. more later…
 
Catholic schools are expensive and offer a good education, so many well to do non catholic families send their children to them.
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-exactly, or they are catholic in name only. if the parents do not have faith, how can we assume the kids will have it? the parents number one concern is to get there kids in the best college possible. morality and religion is looked at as non-essential. in fact, many kids go to parochial schools to avoid the inner city public schools. it really has little to do with “catholic” and every thing to do with a good education away from poor inner city youths.

if the u.s. dioceses were to be faithful to its mission and establish a truly catholic education system these days, it would appear to the outside world to be too religious and looked at more as a seminary then a school. there is a chasm as wide as the ocean in the u.s. between faith and reason when in reality faith presupposes reason and we use reason to understand faith. this error lies at the heart of the issue.
 
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