All Girls Catholic HS fires Teacher for work at Planned Parenthood

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beckyann2597:
It seems like a retaliation expultion. I don’t get it either.
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I get it. The devil is in control of the school.
 
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miguel:
I get it. The devil is in control of the school.
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I probably wouldn’t say that. Just flawed human beings who make poor decisions. Its like that saying though… The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
 
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beckyann2597:
I probably wouldn’t say that. Just flawed human beings who make poor decisions. Its like that saying though… The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
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You’re too nice. I don’t think good intentions are involved when a pro-life student is expelled by a Catholic school for taking a stand. It sends exactly the wrong message to the rest of the kids. I’ll bet the Devil is fine with it though.
 
Sorry I misread it… take it easy.
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harinkj:
I was asking why the girl was expelled, not why the teacher was fired. Read my post correctly.
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beckyann2597:
I looked on the girls web site and found these past posts which may explain why she was expelled…
standupandspeakout.blogspot.com/2005/10/loretto-teacher-fired-part-2.html

standupandspeakout.blogspot.com/2005/10/loretto-update.html

Hmmmmm…
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This whole saga is very disturbing, especially as many of us send our children to Catholic schools to be raised as Catholics.

Even more disturbing however are some of the quotes from the Bee article about the teacher’s sacking.
Gail Erlandson, a theology teacher for 11 years at Loretto.

Sills objected to brochures listing agencies that offer help for women because they included Planned Parenthood, which supports abortion rights. The brochure was later revised.
Bishop William K. Weigand’s call to fire drama teacher Marie Bain in response to Sills’ latest protest has raised concerns in some circles that anti-abortion activists at Loretto have too much pull with the Sacramento Diocese’s top cleric.

“There are a handful of extremists in the affluent Catholic community that can make keeping the integrity of academic freedom very difficult,” said Erlandson, who retired last year in part over the brochure flap. “There is a lot of fear among teachers: How far is this going to go?”
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This woman spent 11 years teaching theology at Loretto and claims teaching the Catholic faith is contrary to the integrity of academic freedom and is pushed by a handful of extremists in the affluent Catholic community. If she has been quoted correctly then here is the evidence that Loretto was not a Catholic college and should have had its name stripped long ago or have been prosecuted under the Trades Descriptions Act.
Traditionally, the school’s mission has been to instill Catholic values while pushing students to become independent thinkers. School officials have said they take pride in presenting all sides of an issue.

“The idea is to come to the right decisions based on faith,” said Rebecca Williams, a University of California, San Diego, freshman who graduated from Loretto in the spring. “That doesn’t mean you always have to agree with the church, but you have to always consider both sides.”

Williams said she understands the bishop has certain moral obligations, but is disappointed he would “align himself with someone who takes pictures of people walking into a clinic.”

“What does that say about our church as a compassionate organization?” Williams asked.
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Does anyone notice the glaring contradiction here. right decisions based on faith but not in agreement with the Church. And this is a product of this school’s “Catholic values” in action.
An classmate who wished to remain anonymous retorted on Sill’s blog: “Many people at our school are pro-choice but do not think that abortion is the right answer. Should we with our beliefs be expelled from the school?”
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The Bishop has shown restraint, he only called for one sacking. What he should be doing is closing down the school or revoking its right to call itself Catholic.
 
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InnocentIII:
This whole saga is very disturbing, especially as many of us send our children to Catholic schools to be raised as Catholics.

The Bishop has shown restraint, he only called for one sacking. What he should be doing is closing down the school or revoking its right to call itself Catholic.
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And if he doesn’t do it, Benedict XVI just might do it for him. In Rome patience is fast fleeting with such relativistic nonsense.
*Vatican official foresees “pruning” at Catholic colleges

Nov. 02 (CWNews.com) - A Vatican official has predicted that Pope Benedict XVI (bio - news) might favor “evangelical pruning” of Catholic colleges that are not upholding the faith, the Cardinal Newman Society reports. Archbishop Michael Miller, the secretary of the Congregation for Catholic Education, told an audience at the University of Notre Dame that “the measure of an institution can be judged by its Catholic integrity.” He suggested that if a school has lost contact with its Catholic heritage, “it might be a matter of truth and justice that such an institution is no longer upheld.”

cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=40506
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Great discussion. Hope that everyone will take the time to E-mail the officials at the school. Their addresses are listed on spiritdaily.com. I sent some respectful E-mails explaining that the girl must be reinstated.

God bless,
Deacon Tony
 
And if he doesn’t do it, Benedict XVI just might do it for him. In Rome patience is fast fleeting with such relativistic nonsense.
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i wouldn’t hold your breath. it’s not his job but our bishops here to make the decision. collegiality can be very painful for orthodox catholics.
 
Now the story has made it to Dr. Ray’s show. What a mess!
 
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plato3:
Great discussion. Hope that everyone will take the time to E-mail the officials at the school. Their addresses are listed on spiritdaily.com. I sent some respectful E-mails explaining that the girl must be reinstated.

God bless,
Deacon Tony
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It is a great discussion; however, I don’t think any useful purpose will be served by a flood of emails to the school administrators.
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The article is also posted at …

lifesite.net/ldn/2005/nov/05110208.html

I also went to the Loretto High School website to take a look at it. I don’t mean to be categorizing nuns but it seems like when something crazy like this happens, it’s always with nuns who do not wear habits. There was a huge discussion on this issue on another thread but I cannot find it now.

loretto.net/development/board.aspx



This topic is also being discussed on another thread…

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=1073620#post1073620
 
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PLAL:
I also went to the Loretto High School website to take a look at it. I don’t mean to be categorizing nuns but it seems like when something crazy like this happens, it’s always with nuns who do not wear habits. There was a huge discussion on this issue on another thread but I cannot find it now.
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Let me just add to this – I do not mean to be judgemental about a group of nuns but I remember a thread discussing nuns who wear habits vs. nuns which do not wear habits. The thread started because a group of nuns donated a large sum of money to an organization which promotes Pro-Abortion Women Politicians to run for office. I do not remember the name of the organization (was it Emily’s List or something like that?). Maybe someone can help me out. Then we went to the website for the nuns who donated the funds and none of the nuns on the website were wearing habits on their heads.

Then there was a group of nuns protesting the annual March For Life in Washington DC. Once again none of the nuns in the newspaper picture were wearing habits. Hmmm??

Then another person on the thread posted an article about a group of nuns who supported lesbianism. Low & behold we went to their website and none of them wore habits. And this thread just kept going and going. I wish I could find it.

It just seems whenever nuns are doing something anti-Catholic or anti-Catholic Catechism, they always seem to be nuns without habits.

Last, I think the nuns at Loretto HS expelled the student because the nuns are covering up something bigger than this happening at the school but these are just my thoughts.
 
Catholic29 said:
Vatican official foresees “pruning” at Catholic colleges

Nov. 02 (CWNews.com) - A Vatican official has predicted that Pope Benedict XVI (bio*** - news) might favor “evangelical pruning” of Catholic colleges that are not upholding the faith, the Cardinal Newman Society reports. Archbishop Michael Miller, the secretary of the Congregation for Catholic Education, told an audience at the University of Notre Dame that “the measure of an institution can be judged by its Catholic integrity.” He suggested that if a school has lost contact with its Catholic heritage, “it might be a matter of truth and justice that such an institution is no longer upheld.”

***http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=40506
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A good start for the University of Notre Dame would be to kick DISSENTER Fr. McBrien out of the school. This would at least be a start.

ourladyswarriors.org/
 
Anna's Mom:
I thought planned parenthood was anti-abortion.
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I don’t think there is a more pro-abortion group, or a larger one, in the entire world.
 
I just posted this on the other board discussing this and so I just wanted to tell everyone that I spoke with someone I know very involved at Loretto and she is standing by Sister Helen. Here is an e-mail I got about our discussion. I trust this woman and she is extremely conservative,.

"One man even accused Sr. Helen of being a liberal, which is really funny because she’s a registered Republican and a pro-life person. Anyway, it’s all hearsay, because no one is talking about what was said or done to cause the dismissal of the student. I know Helen, though. She’s smart and fair, to a fault. But if you threaten her or threaten to disrupt this school, you are out of here, pronto! And around there, everyone is happy and cheerful again. The press is trying to make something political out of something that is not.
 
Very, very interesting.

I know something about the Sacramento Diocese as well. Two nieces and a nephew have attended ‘Catholic’ schools there. They were taught, among other things, that homosexuality is normal. They were NOT taught:
  • that Jesus Christ is God,
  • that He is also a complete, physical man,
  • and that there are absolutes in both belief and behavior.
While Bp. Wiegand is very orthodox, most of the ‘mid-level’ clergy (i.e., boomer priests - age range ~45 - 60) are not. The younger priests tend to be orthodox, as do the elderly ones. This means that most of the parish pastors are in the liberal camp, and - because they do the parochial ‘hiring / firing’ tend to choose lay people / religious who agree with them. It was this group of boomer priests in the Sacto diocese who demanded that Fr. John Corapi be banned from diocesan parishes. A nun who has worked for that diocese for 30+ years told me that she asked a group of these priests if they’d ever:
  • read anything Fr. Corapi had written;
  • listened to him (on tape or in person);
  • had ever personally met Fr. Corapi
The answer was unanimous: No - none of the priests objecting to Fr. Corapi’s presence / activities had ever heard, read or met him. Nonetheless, Bp. Wiegand acceded to their request.

Sacramento is a typical California diocese. Most pastors and DREs are adamantly heterodox, most lay Catholics clueless.

Having this issue about a ‘Catholic’ school firing a pro-deather hit the media is a Godsent opportunity. At the very least it will raise awareness in that diocese about what is and is not Catholic, and hopefully start much needed reform there.
 
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i wouldn’t hold your breath. it’s not his job but our bishops here to make the decision. collegiality can be very painful for orthodox catholics.
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Not holding my breath here, I don’t expect much from the American bishops or the USCCB in the way of defending/maintaining orthodoxy at Catholic intitutions, or letting them go if they decline it. The old “Spirit of Vatican II” guard still very much retains the reigns of power in US chanceries. But alas their power is loosening albeit very slowly, as these bishops continue to age and new more magisterial loyal blood continues to work their way up the ecclesial ladder.

And until the paradigm defintively shifts I expect our shepherds will go on fiddling, while their sheep are led astray and have their souls lost in an ocean of ambiguity at schools, colleges, univerites etc that are trusted to be Catholic.

But through it all God WILL have the victory at the end.:yup:
 
All I can say is this whole situation smells very fishy to me and has my blood flow really pumping mad! Loretto HS expells a Pro-life student for telling them her teacher is a DEATHSCORT at an ABORTUARY!!

All I can say this really makes the school at the very least look scandalist for expelling a student sticking up for Catholic Principles. As far as I am concerned, the burden of proof is on Sr. Helen Timothy and Loretto HS to come up with an excellent explanation for expelling the student.

If I do not hear more on this from Loretto HS in the next couple of days, I plan on emailing the Catholic League, American Life League, Priests For Life, Pro-Life Action League, Thomas More, ACLJ, Operation Rescue and the rest of them to turn up the pressure to fire Sr. Helen Timothy and re-organize the entire high school!

For all I care Sr. Helen Timothy can find a new job and go work for the Pro-Abortion American Girl Doll Company/Girls Inc!!
 
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kmktexas:
According to one of the articles on the blog, this school is an independant Catholic school operating within the diocese but not under its control. This looks, on the surface, as as much of an attempt to thumb their noses at the Bishop, as to retailate against the girl and her family.

While the Bishop has it within his authority to intervene in matters of faith and morals (as he did with the teacher), the school could rationally say that he has no say in student disciplinary issues. I am not saying this is right, just that it would make sense. I have some experience here in Texas with an independant Catholic school who was told by the Catholic Schools superintendant to do something (administrative, not faith/morals) and they simply refused under the cover of being “independant”.

This is very sad and I hope that it gets more coverage. Hopefully another more Catholic school will step up to help the girl and with enough bad press the high school that expelled her will feel a hit in their budget. Those independant schools are very dependant on donors and donors don’t like bad press.
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kmktexas:

If that’s true, how would we go about supplying the “Bad Press”, esp. since the media in California is so Pro-Abortion?

I think we should help do that if that’s possible, but I want to do that in the most effective way possible while reflecting well on the Church and on our Lord.

Michael
 
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kaymart:
You are very right in this point. This young man (My SIL) is almost 30 and a father of 3.(he’s certainly not old, but not considered a "young person"or teen) I was just so shocked that Mass was not important anymore in the same Catholic H.S. I graduated from in 1974. Also the way Religion is taught. It was all “feel good fuzzy stuff” He had no real clue the Church’s stand on Artifical Birth Control, and other Church teachings, my public school, CCD educated daughter had to “fill” him in.
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Kaymart:

I’ve actually found myself having to do the same thing a few times since I’ve come back to the Lord… Although I had attended masses at Catholic Churches on and off for a couple of years in the late 1970’s - early 80’s - I WAS BORN AND RAISED AN ANGLICAN. The only Catholic Catechesis I had was a few discussions with Fr. Fessio and attending classes at the St. Ignatius Institute for 2 years!

The worst case was a lifelong Catholic, who was in her 70’s, who claimed that Jesus never claimed to be God in the Bible (It simply wasn’t being taught at her parish, which had stopped saying the Creed on Sundays) and hated President Bush because of his opposition to Abortion, Embryonic Stem Cell Research and Gay Marriage!

I think that Pope John Paul II and then Pope Benedict XVIU couldn’t have come at a time for the life of the Church.

In Christ, Michael
 
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