"All religions are equal so why should I still be Catholic?"

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Bestil, Thank you so much. Before I check out that podcast, I just want to include that we have to believe that Buddhists and Islamists, for example, must believe in the power of their prayers otherwise they wouldn’t do it as frequently as they do–think Buddhists monks and Islamists who kneel down and pray frequently throughout the day. MB
 
That is what Catholicism believes and teaches. Other faith traditions teach somewhat differently.
The Catholic Church has God and history on her side. Other religions can make the claim, but they have nothing to back it up with.

The key will be to open these things up to the young man, and give him access to the history of the Church and the words of Christ establishing the Catholic Church and the Pope in charge of it.

If he is willing to do some studying, The Faith of the Early Fathers by William Jurgens is an excellent starting place.
 
Bestil, Thank you so much. Before I check out that podcast, I just want to include that we have to believe that Buddhists and Islamists, for example, must believe in the power of their prayers otherwise they wouldn’t do it as frequently as they do–think Buddhists monks and Islamists who kneel down and pray frequently throughout the day. MB
It reminds me of the time - back in about 1980? - that Jerry Falwell proclaimed that ‘God does not hear the prayers of the Jews.’

Well, that didn’t go over well, and after great pressure, he reversed his statement.

Of COURSE prayers from every faith tradition are heard. You are good, ChasingHope, to mention Muslims who bow down and pray five times each and every day. They are probably a lot more beloved by God than many do not, shall we say, have such devotion.
 
Issel is a corruption of Islam and I have a name for issel-Cult-Thugery. There was a tribe that worship a coke bottle that fell from the sky when a plane overhead tossed it from the skies. You can call anything a religion if you so choose, but only the Catholic Church is authenic and can be traced back by oral and written history as God-given.

For some drinking is a religion, for others it may be drugs or practices of choice. But the term "religion can cover a lot of idealist thinking, but the real test is in the “Proof is in the Pudding.” The Catholic Church is the “icing on the cake” and the “cake” is the foundation.

Let your son wander, question, conclude. He will find the answer. No need to argue or get hyper. He has a Shepherd to guide him. Peace.
 
I was noteing that Issel is a corruption of Islam, not an indication that Islam was not a religion. Please forgive me for not clarifying that. Issel is the group that is giving everyone fits these days. Peace.
 
Oh please. Islam is a religion. Issel is a corruption of Islam. True followers of Islam ten to disavow Issel followers.
 
I’m looking for some decent counters to this argument. My son, who went through a big atheist phase a few years ago, warmed back up to Catholicism, then started getting swayed away again by a few friends, made a brief return but is now hitting me with this. I’ve read threads and articles about it, and listened to radio programs that addressed it, but those were all a while ago so I’m looking for a refresher.
“All religions are equal so why should I still be Catholic?”

Says who? A bunch of YouTube hipsters with no deeper insights than can be gleaned from some click-bait article on Gawker? Puh-leez!

If all religions are equal, you would expect all religions to teach similar values. But they don’t. Catholicism offers salvation. Islam centers on vengeance and wrath; don’t expect to find much forgiveness from this religion. Hinduism is about perfection through reincarnation; virtues like charity have nothing to do with the price of tea in China as far as Hinduism goes.

Similarly you’d expect all religions to have made equally worthwhile contributions to the world. But here again you’d be disappointed. The Catholic Church basically built western civilization.

Adherents of Islam murder people, rape women and use children as human shields. Even the peaceful Muslims (of which there are many) have little or no mercy or forgiveness in their hearts. Believers in Hinduism have no major social, musical, artistic, architectural, political or other achievements that totally transformed the world to speak of.

Assuming your son lives in the western hemisphere, virtually every aspect of his standard of living, health, education and career prospects go back to the Catholic Church either directly or indirectly.

Far from being identical, I struggle to find any similarities between Catholicism and the other major religions. He may ask how they’re different. You should answer by asking how they’re similar.

Above all, pray for his reversion.
 
Bestil, Thank you so much. Before I check out that podcast, I just want to include that we have to believe that Buddhists and Islamists, for example, must believe in the power of their prayers otherwise they wouldn’t do it as frequently as they do–think Buddhists monks and Islamists who kneel down and pray frequently throughout the day. MB
CH,

Yeah, I suppose no matter who prays to whom or what they must have some sort of a belief that their prayers will be heard/effective or they wouldn’t do it at all. (Maybe that is why some people do not pray at all.)

But that doesn’t translate into prayers being equally effective/answered for all people. I think the “effectiveness of prayer”, if you will, hinges on many things but not the least of which is whom/what is the prayer addressed to.

Prayer to the one, true God will be heard.

Prayer to a wooden idol believed to be a god, (though in reality it isn’t),…or anything that isn’t the one, true God…maybe not so much heard? So maybe not so much equally effective?
 
“The missionaries of the 16th century were convinced that the unbaptized person is lost forever,” Benedict said. “After the [Second Vatican] Council, this conviction was definitely abandoned. The result was a two-sided, deep crisis. Without this attentiveness to the salvation, the Faith loses its foundation.”
“Why should you try to convince the people to accept the Christian faith when they can be saved even without it?”
“[W]hy should the Christian be bound to the necessity of the Christian Faith and its morality?” he asked. “But if Faith and Salvation are not any more interdependent, even Faith becomes less motivating.”
Pope Benedict XVI
If all religions are truly equal, then there was truly no point in what the missionaries like, say, St. Francis Xavier, did.
 
All religions could only be equal if all are equally wrong.

It’s atheism in a nicer form.

Then again, I’d be first to admit that as a 12-year old, I went through the same point.

ICXC NIKA
I don’t really have time to respond right now but I did want to reply to this. I think that’s the point of a lot of the internet pundits. By equating them all and throwing atheism/paganism/etc. into the mix, they’re trying to discredit religion altogether. I don’t think my son is slipping back into atheism but I think he’s more rejecting organized religion and coming up with his own buffet-style, personalized “spirituality” that allows him to be the master of his own domain, so to speak. Not to rely on internet punditry myself, but I did see a meme the other day that had a quote along the lines of if you don’t follow God’s laws, then you’re trying to make yourself God. I think my son likes that idea because at the end of the day, if there’s no higher power than himself to answer to, he can feel good about whatever he chooses to do.
 
I don’t really have time to respond right now but I did want to reply to this. I think that’s the point of a lot of the internet pundits. By equating them all and throwing atheism/paganism/etc. into the mix, they’re trying to discredit religion altogether. I don’t think my son is slipping back into atheism but I think he’s more rejecting organized religion and coming up with his own buffet-style, personalized “spirituality” that allows him to be the master of his own domain, so to speak. Not to rely on internet punditry myself, but I did see a meme the other day that had a quote along the lines of if you don’t follow God’s laws, then you’re trying to make yourself God. I think my son likes that idea because at the end of the day, if there’s no higher power than himself to answer to, he can feel good about whatever he chooses to do.
You can’t be “spiritual” without the “ritual” at the end.
 
You can’t be “spiritual” without the “ritual” at the end.
Nice 🙂

I’m reminded of an otherwise nonmemorable film where a woman says that her male relationship ended for religious reasons: he thought he was God and she disagreed.

ICXC NIKA
 
Hi Everyone, New here. I’m sure this has been asked many times, but how do you answer an atheist who says that “prayer works equally well in all religions! Obviously all religions are not praying to God/Jesus/Holy Spirit, and yet their prayers are equally answered/or not answered.”

Thanks, ChasingHope
Obviously (I would think) an athesit is saying “all prayers are answered equally in all religions” meaning “no prayers are answered”. He/she is probably determined to point out that the probability of getting your request or petitionary prayer answered, like “god let me get over this illness” or whatever, has a certain probability-ratio which he/she will then refer to as “coincidence”. My personal veiw is that there is one Power, and it can be called by whatever Name you choose to give it, and “It” will “answer” according to how much energy and faith you put into your petition. Names are not something that exist in Trancendant Reality, but something we humans give to things as labels. A cat doesnt know, or care, that it is called a “cat” by humans; nor is a cat a creature constructed by putting the letters C, A, and T in that order. The idea that there is only “one true god” and it has to be the Catholic god and called by a particular name is just a matter of sectarian politics. It is an attempt by preists to control the Divine, like they have a monopoly on IT.
 
The Catholic Church basically built western civilization.

Adherents of Islam murder people, rape women and use children as human shields. Even the peaceful Muslims (of which there are many) have little or no mercy or forgiveness in their hearts. Believers in Hinduism have no major social, musical, artistic, architectural, political or other achievements that totally transformed the world to speak of.
Didn’t Islam build an Islamic civilization that stretched from Indonesia, India and Afghanistan all the way across North Africa to Spain?

And surely you’re not going to claim that adherents of Christianity never committed atrocities. During the Crusades, thousand of Jews were killed in Europe and some Jewish communities were virtually wiped out.

And what major musical, artistic, architectural or political achievements that transformed the world can be attributed to the Catholic Church? Also, haven’t you ever seen amazing Islamic architecture such as the Taj Mahal in India, the Great Mosque of Cordoba in Spain which got converted into a cathedral, the Alhambra in Spain? And did you know that Muslims were way ahead of Christian Europe during the Middle Ages in mathematics, astronomy, navigation and other fields of learning? The word Algebra comes from the Arabic word al-jabr ". Also, a consider amount of Greek learning was transmitted to Medieval Europe by way of the Muslims.
 
And surely you’re not going to claim that adherents of Christianity never committed atrocities. During the Crusades, thousand of Jews were killed in Europe and some Jewish communities were virtually wiped out.
Are you referring to the series of defensive wars Christendom waged ages ago to turn back an invasion of Islamic hordes? Yeah, I’m sure atrocities were committed. And my answer to that is that when you mess with the bull, you get the horns.
And what major musical, artistic, architectural or political achievements that transformed the world can be attributed to the Catholic Church?
You mean apart from religious chants, Renaissance art, beautiful cathedrals and a record for supporting human rights? If you broaden out beyond the Catholic Church as an institution to Catholic people the list gets larger. If you broaden out beyond Catholicism point blank and into other Christian traditions the list is even larger.

Bottom line? Christianity has no competition when it comes to improving the world, raising the standard of living and developing rich, thriving cultures wherever it lands.

Modern western society is Christian in origin if not always in confession. When those other religions have developed something to compete with the iPhone, let me know.
Also, haven’t you ever seen amazing Islamic architecture such as the Taj Mahal in India, the Great Mosque of Cordoba in Spain which got converted into a cathedral, the Alhambra in Spain? And did you know that Muslims were way ahead of Christian Europe during the Middle Ages in mathematics, astronomy, navigation and other fields of learning? The word Algebra comes from the Arabic word al-jabr ". Also, a consider amount of Greek learning was transmitted to Medieval Europe by way of the Muslims.
Bully for them. It should be said that a lot of that happened either before Islam, independently of Islam and at times even in spite of Islam. And I’m not saying Islam is entirely bad. It’s mostly bad but not entirely bad. Even a broken clock is right twice a day so it stands to reason the Muslims have made a few positive contributions here and there.

However, their measly two or three decent ideas pale in comparison to how Christianity has shaped, built and defined the West.
 
I’m looking for some decent counters to this argument. My son, who went through a big atheist phase a few years ago, warmed back up to Catholicism, then started getting swayed away again by a few friends, made a brief return but is now hitting me with this. I’ve read threads and articles about it, and listened to radio programs that addressed it, but those were all a while ago so I’m looking for a refresher.

Just some background info: This came up a few weeks ago, possibly during Holy Week. He asked about a few things that had gone on or were going on at our parish and when I was done telling him he started bringing up different religions he’d been watching Youtube videos about and wanted to know why he should stick with Catholicism since Buddhism, Russian Orthodox, Islam and something else (I can’t remember which he said) are just as valid and teach good things. One of his main goals that day was to get under my skin and he’d been excelling at it so I think my response was, “Quit being such an idiot!” We may be going out again this week and he said he wanted to talk about it again so I’m looking for some better, more level-headed arguments to use with him.

As far as he goes, like a lot of people his age, if anything, Youtube is his religion. He’s yet to find a Youtube video he doesn’t believe, to the point that he doesn’t go to the doctor–he goes to Youtube. The bulk of his arguments are easily-trounced, relativistic platitudes, but I don’t have time to re-read a book or anything in the next few days so just some high-level points should help.
Clearly, all religions are NOT equal, unless your son wants to say that these religions are equally promoting truths?

The (late) Rev. Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church
http://forums.catholic-questions.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=20111&d=1402435697

These folks believe that the Bible tells them to eat grass to prove their devotion
http://www.goweirdfacts.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/initpintu_副本32.jpg

Clearly, not all religions are equal.
 
Thorolfr #39
During the Crusades, thousand of Jews were killed in Europe and some Jewish communities were virtually wiped out.
Face reality --some three thousand Jews converted, as St Peter testifies to the divinity of Jesus by His Resurrection. The Catholic Church has never taught the persecution of anyone, much less Jews.

“Slavery ended in medieval Europe only because the Church extended its sacraments to all slaves and then managed to impose a ban on the enslavement of Christians (and of Jews)." The Victory of Reason, Rodney Stark, Random House, 2005, p 28]. Rodney Stark is not even a Catholic.

Facing reality is necessary and worthwhile:
“St. Bernard spoke strongly against persecution of Jews. See the documentation of this fact in my volume THE GLORY OF CHRISTENDOM.” [Answer by Dr. William Carroll on 08-30-2001, (EWTN)].

Answer by Dr. William Carroll on 05-20-2002 (EWTN):
The Inquisition had no jurisdiction over Jews, only Christians. The Church never officially called for the persecution of Jews. - Dr. Carroll
tinyurl.com/o7dvxjk

In *First Things *(November 1997), Harvard Law Professor Mary Ann Glendon wrote of St John Paul II that “the Pope himself has acknowledged the mistakes and sins of Christians in connection with, among other things, the Crusades, the Inquisition, persecution of the Jews, religious wars, Galileo, and the treatment of women. **Thus, though the Pope himself is careful to speak of sin or error on the part of the Church’s members or representatives, rather than the Church in its fullness, that important theological distinction is almost always lost in the transmission.” **[My emphasis].

The Crusades were legitimate defence against Muslim invaders. As Dr Warren Carroll confirms in his History of Christendom Vol. 3, The Glory of Christendom, Chapter 9, due to the ravages of the “Teutonic Knights”… “**misnamed crusaders **(who) converted several thousand of the pagan people to Christianity by force.” (p 377). [My emphasis].

The reality is that the major thrust of the Crusades was in overcoming the evils of Muslim conquerors who initiated wars against other peoples.
 
Thorolfr #39
And what major musical, artistic, architectural or political achievements that transformed the world can be attributed to the Catholic Church?
Father John McCloskey, reviewing *How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization *by Thomas E. Woods Jr. - published by Regnery Publishing, 2005, writes:
**“Woods notes, ‘Western civilization stands indebted to the Church for the university system, charitable work, international law, the sciences, and, important legal principles. … Western civilization owes far more to the Catholic Church than most people — Catholic included — often realize. … The Church, in fact, built Western civilization.’ ” **[My emphasis].

With all of the facts available, and readily accessible, the refusal to face the reality betrays a simplistic and inherent bias against that reality. Even many scientists just don’t know the debt that the world owes to the Catholics who have discovered and developed science.

But, in Science and Creation Father Stanley Jaki lists seven great cultures in which science suffered a “stillbirth” – Arabic, Babylonian, Chinese, Egyptian, Greek, Hindu, and Maya – they did not have the Catholic conception of the divine. Fr Jaki emphasises that “nature had to be de-animized” for science to be born. (Creation and Scientific Creativity, Paul Haffner, Christendom Press, 1991, p 41). “During the twelfth century in Latin Europe those aspects of Judeo-Christian thought which emphasized the idea of creation out of nothing and the distance between God and the world, in certain contexts and with certain men, had the effect of eliminating all semi-divine entities from the realm of nature.” (How The Catholic Church Built Western Civilization, Dr Thomas E Woods, Regnery, 2005, p 93).

“From Ockham through Copernicus, the development of the heliocentric model of the solar system was the product of the universities — that most Christian invention. From the start, the medieval Christian university was a place created and run by scholars devoted entirely to knowledge. The autonomy of individual faculty members was carefully guarded. Since all instruction was in Latin, scholars were able to move about without regard for linguistic boundaries, and because their degrees were mutually recognized, they were qualified to join any faculty. It was in these universities that European Christians began to establish science. And it was in these same universities, not later in the salons of philosophes or Renaissance men, that the classics were restored to intellectual importance. The translations from Greek into Latin were accomplished by exceedingly pious Christian scholars.

“It was the Christian scholastics, not the Greeks, Romans, Muslims, or Chinese, who built up the field of physiology based on human dissections. Once again, hardly anyone knows the truth about dissection and the medieval Church. Human dissection was not permitted in the classical world (“the dignity of the human body” forbade it), which is why Greco-Roman works on anatomy are so faulty. Aristotle’s studies were limited entirely to animal dissections, as were those of Celsius and Galen. Human dissection also was prohibited in Islam.

“With the Christian universities came a new outlook on dissection. The starting assumption was that what is unique to humans is a soul, not a physiology. Dissections of the human body, therefore, have no theological implications.
catholicleague.org/resear…nd_science.htm
*Catholicism and Science *by Rodney Stark (from Catalyst 9/2004)].

The twin pillars of Faith and Reason (Fides et Ratio, St John Paul II) will always result in the best science – directed to the discovery of God’s laws and based on His natural moral law as to ends and means – with which Christ’s Church alone is fully equipped by Him to guide.

Everyone who knows the history of science sees the blindness so starkly in evidence.

Your misconceptions and falsehoods seem endless.
 
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