All Girls Catholic HS fires Teacher for work at Planned Parenthood

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PLAL:
All I can say is this whole situation smells very fishy to me and has my blood flow really pumping mad! Loretto HS expells a Pro-life student for telling them her teacher is a DEATHSCORT at an ABORTUARY!!

All I can say this really makes the school at the very least look scandalist for expelling a student sticking up for Catholic Principles. As far as I am concerned, the burden of proof is on Sr. Helen Timothy and Loretto HS to come up with an excellent explanation for expelling the student.

If I do not hear more on this from Loretto HS in the next couple of days, I plan on emailing the Catholic League, American Life League, Priests For Life, Pro-Life Action League, Thomas More, ACLJ, Operation Rescue and the rest of them to turn up the pressure to fire Sr. Helen Timothy and re-organize the entire high school!

For all I care Sr. Helen Timothy can find a new job and go work for the Pro-Abortion American Girl Doll Company/Girls Inc!!
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PLAL:

Well said, and may God bless and approve your efforts!

Could you include the Diocesan Bishop on the list of people being e-mailed? I’m sure Bishop Weigand would like to know what is being done and might even want to join in the Pressure Group.

In Christ, Michael
 
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beckyann2597:
I just posted this on the other board discussing this and so I just wanted to tell everyone that I spoke with someone I know very involved at Loretto and she is standing by Sister Helen. Here is an e-mail I got about our discussion. I trust this woman and she is extremely conservative,.

"One man even accused Sr. Helen of being a liberal, which is really funny because she’s a registered Republican and a pro-life person. Anyway, it’s all hearsay, because no one is talking about what was said or done to cause the dismissal of the student. I know Helen, though. She’s smart and fair, to a fault. But if you threaten her or threaten to disrupt this school, you are out of here, pronto! And around there, everyone is happy and cheerful again. The press is trying to make something political out of something that is not.
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beckyann:

So, Is your correspondent trying to say, in a veiled way, that being forced to let a teacher go to conform to Canon Law was “Disruptive”, and so the person who caused the “Disruption” (the whisttleblowing student) had to go and “pronto”?

If that’s true, whatever happened to the Canon Law that obligated the student to report the disobedience and to cause the “disruption”?

Or, Was Sister Helen simply getting revenge on the student who had made her angry by going to the Bishop and forcing the issue and using the disuption that was cause by the teacher’s dismissal as cover for her actions?

Your correspendent says that Sister Helen is “Pro-Life”, but I see NO evidence of Pro-Life" Convictions here… Only a Punative Discharge done because the the firing of a disobient teacher ordered by the Bishop was disruptive to and resented by Sister Helen and friends.

This is even less exculpatory than the previously advanced explanations and makes Sister Helen look even meaner and pettier than before.

In Christ, Michael
 
Traditional Ang:
beckyann:

So, Is your correspondent trying to say, in a veiled way, that being forced to let a teacher go to conform to Canon Law was “Disruptive”, and so the person who caused the “Disruption” (the whisttleblowing student) had to go and “pronto”?

No. I am just saying that I trust this persons judgement and I am waiting to see more facts. From what I get from this person, Threats were made by Mrs. Sills to Sister Helen that were innappropriatte and Sister Helen felt that it was no longer acceptable to have the family at the school. Don’t get me wrong, I am still reserving judgement and it still seems very odd to me. There are two major reasons that someone would not defend themselves publicly against the expulsion…1. They were unjustly expelled and are seeking to sue the school… or 2. They DID do something wrong and they sought lawyers to protect them from saying anything else that will bury them.
If that’s true, whatever happened to the Canon Law that obligated the student to report the disobedience and to cause the “disruption”?

Or, Was Sister Helen simply getting revenge on the student who had made her angry by going to the Bishop and forcing the issue and using the disuption that was cause by the teacher’s dismissal as cover for her actions?

Maybe… The fact is there are no facts that say so. I am waiting for more facts on this and it is realy frustrating that everyone is keeping so tightlipped about this.

Your correspendent says that Sister Helen is “Pro-Life”, but I see NO evidence of Pro-Life" Convictions here… Only a Punative Discharge done because the the firing of a disobient teacher ordered by the Bishop was disruptive to and resented by Sister Helen and friends.

See, we just don’t know that. There are no real facts saying why she was expelled. That in itself is bothersome. Listen, What I am saying is a teacher who volunteers at a PP clinic is obviously against church teaching. There is nothing blatent saying that the students family did something wrong…against the ethical code of the school and catholic teaching…but nothing not saying it also. I am holding out judgment on Sister Helen. I have not ruled her out as a bad guy but I do have trust in the women who gave me her opinion on this. Might she be decieved? Of course. I just have to wait for more facts.
This is even less exculpatory than the previously advanced explanations and makes Sister Helen look even meaner and pettier than before.
Lets just wait and see how this develops before crucifying her. She might have been completely wrong but I have to just wait and see.
In Christ, Michael
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Peace Micheal
 
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miguel:
I get it. The devil is in control of the school.
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Miguel:

This is what happens when the Bishops decide that Catholic Schools are to be an “Evangelistic Outreach” and then don’t insist that the Catholic Faith be at the core of everything the schools do.

I really do believe things would go differently if Catholic Schools would start each and every weekday with MANDETORY Daily Mass, Mandetory Daily Prayers and would include one theology or religion Class each Semester that included study in topics as diverse as,

Stories of the Saints
The Bible (the entire Book - as Divinely Inspired)
The Catechism of the Catholic Church
Prayer - Including contemplative prayer
The Councils of the Church
The Creeds of the Church
The Early Church Fathers
The writings of the Doctors of the Church
The Verba Senorum
The Basics of Scholasticism
The Basics of Phenomalism

If you put that in all K-12 Schools, and require that all students learn the material, I guarantee you the “Evangelistic Outreach” part will work to convert people to Catholicism! and, That those Catholics who attend a Catholic school under that system for 12 years will know their faith even if they try to leave it.

I think that Catholic schools will do better when they remember what they’re about and get back to the core of the Catholic Faith

In Christ, Michael
 
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beckyann2597:
Peace Micheal
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Rebecca:

I don’t believe in stringing people up, but I am upset that a girl (Katelyn Sills) who very much seems to have done the right thing has been punished for it. If that happened in a Corporate setting, Sister Helen would probably liable under the appropropriate “Whistleblower” legislation, no matter what Mrs. Sills said to her.

Since your friend is saying that Mrs. Sills threatened Sister Helen, the nature of the those threats, and what occasioned them have to be at issue. It’s been said elsewhere that, after Katelyn Sills was rebuffed trying to inform Sister Helen as to the activities of the teacher who was escorting girls into the Abortuary, Mrs. Sills took the evidence confirming what Katelyn was saying to Sister Helen.

Could that discussion have become heated and either Mrs. Sills threatened to take the information public or go to the Bishop or Sister Helen felt threatened by what Mrs. Sills had done simply by confronting her with the information?

Although neither would be sufficient for dismissing Katelyn Sills,
either would be an innocent explanation for feeling threatened.

If it is other than the above, and if Sister Helen believes that Mrs. Sills physically threatened her, I’d like to hear the particulars; Otherwise, accusations of misconduct on the part of a parent of a student who was expelled after turning in a Teacher who was clearly violating the Church’s laws simply don’t look Kosher to me. I would almost wonder if your friend isn’t being used.

I would much rather have Sister Helen see that expelling Katelyn Sills the way she did was wrong, apologize for it, Have everyone involved accept the apology, and then have the Church find another school for Miss Sills to attend if there is too much rancor at Korretto for Katelyn to go back. And, Then the Sills would drop their Civil suit, and the Lawyers would “be sent empty away”. And, no, I would not want Sister Helen to lose her job once she proved she could be both obedient and humble.

We all screw up - That’s part of being human. The question is - What do we do when we’ve screwed it up and our pride has been wounded?

I understand not yielding to threats when one believes that one is right. But, What about when one is wrong?

In Christ, Michael
 
Traditional Ang:
If that happened in a Corporate setting, Sister Helen would probably liable under the appropropriate “Whistleblower” legislation, no matter what Mrs. Sills said to her.
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Virtually every whistleblower that I have known has not only been let go at a later date from their position, but very few have been able to get similar professional employment in the future. Sadly, this country simply does not have an ethic that tolerates open criticism in private industry or government. 😦
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beckyann2597:
Originally Posted by Traditional Ang
*beckyann:

So, Is your correspondent trying to say, in a veiled way, that being forced to let a teacher go to conform to Canon Law was “Disruptive”, and so the person who caused the “Disruption” (the whisttleblowing student) had to go and “pronto”?*

No. I am just saying that I trust this persons judgement and I am waiting to see more facts. From what I get from this person, Threats were made by Mrs. Sills to Sister Helen that were innappropriatte and Sister Helen felt that it was no longer acceptable to have the family at the school. There are two major reasons that someone would not defend themselves publicly against the expulsion…1. They were unjustly expelled and are seeking to sue the school… or 2. They DID do something wrong and they sought lawyers to protect them from saying anything else that will bury them.
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beckyann,
Let me simplify this for you. The 5th commandment of Catholic teaching states “Thou shall not kill”. A Catholic student and her family find out the teacher is working at an ABORTUARY as a DEATHSCORT. Anotherwards, the teacher is actively taking part in murdering innocent babies. The Catholic student & her family notify the Catholic school President, Sr. Helen Timothy. The Catholic school then EXPELLS the Catholic school student for PRACTICING HER CATHLIC FAITH!!
I don’t care what excuse the school gives for EXPELLING the student. If the student did not do anything as SEVERE as pulling a Columbine and shooting at all her classmates & teachers, murder someone or stab another student then the STUDENT SHOULD STILL BE IN THE CATHOLIC SCHOOL. IF THIS STUDENT DOES NOT BELONG IN THE SCHOOL FOR HER HIGHLY COURAGOUS ACT; THEN NONE OF THE OTHER STUDENTS DESERVE TO BELONG IN THE SCHOOL.
*If my kids went to Loretto HS, I would immediately pull them out of the school and send them somewhere else. *
*Sr. Helen Timothy MUST BE REMOVED FROM THE CATHOLIC SCHOOL and I would probably fire the entire staff in the school and start from scratch. This is the most outraguous story I have ever heard. *
 
Traditional Ang:
Miguel:

This is what happens when the Bishops decide that Catholic Schools are to be an “Evangelistic Outreach” and then don’t insist that the Catholic Faith be at the core of everything the schools do.

I really do believe things would go differently if Catholic Schools would start each and every weekday with MANDETORY Daily Mass, Mandetory Daily Prayers and would include one theology or religion Class each Semester that included study in topics as diverse as,

Stories of the Saints
The Bible (the entire Book - as Divinely Inspired)
The Catechism of the Catholic Church
Prayer - Including contemplative prayer
The Councils of the Church
The Creeds of the Church
The Early Church Fathers
The writings of the Doctors of the Church
The Verba Senorum
The Basics of Scholasticism
The Basics of Phenomalism

If you put that in all K-12 Schools, and require that all students learn the material, I guarantee you the “Evangelistic Outreach” part will work to convert people to Catholicism! and, That those Catholics who attend a Catholic school under that system for 12 years will know their faith even if they try to leave it.

I think that Catholic schools will do better when they remember what they’re about and get back to the core of the Catholic Faith

In Christ, Michael
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I firmly agree. When the catholic schools start teaching Catholic truths, then we will send our children back into those schools. Till then we will homeschool. We use CCD and read everything that the child is learning in CCD. Even some of the CCD teachers IMHO need to learn about the Catholic Faith.
 
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beckyann2597:
Read the article here.
standupandspeakout.blogspot.com/2005/10/abortion-controversy-at-loretto.html
It is a big deal because it is happening in the CA State Capital, Sacramento (very liberal). I think the teacher is going to sue the Diocese!
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This is from the Loretta High School web site. It is the school’s mission statement.

“The mission of Loretto High School is to provide an outstanding college preparatory education for young women in a supportive and challenging learning environment. Inspired by the Institute of the Blessed Virgin Mary, which owns and operates our school, our goal is to teach the Gospel message of Jesus Christ in the spirit of Mary Ward, founder of the Institute. We encourage and promote the spiritual, intellectual, emotional, aesthetic and physical well-being of each student in the context of community. Together with parents, the primary educators of their children, we strive to instill in each of our students an understanding of self, a knowledge of service, and a commitment to the common good of the world.”

Nothing in this “mission” statement about building and/or enhancing the student’s Catholic faith. Catholic Schools in the 21st Century are basically safe havens for the children of rich and upper middle class Catholics so that their children can avoid the chaos that is our public schools. You see by this statement that the truth of the Catholic Faith really has no place it is all about “the common good of the world.”

This event that took place at school that doesn’t even appear to be “Catholic” in name only. The bishop can act. If he does not this child’s mother should protest in front of the school.
 
Traditional Ang:
Rebecca:

I don’t believe in stringing people up, but I am upset that a girl (Katelyn Sills) who very much seems to have done the right thing has been punished for it. If that happened in a Corporate setting, Sister Helen would probably liable under the appropropriate “Whistleblower” legislation, no matter what Mrs. Sills said to her.

Since your friend is saying that Mrs. Sills threatened Sister Helen, the nature of the those threats, and what occasioned them have to be at issue. It’s been said elsewhere that, after Katelyn Sills was rebuffed trying to inform Sister Helen as to the activities of the teacher who was escorting girls into the Abortuary, Mrs. Sills took the evidence confirming what Katelyn was saying to Sister Helen.

Could that discussion have become heated and either Mrs. Sills threatened to take the information public or go to the Bishop or Sister Helen felt threatened by what Mrs. Sills had done simply by confronting her with the information?

Although neither would be sufficient for dismissing Katelyn Sills,
either would be an innocent explanation for feeling threatened.

If it is other than the above, and if Sister Helen believes that Mrs. Sills physically threatened her, I’d like to hear the particulars; Otherwise, accusations of misconduct on the part of a parent of a student who was expelled after turning in a Teacher who was clearly violating the Church’s laws simply don’t look Kosher to me. I would almost wonder if your friend isn’t being used.

I would much rather have Sister Helen see that expelling Katelyn Sills the way she did was wrong, apologize for it, Have everyone involved accept the apology, and then have the Church find another school for Miss Sills to attend if there is too much rancor at Korretto for Katelyn to go back. And, Then the Sills would drop their Civil suit, and the Lawyers would “be sent empty away”. And, no, I would not want Sister Helen to lose her job once she proved she could be both obedient and humble.

We all screw up - That’s part of being human. The question is - What do we do when we’ve screwed it up and our pride has been wounded?

I understand not yielding to threats when one believes that one is right. But, What about when one is wrong?

In Christ, Michael
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Michael

It sounds like the Mom & daughter were probably a thorn in the side of Sr Helen and this was a good excuse to get rid of these people.

Catholic schools are no longer there to teach the faith they are simply a base of revenue for the Diocease. They appeal to people who want their little darlings to go to a private school but do not want to pay private school rates. How much does it cost us as parishoners to support these institutions who do not espouse catholic beliefs and traditions?

Mare
 
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maregough:
How much does it cost us as parishoners to support these institutions who do not espouse catholic beliefs and traditions?

Mare
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I don’t think parishoners will put up the money. Everyone thinks we can do everything without paying.
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beckyann,
Let me simplify this for you. The 5th commandment of Catholic teaching states “Thou shall not kill”. A Catholic student and her family find out the teacher is working at an ABORTUARY as a DEATHSCORT. Anotherwards, the teacher is actively taking part in murdering innocent babies. The Catholic student & her family notify the Catholic school President, Sr. Helen Timothy. The Catholic school then EXPELLS the Catholic school student for PRACTICING HER CATHLIC FAITH!!
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Thats just the thing…We DON"T know all the particulars about why this girl expelled. We can assume anything but the truth is we don’t know and I won’t say what is what until I know what! Please read my earlier posts. You are confusing me for a Kindergardener who needs things simplified to understand them. I am not and so I would appreciate it if you would not talk down to me. FYI, I agree that the teacher was rightly fired and it seems very odd that the student was expelled, but I am waiting for more of the story to come out.
 
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beckyann2597:
Thats just the thing…We DON"T know all the particulars about why this girl expelled. We can assume anything but the truth is we don’t know and I won’t say what is what until I know what!
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:amen:

You have put it very well. Thanks.
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harinkj:
Virtually every whistleblower that I have known has not only been let go at a later date from their position, but very few have been able to get similar professional employment in the future. Sadly, this country simply does not have an ethic that tolerates open criticism in private industry or government. 😦
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Kathie:

The Church is supposed to be better than that… We supposedly live by a higher standard, which is God’s Law and the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

The question isn’t whether Sister Helen lived by some standard of corporate law. The question is, is she acting in accordance to the Gospel? or, Is she bringing scandal on the Church and on our Lord?

I’m esp. upset by what appears to be the tactic of covering up the wrong of expelling the student who acted in accordance with the Canons of the Church in reporting what the teacher had done and then proving it when challenged (Photos) by then falsely accusing her mother of making an unspecified threat and then having others spread the accusation.

This can be proven wrong if Sister Helen and her colleagues provide details and evidence supporting the allegations. At which point, I would be happy to apologize for what I’ve said on this.

In Christ, Michael
 
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maregough:
Michael

It sounds like the Mom & daughter were probably a thorn in the side of Sr Helen and this was a good excuse to get rid of these people.

Catholic schools are no longer there to teach the faith they are simply a base of revenue for the Diocease. They appeal to people who want their little darlings to go to a private school but do not want to pay private school rates. How much does it cost us as parishoners to support these institutions who do not espouse catholic beliefs and traditions?

Mare
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Mare:

God usually sends us those “Thorns in the side” in order to work something out in us. They’re usually opportunities for spiritual growth, because they so highlight our “buttons” or weak spots. The problem is recognizing the opportunity for growth God’s giving us and that He’s the One behind it.

I don’t know how much the Catholic School System costs parishioners.

In Christ, Michael
 
Wonderful! 😃 No Catholic should have anything to do with “Planned Murderhood”! :nope:
 
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PLAL:
Let me simplify this for you. The 5th commandment of Catholic teaching states “Thou shall not kill”. A Catholic student and her family find out the teacher is working at an ABORTUARY as a DEATHSCORT. Anotherwards, the teacher is actively taking part in murdering innocent babies. The Catholic student & her family notify the Catholic school President, Sr. Helen Timothy. The Catholic school then EXPELLS the Catholic school student for PRACTICING HER CATHLIC FAITH!!
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This doesn’t seem right to expel someone from a Catholic school for practicing the Catholic faith? It does seem difficult to beleive and outrageous if it were true. Generally, I would be opposed to expelling students from a Catholic school for the only reason that they are practicing the Catholic religion. The only conclusion that I can think of is that those who are in charge of the expulsion had lost the Catholic faith, at least partially, and do not want students to practice their Catholic religion. If this is so, why should Catholic parents waste their money and send their children to Catholic schools, when they are going to be expelled for practicing the Catholic religion?
 
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stanley123:
…why should Catholic parents waste their money and send their children to Catholic schools, when they are going to be expelled for practicing the Catholic religion?
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The lunatics have taken over the asylum. People need to understand this.
 
Have we ACTUALLY heard why this girl was expelled? If not than how do we know that the school did not have cause??
 
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