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Seeker2010
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Well, I don’t know if what you say is true, but if so that’s a good thing. While adults are emotionally capable of having a healthy relationship with their own sexuality, most teens are not. As for the article, it was interesting, but written with an agenda.
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Graubo3
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Thank you. So much information to digest at this moment. I will get to it after I recover from the Great Swine Flu Pandemic of '09-'10 touted by the CDC
. Have a nice weekend
.Peace, Graubo
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St_Francis
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What? A healthy relationship with one’s sexuality? Who has relationships with aspects of themselves?
And it used to be that most teens married–were they too young for that, or just for swinging?
As are most articles with which one disagrees… I thought that despite all the parts that were her point of view, the parts describing research, written by secular researchers, which backed up her opinion was at least thought-provoking. Kind of like when that study came out showing that the Pope was right when he said that condoms were not the solution to the AIDS problem in Africa…
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Seeker2010
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Um, we all do, though ‘relationship’ may not be the best choice of words. Point is adults are emotionally mature enough to handle having an active sex life, teens, with some exceptions, are not.
Well, since society has seen fit to stop that practice, and indeed now imprisons people who have sex with people who once were seen as old enough to wed, I’d say yes. To both.
Am not familiar with the study of which you speak, but it remains an indisputable fact that if condoms were used for every sexual encounter in Africa that wasn’t specifically intended to create a child, the AIDS infection rate would plummet. That’s not debatable, it’s cold hard fact.
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St_Francis
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Oh, right! Adults are so mature about their sex lives… and how many mature adults abandon their families for other members of their sex lives? Real mature, that is. And how many adults are hooked on pornography? And how many adults handle their multiple realtionships so well that they get STDs?
The point is, human beings do not have the capacity to carry on this way for very long. Moments of fleeting sexual pleasure are ulimtately unsatisfactory, and those who fall for the idea that they should be stretch the boundaries of their behavior out in search of the illusory satisfaction, breaking up hearts and familes in the process.
Whatever…
Since the real reason that people stopped marrying so young was that more and more restricitions were put on their becoming self-sufficient in order to keep the labor pool smaller for adults, I would say that you are wrong there. What, do you think we are the only society with any sense? Any ability to think? No. For most of human history, there have been children and adults, and adults married when they were able to support themselves. it is only in this day and age that we have teenagers, adolescents, who are physically mature, mentally mature, but restricted from taking on a mature role in society.
People of any age having sex outside of marriage is wrong, and has been considered so by the vast majority of humanity throughout history. Do you think that only people over 18 or 21 can “take advantage” of a teenager? Do you think that only people under 18 or 21 can be taken advantage of?
And wouldn’t it be nice if we had the condom police out there making sure that every single non-procreative sexual encounter in Africe involved a condom… or, maybe more than one should be used in case one breaks… or maybe everyone who wants to have a non-procreative sexual encounter should get a PhD in putting condoms on bananas before being allowed by the condom police to even have a non-procreative sexual encounter, and of course, the condom police would have to check each condom before use to make sure its expiration date hadn’t passed, and that there were no holes, and that the latex was still strong…
The problem is that your solution is not a solution at all, because it is absolutely impossible to implement. A non-solution is not one we can put on the table.
We cannot have a stable society where contraceptives are accepted, and therefore the teaching of contraceptive use cannot be advocated in the government-funded schools, which was the original topic of this thread.
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Seeker2010
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This is relevant, how exactly? People do bad things? Newsflash, call the papers!
Seems to me we’ve been doing it for going on a good 50 years now, and it hasn’t led to the end of the world.
If you want to argue that 14 year olds should be fair game for sex, be my guest. I do not concur.
Why is that, exactly?
But look around you. Our society has had freely available contraception for decades, and seems to me we’re doing just fine. Oh, our economy is in the toilet, but I don’t think even you are prepared to argue that’s because of contraception.
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Well, I don’t think that you can say that adults are mature enough to handle sexual license more than teens are. At least teens are romantic and idealistic enough to strive for something more than attaining pleasure.
Twisting my words is really beneath what I have seen of you here so far.
Well, I won’t try to tie the economy in with the use of contraceptives, but I will repeat what I wrote on the other thread which shows that we really are not “doing just fine.”
There is a lot wrong not only with homosexual activity, but with the entire voluntarily-infertile sexual activity ethos arouund us. This has led to a lot of social breakdown. Can we honestly say that society is healthier now than it was a few decades ago? No. While we have made some improvements, most evident in the area of racial civil rights and some of the changes made for women, for the most part, every indicator shows massive amounts of unhappiness, from suicide rates to depression rates to prison rates to substance abuse rates to… … … We have more stuff, and even that was based on the lie of credit cards, that’s it. Despite the civil rights advancements, even the black community in the US is worse off than they were in the 40s and 50s.
I don’t think that you can say that we are “doing just fine” as a result of unfettered sexual activity.
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Seeker2010
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Well, I do think they are, but perhaps we’ll just have to agree to disagree. Don’t get me wrong, there are individual variations on what people can ‘handle’, and it’s a pretty wide brush, but in general adults are more emotionally grounded than teens. That’s true whether discussing sex or anything else, really
You’re right, and I apologize. That said, I don’t see what the fact that 14 year olds were once legally and morally considered old enough to wed really has to do with our discussion.
As for the rest of your post, I replied in the other thread, no sense having the same exact conversation in two different places.
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TheRealJuliane
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So over 50 million babies aborted since 1973 is A-OK with you? that figure alone should make people realize that something, many things, are deeply, deeply wrong with our society’s morals.
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Seeker2010
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Sorry, I don’t buy into the idea that an 8-celled zygote is yet a human being.
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elts1956
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If society, parents and the Church did their job, schools wouldn’t believe they have the right to teach about something which is none of their business. Parents wouldn’t allow it.
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elts1956
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What is it then? An 8 celled puppy?
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elts1956
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What are your sources for this reduction?
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TheRealJuliane
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You are right in a way, but there is a segment of our society that believes government has that authority and SHOULD have that authority. Sometimes people who believe in individual’s control of their lives, starting with God and working down, call this the “Nanny State,” because government takes over many aspects of the individual’s life, in the name of “security,” or “justice.”
Americans have allowed this segment of the population to grow over the last several decades, unfortunately. It’s going to take some real change to get things back to what this country was based on, which are Judeo-Christian principles and natural law.
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elts1956
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We, as a Christian Nation, have allowed secular forces to take over. Through our slumber of the past several decades, we have lost control of our government. It will take decades of our keeping ourselves aware as to what is happening before we can turn this society around.
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Seeker2010
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The Church has no business setting legal standards in a secular society. Sex-Ed is a valid educational subject.
Or are you supporting a Theocracy?
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Seeker2010
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No, it’s an 8-celled zygote. It has no brain, certainly no brain activity, no circulation, and no circulatory system. It may become human, but it’s not one yet.
Then again, my sperm may become human, but I have no problem spilling it.
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Seeker2010
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The CDC. You can look it up yourself, it’s really not that hard.
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elts1956
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I don’t think it is a valid “educational” subject. Is sex a moral issue, or only a legal one?
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