"All In The Family" remake

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Did anyone else see this on ABC tonight?


https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/new...m-the-all-in-the-family-theme-song/vi-AABLOVl

Woody Harrelson and Marisa Tomei as Archie and Edith Bunker. Incredible!

I don’t watch much television, so I am going to have to educate myself on how to do streaming on-demand. I missed the first 15 minutes.
 
I missed the “All in the Family” part. I saw “the Jeffersons” part. Jamie Foxx was incredible as George. And I really enjoyed that Marla Gibbs was able to make a cameo.

On the other hand, I didn’t think Will Farrel was very convincing as Mr. Willis.
 
I watched all of it and wondered what the point was. It seemed like Marisa Tomei was a charicature of Jean Stapelton’s Edith. I honestly found her annoying, although I usually really like her as an actress. Woody Harrelson did not seem to mimic Carroll O’Connor as much, and often did his own take on the part. Same for Jamie Foxx as George Jefferson, yes, he mimicked well, but what was the point?

It would be like seeing any classic film remade, and instead of the next actor playing the role their own way, they mimic the original character. I would not be interested in seeing an actor in “A Streetcar named Desire” playing Stanley while mimicking Marlon Brando.

Now, if they had written a totally new script, or updated an old one to reflect today’s issues or ways of speaking, the mimicking may have worked better.

I would much rather watch the original shows.
I will go stifle myself now. 😉
 
I liked it mostly.

I thought it was an homage to the original. I’m not sure Woody Harrelson was as convincing as Archie as Carrol O’Connor was.

I was really happy to see Marla Gibbs.

It might be anathema to say, I’d enjoy a remake of an I love Lucy episode. And the Golden Girls.
 
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If you have cable, you might have ABC on demand. It might be there.

If you’ve got a device, it’s already available on the ABC app.
 
Re-makes are rarely as good as the originals.
I give the folks who try a thumbs up for their effort.
 
I watched all of it and wondered what the point was.
I think the point was to honor–actually, glorify and even canonize–Norman Lear. :roll_eyes:

Yes, he did some groundbreaking TV. I loved The Jeffersons (original) and recognized its contributions to ending discrimination in the U.S.

I also know that Sherman Hemsley was a Christian man who later, in the 1980s, produced an amazing show called “Amen” that literally preached the Gospel every week, and featured a real ordained pastor as the lead character.

But I also recognize that Norman Lear’s programs were the beginning of the end of “wholesome” family-friendly TV, where a Mom and a Dad were happily married and raising lively but obedient children, and all were glad to be Americans and no one swore or had sex outside of marriage (which is the norm now on almost all TV shows) or campaigned for legalizing evil acts.

And Norman Lear’s programs often proclaimed evil to be “good” and misled many Americans into relativism; e.g., the abortion episode of “Maude.” Maude also glorified the idea of the “spineless, impotent” husband and the strong but oppressed wife being held back from accomplishing her real ambitions. A lot of us drank that KoolAid, too. Nothing wrong with a woman having dreams, goals, and ambitions, but when men are denigrated in the process, and marriage is lowered on the list of priorities, the family suffers, and the entire fabric of society is weakened and eventually rips.

It’s interesting that the “retro” TV channels are so popular nowadays, and many people are watching George and Gracie instead of “New Amsterdam.”

IMO, the remakes of the Lear shows were simply imitations done by “impressionists” who impersonated the characters in the original shows. The remakes didn’t have the impact that they had back then because the society that existed back then doesn’t exist now.

The whole context of societal discrimination supported by existing laws, Women’s Lib, the aftermath of the VietNam war, the “Cold War” and worldwide communism, Watergate, Patty Hearst kidnapping, the Charles Manson murder spree, the popularity of the occult and Satanism , the Jesus People and their Christian rock music, and for Catholics, the implementation of Vatican II–so many differences from today.

Times are always different–times were different in the 1970s than they were in the 1950s, and so on, back to the beginning of time. And times are very different today, with abortion on demand considered a “right,” gay “marriage” and all the other gender-bending issues, massive student loans (back then, we could still work our way through college with a job at a local fast food restaurant!), and above all else, the ability to be connect 24/7 to the entire world through the internet–it’s all so different, and the Norman Lear shows seem “quaint.” They do serve to show us how we got here, but not the remakes–they just showed us how actors can mimic other actors, and how make-up artists can make any actor look like any character.
 
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I’m not sure if Norman Lear was fighting against conservatives or racists.

In those days, casual racism was more along age lines than political party lines. I still see it with my elderly patients, and they’re both Democrat and Republican.
 
I’m not sure if Norman Lear was fighting against conservatives or racists.

In those days, casual racism was more along age lines than political party lines. I still see it with my elderly patients, and they’re both Democrat and Republican.
Norman Lear fought against “the Establishment.” Anything that was “established” was fair game for his shows.

I agree with you about “racism” and age.

What I find very discouraging is that we have definitely made progress–many of us who were children in the 1960s and 1970s are not aware of any negative attitudes in us towards people who are not like us–but we are still accused of racism by various anti-racism groups due to “white privilege,” which we who are white don’t understand at all.

Many of us are struggling to survive, and yet, somehow, we are more privileged? Explain, please!

I see just the opposite in society–pick up any women’s magazine, and you’ll see more models of color, including women wearing a hijab!, than white models! And the current “Top Model” is a beautiful, very black woman from Nigeria! So much for Cheryl Tiegs and her “blonde” beauty!

I don’t get it. I just try to be nice and fair to everyone, like Norman Lear taught us!
 
I see just the opposite in society–pick up any women’s magazine, and you’ll see more models of color, including women wearing a hijab!, than white models!
And Miss America, Miss Teen USA and Miss USA are all black. Most people in commercials and other advertising are non white, mostly mixed race.
 
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I like this development.
When I was a kid, the highest pinnacle of beauty was white/blond/blue eyed. Yeah, there were women who were the “pretty black girl” or the “pretty Chinese” girl, but the implication was that they were pretty despite their race, as opposed to just being a pretty girl.
 
Good Times was a Norman Lear spin-off of Maude.

It was very important to both Esther Rolle and John Amos to show an African-American family with married parents and a strong father.

Norman Lear wasn’t the nicest to his actors. He fired John Amos, and Esther Rolle left for a while because of that firing. He almost fired Carroll O’Connor as well. There are 2 episodes where Carroll O’Connor is away at a convention. Norman Lear was contemplating killing off Archie. That would have ended the show.

Carroll O’Connor played Archie perfectly. Archie was a flawed bigot, but we never got that he was evil, just ignorant and limited.

One of my favorite episodes is when Archie and Mike get locked in a storage room, and Archie reveals he had been abused as a child. Mike finally gets his father in law.

All in the Family is one show that I’ll watch if it’s on.
 
I like it too. I hope it has an effect on men of color. Many of them seem to buy into the notion of white women being more beautiful and thus pursue white women over women of their race. It seems not to be having an effect. I see with each passing year more and more white women with non white men.
 
I don’t know what the stats are , but one of my black friends from college married her white beau last year .
 
I watched a little of it (maybe 30 seconds) before I had to change the channel to something else. I was weirded out by the casting especially Marisa Tomei as Edith Bunker, that just doesn’t seem right to me (not that Woody Harrelson as Archie is any better). I can’t imagine why anybody would want to watch this.
 
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I thought she did a good job. She played Edith a little old though. She stooped a lot for some reason.

Both Archie and Edith were under 50. They each had a 50th birthday episode,

Carroll O’Connor was 48 the first season of the show. 😳
 
Like kitchen matches, some TV concepts only work once.
I see just the opposite in society–pick up any women’s magazine, and you’ll see more models of color, including women wearing a hijab!, than white models! And the current “Top Model” is a beautiful, very black woman from Nigeria! So much for Cheryl Tiegs and her “blonde” beauty!
The media’s obsession with race, including its hatred of whites, is truly bizarre. But it’s amusing to watch Mexican soap operas. There are more blondes on that than there are on the streets of Stockholm. (mild exaggeration, but only mild) Racism against whites is not universal.
 
It was very important to both Esther Rolle and John Amos to show an African-American family with married parents and a strong father.

Norman Lear wasn’t the nicest to his actors. He fired John Amos, and Esther Rolle left for a while because of that firing.
The seasons when John Amos was on the show were definitely the best. IMO, he was one of TV’s greatest dads. When the show started to focus on JJ and “dyn-o-mite” it turned into a completely different show. I believe that’s something that both John Amos and Esther Rolle were upset about.
 
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