All have sinned.. including Mary.

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believers said:
Anyway… Mary was blessed but she can’t save you. She can’t do anything for you. It’s all about Jesus. He died for you.
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I’ve never ment anyone who belived Mary could save them. It is all about Jesus, everything she does, is done through him. She can pray for us;)
 
believers said:
The Vatican wants you to believe that sin is just a stain and that this stain can be washed away with water. That’s not what we read in the Bible. The sin we received from Adam is judgment of condemnation. That means we all go to hell by default unless we are born-again spiritually.

Rom 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one [judgment came] upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one [the free gift came] upon all men unto justification of life.

Therefore… ALL have sinned including Mary.

Luk 1:46
And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,

Luk 1:47
And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
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A man get caught before falling to a pond, and another man felt to the pond. Both were saved.

God saved Mary just like the first man who got saved before falling to the pond … God saved Mary before sins could touch Her soul. With God, any thing is possible.
 
Rolltide said:
Well, translation can indeed be a tricky issue. BOTH wordings are technically correct in English, but neither really captures the original meaning of the Greek. The following is from the Ignatius Catholic Study Bible: The Gospel of Luke by Scott Hahn and Curtis Mitch:

**Full of grace: ** This is the only biblical instance where an angel addresses someone by a title instead of a personal name. Two considerations help to clarify its meaning. (1) The expression full of grace is rooted in Catholic tradition and traced to St. Jerome’s translation of this verse in the Latin Vulgate. Although fundamentally accurate, it lacks some of the depth of the Greek original. Luke could have described her with the words full of grace (Gk. pleres charitos) as he did of Stephen in Acts 6:8, yet here he uses a different expression (Gk. kecharitomene) that is even more revealing than the traditional rendering. It indicates that God has already “graced” Mary previous to this point, making her a vessel who “has been” and “is now” filled with divine life. (2) Alternate translations like “favored one” or “highly favored” are possible but inadequate. Because of the unparalleled role that Mary accepts at this turning point in salvation history, the best translation is the most exalted one. For God endowed Mary with an abundance of grace to prepare her for the vocation of divine motherhood and to make her a sterling example of Christian holiness (CCC 490-93, 722).
  • Gabriel’s declaration points in the direction of Mary’s Immaculate Conception. According to Pope Pius IX’s 1854 definition Ineffabilis Deus, Luke’s Annunciation narrative is an important indicator of Mary’s lifelong holiness. God is her “Savior” (1:47) in the most perfect way possible: he sanctified Mary in the first instance of her conception and preserved her entirely from sin and even from the inclination toward sin that we experience.
You may also want to examine the Catholic idea of Mary as the New Ark of the Covenant. Just as the original Ark contained the word of God under the Old Covenant, so Mary physically contained the literal Word, Jesus Christ, within her. As such, she was specially blessed.
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Mary the new ark of the covenant? That’s not what Mary said we would call her. She said generations would call her “blessed” not “the new ark of the covenant”.

Like the Bible says…
Jhn 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

What is with Mary when you should be giving all the praise, honor, and glory to Jesus. He is the one that created you, and He is the one that died for you.
 
believers said:
What is with Mary when you should be giving all the praise, honor, and glory to Jesus. He is the one that created you, and He is the one that died for you.
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Mary is the Mother of God. 😉 Now, don’t go into God created Mary. It is right so, but He called Her Mother. She is my Mother and yours.
 
Full of Grace, she was indeed. Both in the predetermined counsel of the almighty and the outworking thereof. She was filled with Him who is the fullness of the godhead bodily. That is the grace she is full of. Not her own, but His – indeed Him.

She was not sinless, anymore than anyone else saved by grace is sinless. Her sinlessness, like ours is imputed and imparted righteousness that is the merit and property of Jesus Christ the Righteous, and none other.Mary sinned. Somewhere somehow in her life she failed. But thanks be to God she knew she had an advocate with the Father.
 
water said:
A man get caught before falling to a pond, and another man felt to the pond. Both were saved.

God saved Mary just like the first man who got saved before falling to the pond … God saved Mary before sins could touch Her soul. With God, any thing is possible.
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How about this one…

All were doomed to hell because of Adam. Jesus came and made the way. Those that believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ are saved. Those that don’t, perish.
 
believers said:
How about this one…

All were doomed to hell because of Adam. Jesus came and made the way. Those that believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ are saved. Those that don’t, perish.
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Before Mary was born, God knew Her. She saved Her before any sins could touch Her.
 
believers said:
Mary the new ark of the covenant? That’s not what Mary said we would call her. She said generations would call her “blessed” not “the new ark of the covenant”.
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Putting aside the “New Ark of the Covenant” argument for a minute (which is not even mandatory for Catholics to believe, but makes sense), the point is that the Greek word kecharitomene indicates an action that happened in the past, is now continuing, and continues into the future. There is no completely accurate English translation of that Greek expression. The fact that it indicates past action means that the grace predated the appearance of Gabriel.
believers said:
Like the Bible says…
Jhn 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

What is with Mary when you should be giving all the praise, honor, and glory to Jesus. He is the one that created you, and He is the one that died for you.
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We DO give ALL of the praise, honor, and glory to Jesus. In fact, we ask everyone, living and dead, to do the same, including Mary.
 
water said:
Mary is the Mother of God. 😉 Now, don’t go into God created Mary. It is right so, but He called Her Mother. She is my Mother and yours.
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God CREATED Mary. She is a creature. A vessel used by God because she was highly favored.
 
Rolltide said:
Putting aside the “New Ark of the Covenant” argument for a minute (which is not even mandatory for Catholics to believe, but makes sense), the point is that the Greek word kecharitomene indicates an action that happened in the past, is now continuing, and continues into the future. There is no completely accurate English translation of that Greek expression. The fact that it indicates past action means that the grace predated the appearance of Gabriel.

We DO give ALL of the praise, honor, and glory to Jesus. In fact, we ask everyone, living and dead, to do the same, including Mary.
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Was Mary good?
 
Goth_Catholic said:
No she didn’t. Why is it so important to you to belive she had to have sinned? Is it not fitting that the womb that bore Jesus be free from blemish?
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I answered that (in part at least) in other portions of my reply you quoted.

The womb of Mary was simply a biological place for the production of the body Jesus took on himself. As such it was amoral. Her being born in sin and guilty personally of sin has no affect or effect on the function of her womb in the conception and birth of Christ. It is the fact that God is His Father that makes Christ’s conception without blemish or the stain of Adam’s transgression.
 
believers said:
God CREATED Mary. She is a creature. A vessel used by God because she was highly favored.
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and God, who is Her Creator, shows you His great humility, by calling His Creature “Mother”. Why can’t you learn this humility from the One you follow?

Do you call yourself Jesus’ disciple? show His humility in you please.
 
believers said:
Nope… I read it correctly. The Word of God says…

ALL HAVE SINNED. Now, if you want to say All have sinned except Mary… then that’s your choice. I choose to believe an all-knowing all-powerful creator who makes NO mistakes and is incapable of lying.
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“I swear every comedy movie that comes out today is immature and unfunny”

If a man said that does that mean literally mean every single comedy movie? Does that statement mean that he has have seen every single comedy movie that comes out today and have deemed all of them to be immature and unfunny? No!
Does that make me a liar? Again, no! It means I’d be using something called hyperbole. Intentionally overstating as a means of effect.

Paul was clearly using hyperbole since Protestants and Catholics will agree on one person who had never sinned, Jesus Christ. Notice how Paul did not say “Everyone except Jesus” which would give the connotation that he’s being specific. Instead, by making a blanket statement without specifying any exceptions (such as Jesus), Paul was using hyperbole.
Mary the new ark of the covenant? That’s not what Mary said we would call her. She said generations would call her “blessed” not “the new ark of the covenant”.
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Like the Bible says…
Jhn 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
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What is with Mary when you should be giving all the praise, honor, and glory to Jesus. He is the one that created you, and He is the one that died for you.
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If you wanna be literal, the Bible says “makarios” which is the Greek word for “blessed”

An ark is something that carries something. Your mother was your ark because she carried you in the womb.
The Ark of the Covenant carried God’s Covenant with the Hebrew people.
Mary carried the New Covenant, the Lord Jesus Christ.
Ergo, Mary is the new Ark of the Covenant.
 
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